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Can Racists be Good People?

Are racists good people?


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On the heels of reading how it's just totally ok and no big deal to accuse people of racism because, hey, it doesn't mean you're a bad person if you are, I'm wondering if most people agree. Are racists good people?

Need a minute to get the poll up.

Depends, if the racists/bigots/xenophobes were Southern Democrats from 70 years ago, they're bad. If the racists/bigots/xenophobes are modern Southern Republicans, they just have a different opinion.
 
I think there are generally 2 forms of racists: those who are ignorant on race and thus dislike what they don't understand or those who are genuinely hateful. The former are usually good people, although misguided. The latter are generally not so good people who tend to be motivated by hate and a self image of supremacy.
 
only to their own people,IMO

It's funny, I started this poll and I don't even know how to vote in it. On one hand, my tendency is to reject an overall judgment that having racist tendencies means someone is incapable of being good in any other respect but I sure understand how some people say that one trait is enough to define who you are.
 
Believe what you want to believe, I have no use for racists and won't associate with them.

I'm talking about Nazis and those who would like to see the South re-fight and win the Civil War

I could say a lot more, but that should tell you how I feel about racists. :roll:

what if a person is a racist, and displays that racism by only disassociation.....with other races.
 
It's funny, I started this poll and I don't even know how to vote in it. On one hand, my tendency is to reject an overall judgment that having racist tendencies means someone is incapable of being good in any other respect but I sure understand how some people say that one trait is enough to define who you are.

cotton ,hating the others because they are diffferent is really enough
 
On the heels of reading how it's just totally ok and no big deal to accuse people of racism because, hey, it doesn't mean you're a bad person if you are, I'm wondering if most people agree. Are racists good people?

Need a minute to get the poll up.

My mother was a very, very good person. I never saw her act mean towards anyone at all. But she was racist. When I brought my Asian wife home to meet her (at our family home in the Mississippi Delta), she pulled me off to one side and said, "I wish you'd married a black girl!" But 'black' wasn't the word she used.

My mother was what I call a "good racist"...meaning that they would never hurt the person of that other race (and the same thing goes for any prejudice, whether ethnic, religious, whatever...it's all works the same way)...but as soon as the person of that other race was out of earshot, out would come all the old racist assumptions and generalizations.

It's so sad - I love the MS Delta, the land, the weather, the food (oh, man, the food!), and my whole family's all in a small cemetery there all the way back to the 1870's...but I will never live there again. And the one reason I will never live there again is that I can't stand the racism I see and hear there every day from my fellow whites. And they're almost all 'good racists', meaning that they'd risk their lives in a heartbeat to save a black man in danger...but again, once that black man's out of earshot...you get the idea.
 
On the heels of reading how it's just totally ok and no big deal to accuse people of racism because, hey, it doesn't mean you're a bad person if you are, I'm wondering if most people agree. Are racists good people?

Need a minute to get the poll up.



Depends on how severe it is, whether it is active or passive, whether it is just one small aspect of the person or is it an obsession that dominates their life.


Passive would be "I don't trust (race), they're liars and thieves."

Active would be someone whose racism causes them to act against persons of that race without any reason other than their racism. That's worse.
 
I think there are generally 2 forms of racists: those who are ignorant on race and thus dislike what they don't understand or those who are genuinely hateful. The former are usually good people, although misguided. The latter are generally not so good people who tend to be motivated by hate and a self image of supremacy.


I'd say three forms. The third form is those who have had some bad experiences with X race and generalized their experience as "a problem with that RACE" rather than just some people in it...



These folks are not bad people, they just overgeneralize.
 
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Depends, if the racists/bigots/xenophobes were Southern Democrats from 70 years ago, they're bad. If the racists/bigots/xenophobes are modern Southern Republicans, they just have a different opinion.

Having grown up as a strongly-conservative white male in a 71%-black county in the MS Delta, I had to laugh. My (racist) family was more than a little ashamed to hear that I was no longer a strong conservative but a (gasp!) far-left liberal who even voted for Obama twice!

Most people really have no idea just how accurate your observation is.
 
Depends, if the racists/bigots/xenophobes were Southern Democrats from 70 years ago, they're bad. If the racists/bigots/xenophobes are modern Southern Republicans, they just have a different opinion.

Here's where I have to acknowledge that my question is vague by not defining "racist" given that using the term "black cloud" and "black hole" in a talking graduation card is blatant racism (because after all, it might be saying "black ho", you know how Hallmark is).
 
My step grandfather is unbelievably racist, I once dated an Asian girl and he told me not to "mix with those people" because "they're not like us".

So I ended up marrying Japanese.

And you wouldn't want to hear what he has to say about blacks.

He's still a good guy, was a volunteer fire fighter etc.

Just one aspect of him.

I had very much the same kind of experience - see reply #56.
 
On the heels of reading how it's just totally ok and no big deal to accuse people of racism because, hey, it doesn't mean you're a bad person if you are, I'm wondering if most people agree. Are racists good people?

Need a minute to get the poll up.

And one more observation - most racists really don't realize that they are racist. My whole family was racist...but we would all have denied being racist at all.
 
