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Obama's Executive Order[W:265]

Is Obama breaking the law?

  • Yes, by his own words he is breaking the law

    Votes: 36 48.6%
  • No, perfectly legal

    Votes: 13 17.6%
  • Doing same as Regan and Bush did

    Votes: 13 17.6%
  • Not sure

    Votes: 3 4.1%
  • Dont care

    Votes: 3 4.1%
  • Go Fish

    Votes: 6 8.1%

  • Total voters
    74
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Obama said nothing about them not getting anything from state govts and I did not admit that they will get any state benefits. I merely acknowledged the possibility that they will. Whether they do remains to be seen.

Been to Ca. lately? It's a sanctuary state......connect the dots.
 
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Is Obama righting Laws or is he doing the same thing as Bush and Reagan?

I think that Obama is doing nothing that hasn't been done by a host of presidents long before him. Immigration is part of his agenda; we knew that, adn he is doing everything within his power to get the door open: somebody's gotta start somewhere. He's forcing a jump ball, and for that I applaud him.
 
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What knowledge of constitutional law is Ms. Perino drawing on to reach that conclusion? You might as well ask some social science professor at the local community college whether she thinks this was a valid exercise of prosecutorial discretion.

Given the fact that when she was press secretary she was probably extensively briefed on GWB similar executive actions, I bet she knows more than you.
 
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The ends justify the means, right? Lie when it suits?

Do you condone such an attitude?

No, not really, especially when war in Iraq is concerned.:2razz:
 
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Interesting...however...



8 U.S.C. §§103, 103a. appear to have been omitted since 1949.

Ahhh. I see the confusion!

The document references Sec 103 of Immigration and Naturalization Act and Sec 1103 of 8 USC
 
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Depending on the circumstances, deception can be a legitimate tactic in politics.

For leftists like Mr. Obama, lying is standard procedure. He has been a damned liar throughout his political life, and he is a damned liar now.
 
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In other words, he lied back then, right? I mean, do you think it's reasonable that he's able to understand the law now...but couldn't understand the law back then? Heck, it makes me wonder if he even understands the law now.

But, hey...if he says it, it's true, right? Even if it's not.


;)

Law professor, Obama supporter and outspoken liberal Jonathan Turley, a man considered to be a champion of liberal and progressive causes, was interviewed on MSNBC's Hardball tonight and asked his opinion on John Boehner suing the president. Fill-in host Steve Kornacki asked him "Legally speaking" did Boehner have "any kind of a case here?" He responded by saying:


" Oh, I think there is a case against the president for exceeding his authority. I happen to agree with the president on many of his priorities and policies, but as I testified in Congress, I think that he has crossed the constitutional line."

Jonathan Turley: Obama Has Effectively Rewritten Laws, "He Has Crossed The Constitutional Line" | Video | RealClearPolitics



In comments to The Wall Street Journal last week, Mr. Turley said that Mr. Obama’s pending action is likely illegal given its scope. “Presidents have long claimed a high degree of discretion in the immigration area and courts have generally deferred to such decisions when they relate to priorities in enforcement,” he said. “However, the sheer size of this proposed change magnifies the already great concerns under the separation of powers.”.....snip~

House Republicans Hire Jonathan Turley to Pursue Obama Lawsuit - Washington Wire - WSJ
 
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That seems to cover children. I am curious about adults who came in illegally five or more years ago.

I am aware of the site you provided the link to.

The same applies to adults.

The page is about how children prove residency because the page is meant to help children. However, the types of documents that can be used to help children prove residency can also be used by adults
 
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For leftists like Mr. Obama, lying is standard procedure. He has been a damned liar throughout his political life, and he is a damned liar now.

Unlike politicians on the right. They never lie
 
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This is a very heated topic, but that's no excuse for personal comments and baiting or flaming that is sprinkled throughout the thread. Please stick to the topic and don't wander off into the weeds to play ping-pong.
 
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There are people who disagree with your opinion. The President is one of them.


The funny thing is, I don't disapprove with some of the meat of his orders. It's the extra-constitutional way he went about them that makes him a douchebag.
 
