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Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

Was liberalism rejected in the mid term elections?

  • Im a right leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 14 21.5%

  • Im a right leaning American, no.

    Votes: 12 18.5%

  • Im a left leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 3 4.6%

  • Im a left leaning American, no.

    Votes: 32 49.2%

  • Im a not American, yes.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Im a not American, no.

    Votes: 4 6.2%
  • Total voters
    65
shrubnose said:
The answer that I've posted is the only one that you'll get from me.

Wait and see what happens in 2016.
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Ah. If Hillary doesn't win the White House for the Corporatist Democrat Party, will your response be "wait until 2018"?
 
cpwill said:
Ah.
If Hillary doesn't win the White House for the Corporatist Democrat Party, will your response be "wait until 2018"?
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I don't see anyone on the right who has a real chance of defeating Hillary Clinton.

She might be in the White House until 2025.
 
Born Free said:
The first time around Obama got a shellacking, as he called it. Now the bomb went off, republican governors control 32 states, the house now holds the most seats dating back to the 1920's, the senate is securely in the hands of the republicans. Further all across the country in local elections more seats went to the republicans not democrats.

Spin the numbers all you want. People love a president that leads and who signs good legislation, neither of which has taken place over the last 6 years.

If 19% of the population think republicans are the best choice then I would sure hate to see what they think of you liberals. You lost remember.
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You are very good at repeating talking points.
 
Unrepresented said:
Where-to-be-born Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We don't even make the top 10 on that list, and we're primarily bested by more liberal countries.

My response pointed out the silliness of your position and you've given me pure hyperbole as a counter.

You're currently living in a country that has a record high stock market index and below 6% unemployment because of aspects of central planning.

You got a slight majority of a 37% turnout which is a record low. 19% of the population thinks you're the best choice. That seems presumptuous to take as a mandate about anything other than apathy and cynicism.
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6 percent unemployment ?

Be honest. Because dishonesty is why the Democrats got their goofy asses handed to them.

Its 6 percent unemployment with a record low labor participation rate with a marked increase in new PART time jobs.

Median income levels have flatlined in the last 6 years and STILL haven't returned to 2007 levels.

Poverty rates are up and the Middle class is shrinking.

THAT'S what Central planning has gotten us.

And you're brag about the success of QE ? You're bragging about the Central bank falsely inflating the values of assets ?

Your bragging about FED policy that incentivizes speculation and NOT investment in our economy ?

You're bragging about massive monetization of our debt with no economic advantages ?

You people think your'e the smartest people in the room as your policies crash and burn.

Its mass delusion for the leftist
 
shrubnose said:
I don't see anyone on the right who has a real chance of defeating Hillary Clinton.

She might be in the White House until 2025.
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Huh ??

Allot of Politicians on the right beat Hillary just last week.

Remember all of those Democrats that ran as Clinton Democrats ? And lost ?

She even showed up and campaigned for a couple of them and they STILL lost.
 
Fenton said:
6 percent unemployment ?

Be honest. Because dishonesty is why the Democrats got their goofy asses handed to them.

Its 6 percent unemployment with a record low labor participation rate with a marked increase in new PART time jobs.

Median income levels have flatlined in the last 6 years and STILL haven't returned to 2007 levels.

Poverty rates are up and the Middle class is shrinking.

THAT'S what Central planning has gotten us.

And you're brag about the success of QE ? You're bragging about the Central bank falsely inflating the values of assets ?

Your bragging about FED policy that incentivizes speculation and NOT investment in our economy ?

You're bragging about massive monetization of our debt with no economic advantages ?

You people think your'e the smartest people in the room as your policies crash and burn.

Its mass delusion for the leftist
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That's central planning with an obstructionist party limiting things.
 
shrubnose said:
I don't see anyone on the right who has a real chance of defeating Hillary Clinton.

She might be in the White House until 2025.
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I think Obama fatigue has started to set in, not that he can't turn it around. But if so and it continues that could change some of what I call Democratic trustworthy states in the electoral college to swing states. For the last two election the Democrats with their trustworthy states started out with a 256-191 advantage over the Republicans. That could change if what I call Obama fatigue continues for the next two years like it did for Bush the second, Bush fatigue.

Look at the approval ratings of President Obama from a year and a half ago to today. The signs are there.

National approval rating, then 53% today 40% minus 13
Approval rating among Democrats, then 90%, today 78% minus 12
Approval rating among Republicans, then 13% today 7% minus 6 - he really can't go any lower.
Approval rating among Independents, then 47% today 36% minus 11

Party affiliation, those who affiliate themselves as Democrats, then 35%, today 29% minus 6
those who affiliate themselves as Republicans then 30%, today 26% minus 4
affiliate themselves as independents then 33%, today 42% plus 9

But what was probably the biggest change that brought the Republicans victory last week:
Independents that lean Democrat then 14% today 15% plus 1
Independents that lean Republican then 14% today 22% plus 8
the rest of independent fall into the category of either true or pure independents.

