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2016 Republican Presidential Primary (2nd Poll, this time multiple choice)

2016 Republican Presidential Primary (Pick as many as you want)

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ModerateGOP said:
As my username describes me. Just from glancing at the guy, I actually do like him. He could be perfect for me if he flipped a few of his beliefs. If I had to vote Democrat, I would vote for him probably. He looks like he is the Jon Huntsman of the Democrat Party, at this point. But yeah, I'm already seeing a lot of excitement around the guy online. Would he work with Republicans like Bill Clinton did?

That's the key to a great President. Plus you gotta have the Charisma. I don't see that in Hillary. Remember you have to follow Obama-mania!
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Here is an interesting read on Webb:

Jim Webb Would Make A Good Anti-Clinton In 2016 | FiveThirtyEight

Webb was Secretary of the Navy under Reagan, I think he can work with the GOP. He wouldn't paint them as demons as he has been around. U.S. Senator from 2007-2012 plus as I stated his service under Reagan. He is a Vietnam Vet and graduate of the Naval Academy.

I personally believe Webb knows when to play hardball and when to cooperate and compromise.
 
Perotista said:
Here is an interesting read on Webb:

Jim Webb Would Make A Good Anti-Clinton In 2016 | FiveThirtyEight

Webb was Secretary of the Navy under Reagan, I think he can work with the GOP. He wouldn't paint them as demons as he has been around. U.S. Senator from 2007-2012 plus as I stated his service under Reagan. He is a Vietnam Vet and graduate of the Naval Academy.

I personally believe Webb knows when to play hardball and when to cooperate and compromise.
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Yup I was reading that article earlier. I saw the excitement there.
 
AGENT J said:
i cant see JEB winning america based on last name alone lol

and again this is about the current state of america, with his stances on abortion, civil rights and grey stance on equal rights I dont see it.

now of course like you its pure speculation but in 2016 i think it will be impossible for any candidate to win if they make pro-life/anti-choice and or anti-equal rights for gays in thier "running platform"
they cant run on those issues because it will add up to a lose. But they could do enough dancing and not run on those issues and fair much better
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Sincerely, not everyone is as jazzed about abortion as you are. Most people have reservations about it. Oh and referring to pro life as "anti choice" is a giant tell about where you're coming from, not that is in any way surprising to me, but you like to claim you're some sort of centrist on the issue and you're not.
 
ModerateGOP said:
Yup I was reading that article earlier. I saw the excitement there.
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As Mr. Spock would say, "There are always possibilities." We will just have to wait and see how things play out. It is intriguing.
 
There is no question the GOP has some good candidates capable of taking down "The wicked witch of the west."
 
The GOP needs to be sensitive to the electoral college.

The best they can hope for is a close race a la 2000 Bush v. Gore.

In that year, Florida was the major swing-state.

The Red-Blue state map in 2016 could likely look the same way:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/ElectoralCollege2000-Large-BushRed-GoreBlue.png

But, the GOP will need someone to grab Florida for sure, and maybe, just maybe, grab Pennsylvania too.

So, who on the poll list of this thread can do that?

No TPer can take Florida.

No lightweight could beat Monica Lewinsky's impeached ex-boyfriend's wife .. or even that other woman.

The GOP will need a heavyweight that can win the electoral college race.

Who is that?

Who on the list is that person?

Jeb Bush is really the only one, with the right VP running mate.

The problem with Bush is his "voiced" amnesty position on illegal aliens -- he's definitely a CGE (Corporate Global Expansionist) and so he favors amnesty and legalization to keep business costs down, even if wage scales plummet and American workers take it hard on the chin.

One can only hope he'd come to his senses once elected.

But, unless anyone can put together a complete analysis of who can win the electoral college against any of the liberal Democrat novelty candidates, picking a candidate by ideological appeal is futile, and will likely just result in a repeat of 2008.
 
Tothian said:
Sarah Palin would win if she ran against Hillary Clinton.
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In a televised debate between these two, it would not matter which pundits thought who won.

What would matter is who comes off looking the most Presidentially smart to the viewing voting audience.

That would, obviously, be Clinton.

Nobody wants a dumb-bunny in the White House .. well, if they can help it .. and her ignorant behavior in 2008 and thereafter simply did her in.

Besides, Sarah Palin looks too much like Tina Fey so people would already be expecting to laugh at her from the get-go.

She's toast and she knows it.
 
The Mark said:
I do not want to discuss this until at the very least late 2015
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Alright. That's up to you.

But for the rest of us, I feel it's important to discuss this now, to find the best candidates who we agree with and who are the most experienced and best qualified to run for President.
 
Perotista said:
Here is an interesting read on Webb:

Jim Webb Would Make A Good Anti-Clinton In 2016 | FiveThirtyEight

Webb was Secretary of the Navy under Reagan, I think he can work with the GOP. He wouldn't paint them as demons as he has been around. U.S. Senator from 2007-2012 plus as I stated his service under Reagan. He is a Vietnam Vet and graduate of the Naval Academy.