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BO's executive amnesty violates the laws Congress has passed in order to create and implement laws Congress has refused to pass. BO is providing an estimated 5 million illegal immigrants with social security numbers, photo IDs and work permits—allowing them to now take jobs directly from struggling Americans.

Meaning they can access almost all U.S. welfare programs and will with State Welfare Programs too.

That is not true. That is old bad intel before anyone knew what the order would entail.

No SSN. No access to benefits not offered to aliens already.
 
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When you have a majority of people out there (including lawmakers) that are either uninterested, unable, or unwilling to get rid of the amendment, I do think it isn't reasonable or logical to do. It simply is a pipe dream at this point IMO. Do I think it should be removed or reformed? Yes. Do I think it is going to happen? Hell no. So I would rather focus on what I think we can do and can accomplish which is enforce the laws on the books and secure the border.

You are arguing that logical and practical are the same thing. But they are not.

From a strictly logical perspective, it would make sense to do so, as it would make at least of the contentious immigration decision making much clearer, cleaner and far more straight forward. Logical.

From a probability, political, achievable perspective, it's a non-starter, and isn't going to happen. We agree on that.

The two things are very different, and I maintain that something can be logical to do, but impossible to achieve, and therefore unlikely to happen.

I can completely agree. The problem is getting the politicians who are controlled by corporate lobbyists to agree. Hell it looks like even Rand Paul has fallen into corporate hands.
 
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No, not really, especially when war in Iraq is concerned.:2razz:

Then you think Obama is wrong to lie when it suits himself and to tell the truth when THAT suits him. Thanks for clearing that up.

I guess the next question would be...how do you know when he is lying and when he's not lying?
 
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That is not true. That is old bad intel before anyone knew what the order would entail.

No SSN. No access to benefits not offered to aliens already.

I'm pretty sure they will be able to get SS #'s and cards, but they will not be able to get any SS benefits. The SSN# is only for work authorization and tracking purposes.
 
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;)

Law professor, Obama supporter and outspoken liberal Jonathan Turley, a man considered to be a champion of liberal and progressive causes, was interviewed on MSNBC's Hardball tonight and asked his opinion on John Boehner suing the president. Fill-in host Steve Kornacki asked him "Legally speaking" did Boehner have "any kind of a case here?" He responded by saying:


" Oh, I think there is a case against the president for exceeding his authority. I happen to agree with the president on many of his priorities and policies, but as I testified in Congress, I think that he has crossed the constitutional line."

Jonathan Turley: Obama Has Effectively Rewritten Laws, "He Has Crossed The Constitutional Line" | Video | RealClearPolitics



In comments to The Wall Street Journal last week, Mr. Turley said that Mr. Obama’s pending action is likely illegal given its scope. “Presidents have long claimed a high degree of discretion in the immigration area and courts have generally deferred to such decisions when they relate to priorities in enforcement,” he said. “However, the sheer size of this proposed change magnifies the already great concerns under the separation of powers.”.....snip~

House Republicans Hire Jonathan Turley to Pursue Obama Lawsuit - Washington Wire - WSJ

Maybe if Obama actually tried negotiating instead of insisting everything go his way when he has an idea - like every other POTUS has done - he might learn something! I realize that he believes he knows everything, but millions of Americans don't think so, as he should have realized earlier this month!
 
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Then you think Obama is wrong to lie when it suits himself and to tell the truth when THAT suits him. Thanks for clearing that up.

I guess the next question would be...how do you know when he is lying and when he's not lying?

I don't know, it was my opinion. Do you think the Bush administration lied or exaggerated about WMD in Iraq?
 
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That is not true. That is old bad intel before anyone knew what the order would entail.

No SSN. No access to benefits not offered to aliens already.

:roll:

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama made some notable omissions in his remarks about the unilateral actions he's taking on immigration. A look at his statements Thursday and how they compare with the facts:


OBAMA: "It does not grant citizenship, or the right to stay here permanently, or offer the same benefits that citizens receive. Only Congress can do that. All we're saying is we're not going to deport you."

THE FACTS: He's saying, and doing, more than that. The changes also will make those covered eligible for work permits, allowing them to be employed in the country legally and compete with citizens and legal residents for better-paying jobs.....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-obamas-claims-illegal-immigration-081111776.html
 
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