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Obama's Executive Order[W:265]

Is Obama breaking the law?

  • Yes, by his own words he is breaking the law

    Votes: 36 48.6%

  • No, perfectly legal

    Votes: 13 17.6%

  • Doing same as Regan and Bush did

    Votes: 13 17.6%

  • Not sure

    Votes: 3 4.1%

  • Dont care

    Votes: 3 4.1%

  • Go Fish

    Votes: 6 8.1%
  • Total voters
    74
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"Really? And if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.

This amnesty is a nation killer. Combined with chain migration, a Ted Kennedy travesty, this will bring millions more third worlders to the US. If you pay taxes, if you buy things, if you earn under $100K per year, if you do not live in a gated community, you just got screwed. And you liked it.

This [Obama'ss amnesty]was a direct attack on the US citizen on behalf of an invading enemy."
Juanita said:
Get serious!
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The Father of Lies tells you another lie. Because you are a Progressive you have no idea that the guy who lied to you last time is lying to you again. Obama knows, at this point just how stupid his supporters are. He knows you will believe whatever he tells you.
 
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haymarket said:
All you are doing is repeating some vague talking points without any specificity as to what Obama has actually done that is illegal and impeachable.
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I quoted specific laws. All youve done is say 'no, try again'. Forget it, ill just ignore you from now on.
 
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jonny5 said:
I quoted specific laws. All youve done is say 'no, try again'. Forget it, ill just ignore you from now on.
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No you quoted broad codes without citing the language itself and the specific action which constitutes a crime.
 
GmH said:
Is Obama righting Laws or is he doing the same thing as Bush and Reagan?
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He is going well further than Bush, Clinton, or Reagan ever went with using the EO to write law.
 
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sangha said:
If they had truly "worked with Congress to correct flaws" then congress would have passed new laws to correct those flaws, making the EO unnecessary and irrelevant.

The fact is, that after the immigration reform act was passed in 1986, Congress passed nothing to fix those flaws, which is why both Reagan and bush* issued EO's
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Actually, Congress did act to try fix the problems by enacting the Immigration Reform Act of 1996 under Clinton. I don't know this for fact as I haven't read the President's EO, but suspect that Pres. Obama is using many of the same provisions found in Division C of said law as precedent in his EO.
 
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APACHERAT said:
That bill was written by Democrats and was a blanket amnesty and leaving border security up to Obama. :lamo

That's why the House never brought the bill up for a vote. It was an amnesty bill that included amnesty for gang members, rapist, burglars, dog rapers. drug dealers, etc. Remember ? Just like Obama's exceutive amnesty includes all of the later , in fact Obama's executive amnesty is nothing more than making it a crime enforcing our immigration laws.

Also the amnesty bill that the Senate passed would cost the tax payers hundreds of billions of dollars. (close to a trillion dollars)

It would be cheaper to keep the illegal aliens illegal. It would even be cheaper to round them all up and deport them all.

Obama lied the other night saying it was a bipartisan bill passed by the Senate. Every Democrat voted for amnesty for gang bangers and open borders while 32 out of 42 Republicans Senators voted against the amnesty with no border security. Doesn't sound to bipartisian to me. Just another Obama lie.

Roll Call Vote

Cost for the American tax payers Senates amnesty bill. -> Cost of Unlawful Immigrants to the U.S. Taxpayers
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WTF! I thought that Rubio sponsored the House Bill...you are not making sense.
 
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ocean515 said:
Yes, I understand you believe there will suddenly be sufficient manpower to process all those requests, and that it will be easier to deport millions of people in three years.

Perfect logic.
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OMG, making sense of you people is a drain on one's sanity! It will be many months before anyone will be able to register. I don't believe that we will deport five million people.
 
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Juanita said:
WTF! I thought that Rubio sponsored the House Bill...you are not making sense.
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There were a few Republicans who sponsored the bill but the bill was written by Democrats that awarded gang bangers and convicted felons with amnesty and no gurantee that Obama would secure the border.

When 3/4 of the Republicans voted against the amnesty bill and every Democrat voted for the amnesty, it's not a bipartisian bill, it's just Obama lying again.
 
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Misterveritis said:
"Really? And if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.

This amnesty is a nation killer. Combined with chain migration, a Ted Kennedy travesty, this will bring millions more third worlders to the US. If you pay taxes, if you buy things, if you earn under $100K per year, if you do not live in a gated community, you just got screwed. And you liked it.

This [Obama'ss amnesty]was a direct attack on the US citizen on behalf of an invading enemy."

The Father of Lies tells you another lie. Because you are a Progressive you have no idea that the guy who lied to you last time is lying to you again. Obama knows, at this point just how stupid his supporters are. He knows you will believe whatever he tells you.
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You are the stupid one, you have no common sense!
 
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Juanita said:
What does that have to do with comprehensive immigration reform?
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It's an example of the Reoublican House engaging in piecemeal immigration reform and of Harry pigeon-holing such legislation because he wants them to pass HIS comprehensive immigration reform.

You know...just what we've been talking about.
 