I personally believe Webb knows when to play hardball and when to cooperate and compromise.
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I don't know much about Webb in his policies as a Senator (he was a Senator until 2013, when Senator-elect Tim Kaine was sworn in), but it was cool that he was Navy Secretary under Reagan.

I think it's cool he served in the Marines too. No U.S. President was ever in the Marines. I don't think any Vice President was, neither.
 
Ontologuy said:
The GOP needs to be sensitive to the electoral college.

The best they can hope for is a close race a la 2000 Bush v. Gore.

In that year, Florida was the major swing-state.

The Red-Blue state map in 2016 could likely look the same way:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/ElectoralCollege2000-Large-BushRed-GoreBlue.png

But, the GOP will need someone to grab Florida for sure, and maybe, just maybe, grab Pennsylvania too.

So, who on the poll list of this thread can do that?

No TPer can take Florida.

No lightweight could beat Monica Lewinsky's impeached ex-boyfriend's wife .. or even that other woman.

The GOP will need a heavyweight that can win the electoral college race.

Who is that?

Who on the list is that person?

Jeb Bush is really the only one, with the right VP running mate.

The problem with Bush is his "voiced" amnesty position on illegal aliens -- he's definitely a CGE (Corporate Global Expansionist) and so he favors amnesty and legalization to keep business costs down, even if wage scales plummet and American workers take it hard on the chin.

One can only hope he'd come to his senses once elected.

But, unless anyone can put together a complete analysis of who can win the electoral college against any of the liberal Democrat novelty candidates, picking a candidate by ideological appeal is futile, and will likely just result in a repeat of 2008.
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I REFUSE to believe, especially after 2014 midterms, that this is turning into a liberal America that will just destroy itself with these failed policies. And that was just have to sit quietly and accept that?! NO!

Jeb Bush is a moderate and he won't inspire conservatives to get out and vote. There's really not much of a difference between the Bushes or Clintons. All that was different were the times.

I really think any of the GOP candidates can beat Hillary. The media might be nice to her now but they DO that, they BUILD UP potential candidates, then once they announce, they take them down. People are bored of Hillary, they are frustrated with Obama, they need Ted Cruz - he has all the right ideas for America and America needs to see that.

As for Tea Party not winning Florida? They won the Governor and Senate races in 2010. They won Governor race in 2014. I don't know if the GOP Senate candidate was a moderate or not that year.

The Tea Party has all the right ideas for America. NOT Liberals. NO, NOT EVEN the Moderates/Centrists.
 
The Republicans will be hard-pressed to win the White House in 2016.

Most states are a forgone conclusion.

Colorado is now too socially liberal to go Republican anymore.

So in addition to their traditional red states, the Republicans will have to get the recent swing states of Indiana, Ohio, Virgina, North Carolina, and, of course, Florida.

But, with Colorado now going Democrat .. even that's not enough to win the Presidency. :shock:

The Republicans will also need one of the only long-shot likely states of either Pennsylvania or Michigan.

Again, who can they field who will win this many states?

Pennsylvania still remembers the Civil War, and a southern candidate simply won't carry PA in the current environment.

The Republicans better think really hard about who they can run against either novelty candidate (Clinton or Warren), as either woman will likely take Michigan .. unless they think Detroit-Lansing won't tolerate a woman in the White House, which might be a critical mistake, unless Obmanesty alienates them sufficiently.

But, can either she take PA? Normally, the answer is yes .. so the Republicans will really have to battle hard in PA.

And, don't forget Florida -- without Florida, the other battleground states are meaningless.

So who do the Republicans have who can take Florida and Pennsylvania?

Who?

It really looks like the Republicans are toast already in 2016.
 
Tothian said:
Sure!

1- Defending gun rights
2- Defending the life and rights of the unborn.
3- Repeal Obamacare
4- Lower taxes with reduced spending, balancing budget and helping economic growth.

I gave you 4.
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great, got a link to an official policy platform listing that?
or, is that simply you opinion?
 
Ontologuy said:
The Republicans will be hard-pressed to win the White House in 2016.

Most states are a forgone conclusion.

Colorado is now too socially liberal to go Republican anymore.

So in addition to their traditional red states, the Republicans will have to get the recent swing states of Indiana, Ohio, Virgina, North Carolina, and, of course, Florida.

But, with Colorado now going Democrat .. even that's not enough to win the Presidency. :shock:

The Republicans will also need one of the only long-shot likely states of either Pennsylvania or Michigan.

Again, who can they field who will win this many states?

Pennsylvania still remembers the Civil War, and a southern candidate simply won't carry PA in the current environment.

