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Obama's Executive Order[W:265]

Is Obama breaking the law?

  • Yes, by his own words he is breaking the law

    Votes: 36 48.6%

  • No, perfectly legal

    Votes: 13 17.6%

  • Doing same as Regan and Bush did

    Votes: 13 17.6%

  • Not sure

    Votes: 3 4.1%

  • Dont care

    Votes: 3 4.1%

  • Go Fish

    Votes: 6 8.1%
  • Total voters
    74
Re: Obama's Executive Order

"Defunding the left means far more than not funding to provide millions of green cards. I want the EPA to die on the vine. I want the Education department to die. I want white house travel curtailed. I want NPR defunded. I want every single leftist program that the Congress can defund to be defunded.

I want the Congress to refuse to sit any of Obama's appointees. I want to see the judiciary defunded, dissolved and the liberal judges thrown out.

This is war. I prefer it stay a war of non-lethal actions for as long as possible."
sangha said:
And I want to see the repubs try to do all of those things.
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Me too.

because it really worked out so well for them the last two times they tried that
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When has it been tried? Do you never tire of going for expediency in lieu of what is right?
 
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pbrauer said:
I responded as well.

What's good for the goose...
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hmmm...okay.

For clarity, then, am I correct to understand that you do agree that it's hard to impossible to tell when Obama is lying and when he's not?
 
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Misterveritis said:
Is he making the case for impeachment? If not he is posturing and is part of the problem.
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They don't need to Impeach, they can defund most of his Amnesty without shutting down the government. Plus they can write legislation over it forcing him to use his Pen highlighting him and his party as the Obstructionists, going into 2016.

Just look at who the new Chairs are on the Judiciary, House Overcite, Budget, Weighs and Means......BO has serious problems going forward with anything.
 
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Misterveritis said:
Are you another who foolishly believes the way to stop a tyrant is to do nothing?

Impeach the Tyrant. Convict the Tyrant. Throw the Tyrant out of office. Then arrest him and try him for treason, for waging war against the American citizen. Treason deserves capital punishment. But a life in jail for the traitor would be acceptable.

Then go after all who aided and abetted his actions.
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I don't believe in taking bait, and Obama baited the Republicans. They shouldn't lower themselves to his level.
 
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matchlight said:
Indoctrinating two generations of Americans about the supposed evils of their country in public schools, while failing to teach them much else, has consequences. This country is now infested with millions of drones who don't understand even basic civics, and could not care less. And a disproportionate share of them don't like much about America, even though they choose to take up space here. These types played their part in making this thoroughly undemocratic, un-American man President. They don't care any more about the United States, its traditions, or its Constitution than he does--he is a President for our time.
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well you must have expected this, every empire rises and falls, its the nature of them as America will fall as people become corrupted.

"when people become uneducated and don't know what kind of government they have, it will turn into a democracy followed by a dictatorship"
 
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sangha said:
Yes, I do.

But my arguments are usually based on the harm that's being done to the nation, and not the fact that a politician lied.
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you are self justifying your actions, by deeming yourself to being one who knows what right and wrong is, and others do not.
 
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matchlight said:
Don't most of Mr. Obama's supporters believe that? It would be odd if they didn't, since Obama himself so clearly believes it.
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I'm sure they do, though very few are willing to admit such a dishonorable attitude.

But it's refreshing when an Obama supporter actually does admit their belief...and it leaves no question to the extent of their bias.
 
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Mycroft said:
Oh...believe me, I don't like to lie. So please explain how what I said differs from what you said.
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You said I believe "the ends justifies the means" That saying applies to all means, not just lying. My response only addressed deception; not all means.