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Juanita said:
OMG, making sense of you people is a drain on one's sanity! It will be many months before anyone will be able to register. I don't believe that we will deport five million people.
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You know, I could write exactly the same thing. I'm a bit baffled by the inability to make the connections.

5 million people have suddenly been given a reprieve for three years. First, they have to register. How big a task will that be?

Have you worked out how many tens of thousands of processing hours that will take to complete? If it took 10 minutes to process each person, it would take over 800,000 hours to process all those people. It would take over 1,800 people working on nothing but applications every work day for four months to process those applications. How is that going to happen?

Then, three years later, what happens? They register again? They fade into the woodwork? They get deported? Got any thoughts on that?

I believe they will never be deported. Not ever. Not under the Presidents plan. So it's reasonable to conclude they have been given permanent "temporary" status. And then there is the fact that far more than 5 million are going to suddenly quality.

How you can avoid these connections and facts is rather remarkable.
 
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Juanita said:
WTF! I thought that Rubio sponsored the House Bill...you are not making sense.
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Rubio is in the Senate. He initially sponsored the Senate bill, but when the people didnt like the amnesty part, and the House was going to change the bill significantly enough to upset democrats, Rubio backed out and favored a peicemeal approach instead.
 
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ocean515 said:
You know, I could write exactly the same thing. I'm a bit baffled by the inability to make the connections.

5 million people have suddenly been given a reprieve for three years. First, they have to register. How big a task will that be?

Have you worked out how many tens of thousands of processing hours that will take to complete? If it took 10 minutes to process each person, it would take over 800,000 hours to process all those people. It would take over 1,800 people working on nothing but applications every work day for four months to process those applications. How is that going to happen?

Then, three years later, what happens? They register again? They fade into the woodwork? They get deported? Got any thoughts on that?

I believe they will never be deported. Not ever. Not under the Presidents plan. So it's reasonable to conclude they have been given permanent "temporary" status. And then there is the fact that far more than 5 million are going to suddenly quality.

How you can avoid these connections and facts is rather remarkable.
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It's not surprise that they have been granted clemency for 3 years either, falling after this President is out of office. He's skimming the benefit off the top, kicking the problem down the road, using a method he himself knows he legally lacks the authority to use, but doing it anyway because nobody has the stones to challenge him on it. Evintually it will be reversed, overturned or scaled back but in the mean time the effects will stand. Interesting that a president who suspends law at his own discretion refused to obey laws he disagrees with personally. I suspect we will see a lot more of this in the immediate future trickling down to common citizens. The example has been set by Wall Street and now the government. There is no reason to follow the law or even be subversive about it any more. We can do what we want as long as we can intimidate or buy off law enforcement. I see a war on the horizon where law enforcement is increasingly attacked for trying to do their jobs by those who simply disagree with the law that is being enforced. And in the end might will make right.
 
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Mycroft said:
It's an example of the Reoublican House engaging in piecemeal immigration reform and of Harry pigeon-holing such legislation because he wants them to pass HIS comprehensive immigration reform.

You know...just what we've been talking about.
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What piecemeal immigration reform bills has the House passed?
 
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ocean515 said:
You know, I could write exactly the same thing. I'm a bit baffled by the inability to make the connections.

5 million people have suddenly been given a reprieve for three years. First, they have to register. How big a task will that be?

Have you worked out how many tens of thousands of processing hours that will take to complete? If it took 10 minutes to process each person, it would take over 800,000 hours to process all those people. It would take over 1,800 people working on nothing but applications every work day for four months to process those applications. How is that going to happen?

Then, three years later, what happens? They register again? They fade into the woodwork? They get deported? Got any thoughts on that?

I believe they will never be deported. Not ever. Not under the Presidents plan. So it's reasonable to conclude they have been given permanent "temporary" status. And then there is the fact that far more than 5 million are going to suddenly quality.

How you can avoid these connections and facts is rather remarkable.
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What do you think, that they are all going to register at one place? Geez!
 
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jonny5 said:
Rubio is in the Senate. He initially sponsored the Senate bill, but when the people didnt like the amnesty part, and the House was going to change the bill significantly enough to upset democrats, Rubio backed out and favored a peicemeal approach instead.
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Right. Sorry about that.
 
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Juanita said:
What piecemeal immigration reform bills has the House passed?
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I gave you the link already.
 
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Juanita said:
What do you think, that they are all going to register at one place? Geez!
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Yes, I pictured 1,800 people processing applications all in one place. Obviously, you're unable to apply any rational logic here. At least your not alone in ignoring the reality of the Presidents unilateral action.

:peace
 
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Immigration Bills that have passed the House

H.R.5272 - To prohibit certain actions with respect to deferred action for aliens not lawfully present in the United States, and for other purposes.
H.R.6429 - STEM Jobs Act of 2012
H.R.6025 - Mandatory Operational Control Reporting and Performance Measures Act of 2012
H.R.3120 - Student Visa Reform Act
H.R.1299 - Secure Border Act of 2012
H.R.3012 - Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2011
H.R.398 - To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act (fixed issues with family members of soldiers applying for citizenship)
H.R.1933 - To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act (deals with nursing shortage)

And thats just the last 3 years. None of these were considered in the Senate
 
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