Is Obama righting Laws or is he doing the same thing as Bush and Reagan?
Is Obama righting Laws or is he doing the same thing as Bush and Reagan?
Is Obama righting Laws or is he doing the same thing as Bush and Reagan?
Is Obama righting Laws or is he doing the same thing as Bush and Reagan?
Without a doubt its perfectly perfectly legal.
I don't know. The way I understand Congress passed the law that Reagan signed and Bush's expanded congressional intent. Obama's apparently is in defiance of congressional intent. SO they are not the same as under each president the situations and circumstance were different.
I will just wait until the President does whatever he does to determine whether I will support him, oppose him or be indifferent to the entire mess.
My understanding is that Reagan and Bush worked with congress to correct flaws which adversely affected families that were granted amnesty by congress in 1986. Obama has never worked with congress. He's a terrible president.
Has he made the announcement yet? Have the details been released?
I guess I missed that if he has.
I disagree with the very principle of what is proposed but disagreeing is one thing and illegal is quite another. Let me see the details and then I'll let you know if I think it's illegal.
Has he made the announcement yet? Have the details been released?
I guess I missed that if he has.
I disagree with the very principle of what is proposed but disagreeing is one thing and illegal is quite another. Let me see the details and then I'll let you know if I think it's illegal.
Who cares?
Legal or not, he (and whomever takes over after him) will leave the country worse then when they started. And the fault lies entirely with the voters - no one else.
American voters are arrogant and generally ignorant...a horrible combination. They (as a whole) don't understand politics, the world or macroeconomics. And ever since 9/11, they have (again, as a whole) turned into cowards - spineless ignoramuses who believe they are neither.
All empires end...the Sun is starting to set on this one.
But while presidents unquestionably have the power to exercise immigration enforcement discretion in order to further foreign policy or humanitarian goals, what they do not have the power to do is functionally rewrite U.S. immigration law, which is exactly what Obama's impending executive action on immigration would do.
The past incidents listed above were all in response to specific humanitarian crises or foreign policy events. They all were narrowly tailored to help specific subsets of immigrants. Obama's impending executive action is the exact opposite. He is planning on giving work permits, Social Security numbers, and drivers licenses to as many as 8 million illegal immigrants. This is not narrow humanitarian relief. This is a flagrant attempt to get around Congress's exclusive Article I power "to establish a uniform rule of naturalization."
Obama is the first president in the history of the United States to abuse his executive prosecutorial discretion powers in this manner. Because no president has abused this power on this scale before, there is no case law that details the scope of a president's prosecutorial discretion. But just because the case law isn't there yet, doesn't mean there are no limits to Obama's power......snip~
The Official White House Talking Points for Obama's Amnesty - Conn Carroll
I heard all this same **** back in the 60s, and it was old then. The fading is taking a long ****ing time...
Clown Hall is calling it amnesty; they're full of ****.
Deportation is the fundamental punishment for illegal aliens, even without considering restitution they need to make for their crimes, and the imprisonment they deserve (which we're incapable of so we just send them back).Clown Hall is calling it amnesty; they're full of ****.
I am not responsible for what you heard in the 60's. Up until about '01 (before 9/11), I thought America had a generally bright future.
If you want to believe America is on the right path, go ahead.
Is Obama righting Laws or is he doing the same thing as Bush and Reagan?
Has he made the announcement yet? Have the details been released?
I guess I missed that if he has.
I disagree with the very principle of what is proposed but disagreeing is one thing and illegal is quite another. Let me see the details and then I'll let you know if I think it's illegal.
That is kinda one of my two points I was trying to subtly make. No executive order was specified, and since the one on immigration that is so a source of conversation has not been made yet, it is impossible to judge it's lawfulness.
Didn't a Senior WH Official Leak BO's 10 step plan a few days ago?
http://www.debatepolitics.com/immig...0-point-immigration-plan-via-exec-action.html
Leak?
Right.
That is the sure way to ensure maximum exposure without too much examination of the content. It starts the discussion and ensures there will be not just coverage, but that the coverage cycle is long and shallow. The inverse is "garbage Friday" where all the bad news is dealt with through a late Friday afternoon "take out the trash" series of press releases.
By making it appear like a leak, even the negative outlets jump on it, and in the US it also ensures the right will over react, which is what they need to get it done. If the opposition can be dismissed as "right wing fanatics" they have free reign of the rink with your goalie on the bench.
And, as we have seen with the horsepower these people can launch, all it takes is one idiot in the past ten years and they get one between the pipes.
This is what I would call "advance lying" to see what works
Deportation is the fundamental punishment for illegal aliens, even without considering restitution they need to make for their crimes, and the imprisonment they deserve (which we're incapable of so we just send them back).
If deportation is suspended, if the sentence is suspended, that's a pardoning act of amnesty.
It's really clear as a bell.