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Obama's Executive Order[W:265]

Is Obama breaking the law?

  • Yes, by his own words he is breaking the law

    Votes: 36 48.6%

  • No, perfectly legal

    Votes: 13 17.6%

  • Doing same as Regan and Bush did

    Votes: 13 17.6%

  • Not sure

    Votes: 3 4.1%

  • Dont care

    Votes: 3 4.1%

  • Go Fish

    Votes: 6 8.1%
  • Total voters
    74
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Mycroft said:
Oh...you know that's not true.

Congress worked very well with Obama to shove Obamacare down our throats.
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That was the past, this is the present.
 
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Ontologuy said:
Yep, don't ya just hate it when you think no one will catch it .. and you get nailed. :shock:
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Nailed? Caught? Better explain yourself! The only hate I see around here is coming from you.
 
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Juanita said:
That was the past, this is the present.
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These folks could use a little Present Moment Awareness.
But they're too busy rewriting the past.

The President is currently 190 executive orders behind Reagan.
He's also three behind Reagan on Immigration, including tonight's EO--time to catch up.

Obama's also well behind both Bush Presidents and Clinton on executive orders--he needs to get busy.
So much for the 'lame-duck' President huh ? :lamo
 
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Ontologuy said:
As well they should -- it's simply not needed.

The only thing needed .. is comprehensive enforcement of our current laws on dealing with illegal aliens.

You should really check your "progressive" ideology at the door, Juanita -- it's dumbing you down to the obvious.
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Futwa baby, it is needed and needed badly. Your ideology sucks big time. Hateful people make this world a hateful place. So you believe that people who were brought to this country as little children should be deported back to countries they never knew??
 
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Juanita said:
Futwa baby, it is needed and needed badly. Your ideology sucks big time. Hateful people make this world a hateful place. So you believe that people who were brought to this country as little children should be deported back to countries they never knew??
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If you are going to have an immigration policy a born child's citizenship should be based on the parents citizenship. If instead you decide that everyone that is born in this country is a citizen you create a situation where you either have to separate a family when you deport them, accept criminals in your country to go without punishment to keep families together, or deport a us citizen just so you can deport their parents and not separate their family.
 
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I hope everyone is taking notice of the posters who support this attack on the foundations of the United States. I don't give a damn what immigration policy they think should be followed. I don't give a damn who their hearts bleed for. I don't give a damn how nice and reasonable they think this man was in his speech. This is about something much more basic.

Either we are dedicated to living under the authority of our Constitution and the rule of law, or we can no longer seriously call this a free country. The sickening fact is that the U.S. now seems to be infested by millions of drones who not only refuse to condemn an open act of tyranny by a President of the United States, but approve of it. This damned shameless liar himself has been saying dozens of times, for years, that he had no authority to do the very thing he has just done.
 
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matchlight said:
I hope everyone is taking notice of the posters who support this attack on the foundations of the United States.
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By asking everyone to take notice of the posters who support this attack on the foundations of the United States,
just exactly what are you getting at matchlight?

I would certainly hope that this isn't a direct or veiled threat on other posters .
 
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matchlight said:
I don't give a damn what immigration policy they think should be followed.
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I wish I could say the same about your Republican's immigration policy but they don't have one.
I don't give a damn who their hearts bleed for.
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I do.
I don't give a damn how nice and reasonable they think this man was in his speech.
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I do.
This is about something much more basic.
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Actually, it's quite complicated, and has its roots in Reagan's amnesty.

Either we are dedicated to living under the authority of our Constitution and the rule of law,
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we all are.
or we can no longer seriously call this a free country.
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This will always be a free Nation, GOD willing .
 
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matchlight said:
The sickening fact is that the U.S. now seems to be infested by millions
of drones who not only refuse to condemn an open act of tyranny by a President of the United States, but approve of it.
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Are you calling me sick and saying that I infest the United States of America as a drone?
Yes or no matchlight?
Do I approve of an open act of tyranny by your President?
This damned shameless liar himself has been saying dozens of times,
for years, that he had no authority to do the very thing he has just done.
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dozens of times--R you sure about that?
got a link for any of those--even one--showing how the exact wording matches up .
 
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Henrin said:
If you are going to have an immigration policy a born child's citizenship should be based on the parents citizenship. If instead you decide that everyone that is born in this country is a citizen you create a situation where you either have to separate a family when you deport them, accept criminals in your country to go without punishment to keep families together, or deport a us citizen just so you can deport their parents and not separate their family.
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Too late, Henrin, it "is" policy, as it should be! It is one of the reasons that we are such a great country -- think if the Statue of Liberty.. If you were born in this country, you are a citizen; if you were raised in this country as an American, you should be able to stay here! Anything else is cruel and inhumane!
 
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Juanita said:
idioms are for idiots. You hear, I see!
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Juanita said:
Nailed? Caught? Better explain yourself! The only hate I see around here is coming from you.
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Juanita said:
Futwa baby, it is needed and needed badly. Your ideology sucks big time. Hateful people make this world a hateful place. So you believe that people who were brought to this country as little children should be deported back to countries they never knew??
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Wow.