For example, I would not support a politician who molests a child in order to get a good bill passed. No ends justify the molestation of a child, no matter how good the ends are

But we're not talking about child molestation. We're talking about lying in politics. Making an issue of politicians lying is like:
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ttwtt78640 said:
Not so, unless they simply stop doing anything. The problem with defining "good" illegal aliens is that it still requires effort (expense) to differentiate them from "not so good" illegal aliens. The Obama plan to give them "okey dokey" temporary status still requires identification and background checking and some sort of pass (status ID?) to prevent the next ICE agent from repeating that time wasting.
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If the right defunds the govt's ability to run background checks, then it will be impossible to deport immigrants who have committed violent felonies (because they won't be able to find that out if they can't run background checks) and that would politically devasting to the republican defunders

So "Bring it on!!"
 
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sangha said:
You said I believe "the ends justifies the means" That saying applies to all means, not just lying. My response only addressed deception; not all means.

For example, I would not support a politician who molests a child in order to get a good bill passed. No ends justify the molestation of a child, no matter how good the ends are
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Very well. Thank you for the correction.

You don't believe the ends justify the means...you believe the ends justify lying. Is that correct?
 
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Mycroft said:
Very well. Thank you for the correction.

You don't believe the ends justify the means...you believe the ends justify lying. Is that correct?
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If your wife asks you "Do these pants make my ass look fat?" how do you answer?
 
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sangha said:
If the right defunds the govt's ability to run background checks, then it will be impossible to deport immigrants who have committed violent felonies (because they won't be able to find that out if they can't run background checks) and that would politically devasting to the republican defunders

So "Bring it on!!"
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Oh...I don't know about that.

I think it might be possible for Congress to target defunding language to apply to background check for specific purposes...and allow background check for other purposes.

Now, I don't know if anyone in Congress understands this. Guess we'll just have to wait and see (1) if they try to defund anything and (2) exactly what they try to defund.
 
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sangha said:
If your wife asks you "Do these pants make my ass look fat?" how do you answer?
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??

I don't understand the relevance, but...

Let it be known that you didn't answer my question.
 
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pbrauer said:
I was wrong about Obama talking about amnesty, I was basing it on Right Wing website. As for Perino, it was the first website when I googled it.

I don't know why he said what he said, but I am pretty damn sure he has prosecutorial discretion.

Is Obama's immigration action legal? A Q&A. (+video) - CSMonitor.com
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Can you please explain why Dana Perino is an expert on the Constitution? What are her credentials?

Do you now believe what all Fox News employees say?
 
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Mycroft said:
Oh...I don't know about that.

I think it might be possible for Congress to target defunding language to apply to background check for specific purposes...and allow background check for other purposes.

Now, I don't know if anyone in Congress understands this. Guess we'll just have to wait and see (1) if they try to defund anything and (2) exactly what they try to defund.
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That's possible, but my hunch is that the GOP is going to roll over on this nd do nothing and for a good reason (ie the repubs like immigration and the cheap labor it provides. They're just playing politics and throwing their base some red meat)
 
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Mycroft said:
??

I don't understand the relevance, but...

Let it be known that you didn't answer my question.
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You keep claiming that people haven't answered your questions when they have

Let it be known that your actions (posting lies) show you approve of lying.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Can you please explain why Dana Perino is an expert on the Constitution?
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I didn't say she was. But she is a partisan and I wouldn't expect her to say it.
 
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pbrauer said:
I didn't say she was. But she is a partisan and I wouldn't expect her to say it.
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So what Obama did was absolutely lawful because a right wing partisan said it was, even though she has no qualifications? Is that about right?
 
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sangha said:
You keep claiming that people haven't answered your questions when they have

Let it be known that your actions (posting lies) show you approve of lying.
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Regardless what you might think, responding to a misunderstanding is not lying. That's what I did.

I also asked for, received and acknowledged your clarification. And, in an effort to clearly understand you, I restated your position and asked if I was correct in my understanding.

Now you are avoiding that request. I wonder why.
 
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Mycroft said:
Oh...I don't know about that.

I think it might be possible for Congress to target defunding language to apply to background check for specific purposes...and allow background check for other purposes.

Now, I don't know if anyone in Congress understands this. Guess we'll just have to wait and see (1) if they try to defund anything and (2) exactly what they try to defund.
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That would be excellent way to bring more Latinos on the Democratic side for 2016.
 
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