And one more observation - most racists really don't realize that they are racist. My whole family was racist...but we would all have denied being racist at all.


i don't worry about people being racist,... its a right.

i just choose to disassociate with those kind of people, and move along....and i don't lost a night's sleep over it.
 
And one more observation - most racists really don't realize that they are racist. My whole family was racist...but we would all have denied being racist at all.

Yeah, but who don't you think is racist? People aren't racist simply because you say they are or because they hold a different political lean than you.

That's just more of a PSA, I don't expect you to concede or understand that.
 
Depends. Simply being a racist does not automatically make you a bad person. The problem you'll run into is that severe racism can often manifest itself in bad ways. Take the KKK for example. Or the Nazis.

I am just curious. Why didn't you mention the New Black Panther Party along with the Democrat KKK and the Nazi's?
 
I don't think that the racist on MSNBC are good people. But then again MSNBC is nothing but a 24/7 Hate-A-Thon.
 
I am just curious. Why didn't you mention the New Black Panther Party along with the Democrat KKK and the Nazi's?

The current definition of racism used by some people on the left preclude guilt by anyone other than whites, at least in the US (not saying that about TeleKat, just something I've observed).
 
Here's where I have to acknowledge that my question is vague by not defining "racist" given that using the term "black cloud" and "black hole" in a talking graduation card is blatant racism (because after all, it might be saying "black ho", you know how Hallmark is).

You act as if the right wing has no interest in these manufactured scandals. However the right wing does. They allow right wingers to point at fake racism as opposed to real racism without ever really having to define the implications of either. It's kind of like Rush Limbaugh slut comments to Sandra Fluke overshadowed the larger argument being made by her that women's reproductive rights are under constant threat by a socially conservative establishment. From the moment it started, Rush Limbaugh knew it would draw attention away her larger arguments and would have people focus on what he wanted them to focus on. By making the discussion about his manufactured sexism, he could point at "real sexism" which is how white protestant men get attacked for denigrating women on TV.

Similarly, the 'black hole' incident in retrospect was manufactured. It was manufactured because the supposedly left wing media has no interest in discussing racism anymore than the right wing media does. These perpetual discussions on petty racial incidents avoid what the larger discussion on race in America. They also overshadow the fact that black men receive harsher sentencing than their white counterparts, the fact that states have established laws affecting racial minorities and violating their civil rights Stop & Frisk, and the fact that anti-drug legislation is crafted in such a way that some drugs are subjectively judged worse than others (ie. crack cocaine, used primarily by low income minorities, is treated far harsher in court than cocaine, used primarily by middle class whites).

If the right wing media focuses on smaller incidents of racial confrontation, it can avoid having to discuss the way its support for institutional racism has affected minorities. So whereas for one media, the interest in discussing these issues superficially is mostly economic, for the other, it tends to be ideological. These positions switch depending on the issue but the rule of thumb is still the same. If one side wants to discuss the issue because it affects its ideology, the other covers it because it's good for its pockets. In the end, the discussion avoids the larger issue.
 
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And one more observation - most racists really don't realize that they are racist. My whole family was racist...but we would all have denied being racist at all.

Finally, a progressive who admits he is racist.
 
Yeah, but who don't you think is racist? People aren't racist simply because you say they are or because they hold a different political lean than you.

That's just more of a PSA, I don't expect you to concede or understand that.

You should learn not to assume.

All humans (including myself) are racist at least to some extent. The difference is that many of us have learned that it is wrong, and we try our best to fight it whenever we see it...including when we see it in ourselves.

This isn't something I'm making up in order to answer your frankly snarky reply. I've said the same thing for years - as you can see in this article I wrote just over five years ago.
 
Finally, a progressive who admits he is racist.

But what do you do to fight the racism you see - in those of your own race, among your own friends and family, and in yourself?

That's what sets people like me apart from the kind of people I grew up with...we see the problem, admit that there is a problem, and we try to do something about it. Unfortunately, there's so many conservatives I've known over the years who refuse to admit that there's any problem with it at all.
 
The current definition of racism used by some people on the left preclude guilt by anyone other than whites, at least in the US (not saying that about TeleKat, just something I've observed).

Yes, a racist can be of any color, creed, etc. But what we have seen during the Obama administration is the expansion of the definition to include anyone who ever disagrees with one of his policies. Because of that, the term racist has lost a lot of its original meaning, its evil connotation. I could disagree with Bill Clinton when he was president, it was then a difference in political ideology, a policy difference. But when I disagree with Obama on the same issue/policy, all of a sudden I become a racist.

That is not progress, one must realize when it comes to politics, people are going to have different ideologies and look at things different. Just because the president happens to be black, does not make a disagreement on policy racist. Most racist are easy to see and on DP, their posts clearly points that out. But automatically calling someone a racist over a political policy disagreement is asinine. In my opinion anyway.
 
i don't worry about people being racist,... its a right.

i just choose to disassociate with those kind of people, and move along....and i don't lost a night's sleep over it.

Says the guy with the name of another guy in the Nazi party's armed wing. :lol:
 
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