Razor tongue .. threatening posture .. lashes out with unwarranted hatred accusation attacks .. ..

.. Can we say victim mentality, boys and girls?

You can bet your unresolved family of origin issues on it!

Now ..

.. Would you like to stick to the topically relevant material?

Good.

Read my signature and discuss the topic, not the poster.

And save the late night tough-girl act for someone who doesn't see right through it.
 
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Juanita said:
Too late, Henrin, it "is" policy, as it should be! It is one of the reasons that we are such a great country -- think if the Statue of Liberty.. If you were born in this country, you are a citizen; if you were raised in this country as an American, you should be able to stay here! Anything else is cruel and inhumane!
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I'm sorry, but your position is irrational. If you support border control or really an immigration policy your position leads to enforcement being impossible or very unpalatable in many cases.
 
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Ontologuy said:
Wow.

Razor tongue .. threatening posture .. lashes out with unwarranted hatred accusation attacks .. ..

.. Can we say victim mentality, boys and girls?

You can bet your unresolved family of origin issues on it!

Now ..

.. Would you like to stick to the topically relevant material?

Good.

Read my signature and discuss the topic, not the poster.

And save the late night tough-girl act for someone who doesn't see right through it.
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Are you supposed to be the rational one here? I "was" discussing the topic and letting you know my opinions on your stand. They suck! You never answered my question. I'm trying to quit smoking and not doing well, so don't **** with me!
 
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Henrin said:
I'm sorry, but your position is irrational. If you support border control or really an immigration policy your position leads to enforcement being impossible or very unpalatable in many cases.
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How is it irrational? Border Control has been strengthened. Undocumented people have to be here for more than 5 years, so it would not apply to anyone who just came over or have been here for less than five years.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
I'm confused - do you really mean "righting" laws, as in correcting errors/omissions? - or do you mean "writing" laws, as in legislating from the Oval Office?

There is an important difference, at least in my view.
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Both. He is righting the laws and not writing law.
 
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Ontologuy said:
Deportation is the fundamental punishment for illegal aliens, even without considering restitution they need to make for their crimes, and the imprisonment they deserve (which we're incapable of so we just send them back).

If deportation is suspended, if the sentence is suspended, that's a pardoning act of amnesty.

It's really clear as a bell.
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You got your "law" terms confused. Deportation is in no way a punishment.

Border Patrol agents have the authority to turn back border crossers they encounter. Are BP agents judges that are authorized to adjudicate a sentence and deliver a judgement of deportation? Of course not.

Immigration is Administrative law; not criminal law. There is a difference.
 
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Juanita said:
Correction: Congress has never worked with the President--EVER..
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It takes two to tango and Obama is the most partisan president in my memory and has created the most divided government in history.
 
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upsideguy said:
You might want to check "your understanding" Perhaps you do not....
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And you might check the net prior to posting.
 
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NIMBY said:
When has this Congress ever worked with the President?
This congress makes the do-nothing congress of Truman's time look like mighty successful .
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Plenty of presidents have worked with congress. This president hasn't tried to work with congress. Democrats passed Obamacare on a strictly partisan vote and ever since, obama has become the my way or the highway president. His idea of negotiating with congress is to have them agree with him. That's not how negotiations work. Obama lacked executive experience when he was elected and he doesn't understand building consensus. He just tries to ram crap down our throats like he did last night. This time though instead of not working with congress, he didn't work with the American people.
 
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sangha said:
If they had truly "worked with Congress to correct flaws" then congress would have passed new laws to correct those flaws, making the EO unnecessary and irrelevant.

The fact is, that after the immigration reform act was passed in 1986, Congress passed nothing to fix those flaws, which is why both Reagan and bush* issued EO's
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See above.
 
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pbrauer said:
Without a doubt its perfectly perfectly legal.
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That's nice to know. But I'm curious about the evolution on Obama's own opinion on it. He said for years that it isn't "perfectly legal".

Is this your opinion as a Constitutional scholar? And why do you know more about the Constitution than the guy who taught Constitutional law did for so long?
 
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I have no idea if he's breaking the law or not. According to him, until last night, he was breaking the law. I've seen politicians on both sides say he is breaking the law. I've seen Democratic politicians say he isn't breaking the law.

Unless a poster is a Constitutional scholar or attorney, none of us know either.

I think SCOTUS will have to weigh in on this one.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
:lamo Let them do that then. Or is it gonna be like the great Bohner lawsuit?
Lets see how far this one gets. I suspect they will be 0-2 with their petty threats.
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Writing up a Letter of Disapproval isn't going to be any difficulty.....Whats really funny, is watching how the Demos and the left quit all that chuckling once the Liberal Constitutional Attorney and Professor. Turley has taken on the lawsuit that's coming.

Which is over another part of BO's overreach.

As for Censure.....I think the Repubs should wait until the New Congress is in session and begin that process.
 
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