The Republicans better think really hard about who they can run against either novelty candidate (Clinton or Warren), as either woman will likely take Michigan .. unless they think Detroit-Lansing won't tolerate a woman in the White House, which might be a critical mistake, unless Obmanesty alienates them sufficiently.

But, can either she take PA? Normally, the answer is yes .. so the Republicans will really have to battle hard in PA.

And, don't forget Florida -- without Florida, the other battleground states are meaningless.

So who do the Republicans have who can take Florida and Pennsylvania?

Who?

It really looks like the Republicans are toast already in 2016.
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Colorado can go either way. They re-elected a Democratic Governor, and elected a Republican Senator.

Virginia will be harder, but depends how Terry McAuliffe does as Governor.

And no it won't be a mistake to vote against Clinton or Warren. Both of those women would make horrible candidates.

Sarah Palin would make a great President. I don't know too much about Mary Fallin the Oklahoma Governor just elected in 2010 and re-elected in 2014, I think she was previously a Lieutenant Governor, then Congresswoman, then Governor. But the little I've heard about her is good.

Stop thinking the Republicans are toast in 2016. America can't be lost yet. 2014 indicated that America is tired of the failed liberal policies which is destroying America.

Only the Tea Party has the right ideas.
 
SlevinKelevra said:
great, got a link to an official policy platform listing that?
or, is that simply you opinion?
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My opinions are aligned with the Tea Party. You asked for 3 things, I gave you 4.

The Tea Party has better ideas for America, and that's definitely not just an opinion, but proven facts that the lying evil liberal media doesn't want you to know.
 
Tothian said:
My opinions are aligned with the Tea Party. You asked for 3 things, I gave you 4.

The Tea Party has better ideas for America, and that's definitely not just an opinion, but proven facts that the lying evil liberal media doesn't want you to know.
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so the lying evil liberal media has prevented the tea PARTY from publishing an official policy platform?

fascinating.
 
Tothian said:
Sarah Palin would make a great President.
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In what respect, Tothian?
 
Tothian said:
Colorado can go either way. They re-elected a Democratic Governor, and elected a Republican Senator.

Virginia will be harder, but depends how Terry McAuliffe does as Governor.

And no it won't be a mistake to vote against Clinton or Warren. Both of those women would make horrible candidates.

Sarah Palin would make a great President. I don't know too much about Mary Fallin the Oklahoma Governor just elected in 2010 and re-elected in 2014, I think she was previously a Lieutenant Governor, then Congresswoman, then Governor. But the little I've heard about her is good.

Stop thinking the Republicans are toast in 2016. America can't be lost yet. 2014 indicated that America is tired of the failed liberal policies which is destroying America.

Only the Tea Party has the right ideas.
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It's better to be electoral vote penny wise now than to get pounded so foolishly in 2016. (Okay, that sucked -- sorry. :3oops:)

Facing facts and reacting accordingly now might allow a pooling of funding resources sufficient to perhaps take the swing states ..

.. But the wrong candidate -- and I'm telling you, Palin's as wrong as it gets -- and it's curtains from the get-go.

The candidate the Republicans field must take the swing-states of Florida, Indiana, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina .. and then another fairly large one like Michigan or Pennsylvania.

That's a formidable task.

Who is it that can do that?

It could be easy to win the popular vote .. and still lose the White House.

The winning candidate must win the most state electoral votes, as arbitrarily weird as the electoral college seems to many.

We're the United STATES of America, and that can't be discounted.

So, who is that candidate?

I'm not sure he's on this thread-poll's short list.

It will be hard to convince enough Americans in the swing states to come out to the booths if you're tea-partyingly asking them to be libertarianesque left-wing on social issues and right-wing on fiscal-economic issues, as these people who might vote for a Republican candidate are social conservatives or moderate right, not socially liberal.

Despite the fact I'd rather not see a liberal Democrat in the White House again, the electoral college simply is what it is.

To win MI, PA, and FL, you have to win Lansing, Detroit, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Miami and Orlando .. and more.

What Republican candidate can do all that???

The electoral college by its current nature makes the Democrats the favorite even before they field this or that novelty candidate.

The electoral college must be respected from the onset of selecting a viable Republican candidate and running mate ..

.. Or you might as well simply hand it to Monica Lewinsky's impeached ex-boyfriend's wife.
 
Imo, anyone who thinks whomever is elected (from the bunch listed above) in 2016 will actually NOT do more harm then good for America is incredibly naive.

I believe, given the state of federal politics and the general ignorance of the American voter, that it is virtually impossible for truly fine leaders to rise to the White House. Heck, even decent ones cannot get in.

And so long as the public shrugs their shoulders and votes for mediocrity (at best) anyway...then they have NO ONE blame but themslves.

I believe, that to vote for a politician you believe to be incompetent but you do so simply because they are the 'best available' is unpatriotic.
And I also believe that to refuse to vote for lousy politician's even if that means not voting at all IS patriotic.
 
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