I am going to keep an eye on Obama approval ratings and on party affiliation. Especially the combined total of Democrat plus Independent lean Democrat and Republican plus Independent lean Republican. This will tell whether Obama fatigue is here to stay or is just a passing fancy that rose up and bit him last week in the butt.
 
I'd love to see liberalism rejected, but first Democrats have to run as liberals. Liberalism has been rejected in the past, but Democrats have muddied the waters by hiding their views from the public around election time. We could say liberalism was rejected in 2014 if Democrats had actually been able to implement liberalism, but the problem there is that Republicans prevented it from happening, so again, nothing to reject.

I chalk this election defeat up to the six year itch and the fact that Democrats are relying on a increasingly unreliable voter base that only comes out once every four years, and only then if there's a celebrity candidate at the top of the ticket.
 
Perotista said:
I think the biggest stat from exist polls was 78% of voters are worried about the economy in the years ahead. The parties can put all the spin on the election they want, but what happened boiled down to "It's the economy Stupid,"

Mandates, I do not think so unless the mandate is get this country moving again, i.e. the economy. Relieve worries about the future. But the question to Republicans is did they also get this message? Or do they think they have a mandate for their political agenda? In reality the Repubicans really didn't run on anything like the Contract with America back in 1994. they won because Obama fatigue as I put has set in. If the GOP congress concentrates on the economy a bright future is ahead, if not look for another 2006 and 2008 in 2016. Just keep in mind neither party is well liked:

44% of voters view the Democratic Party favorably, 53% unfavorably
40% of voters view the Republican Party favorably, 55% unfavorably

I have said all along that 2014 was a unique election, it was. The party with the lowest favorable rating and the highest unfavorable rating won. That hardly ever happens if it has happened.
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I dont think the repubs won because people wanted them to work WITH Obama, I think they won because they wanted to STOP Obama. Bottom line, people aren't happy with him or his parties policies. If they wanted to "help" Obama implement his policies, they would have voted for dems.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Forcing people to pay insurance companies for coverage is nowhere near what I define as "liberal", nor is amnesty, where a "liberal" solution would first weigh fairness, and people who break the law are well down that list.

Obama is a Populist/Socialist. His health care reform was a promise first, THEN became policy, THEN became a legislative nightmare, consistent behaviors and result for populism. His policies, frankly are all over the map. His bail out package which seems forgotten was classic corporate welfare, and was a Nixonian lining of the lining of the pockets of those who paid $5000 for a rubber chicken dinner and a chance to glimpse the rock star candidate. Liberals, including me were horrified.

And in the end, his administration has been the antithesis of liberal, whose core ideals lie in compromise, with the belief it is better to get a thin slice of the pie today than no pie at all, which is the result of six years in office.

How well he wears the Teflon has baffled me. There is something about this guy that resonates in no way I have seen before. Most politicians would never have recovered from "If you like your plan...." but Americans rushed to forget it. He has to be the slimiest president since Nixon, he has lied, sent the IRS after his enemies and otherwise been Nixon, and he skates clean. Frustrating? It astonishes me.
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I dont get it either, he's got no cohesive theme to his policies (except distortions/spin) he STILL fails at what he decides to pursue, and yes-Americans still "like" the guy (or so we hear). THAT is a very dangerous precedence because so many horrible things have been allowed because of a slick personality. I dont know about all Canadians, but you are a different species of liberal from this guy.

And this song is absolutely appropriate.
 
Fenton said:
6 percent unemployment ?

Be honest. Because dishonesty is why the Democrats got their goofy asses handed to them.

Its 6 percent unemployment with a record low labor participation rate with a marked increase in new PART time jobs.

Median income levels have flatlined in the last 6 years and STILL haven't returned to 2007 levels.

Poverty rates are up and the Middle class is shrinking.

THAT'S what Central planning has gotten us.

And you're brag about the success of QE ? You're bragging about the Central bank falsely inflating the values of assets ?

Your bragging about FED policy that incentivizes speculation and NOT investment in our economy ?

You're bragging about massive monetization of our debt with no economic advantages ?

You people think your'e the smartest people in the room as your policies crash and burn.

Its mass delusion for the leftist
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Dead on. No amount of spin from the dems changes this.
 
Perotista said:
I think Obama fatigue has started to set in, not that he can't turn it around. But if so and it continues that could change some of what I call Democratic trustworthy states in the electoral college to swing states. For the last two election the Democrats with their trustworthy states started out with a 256-191 advantage over the Republicans. That could change if what I call Obama fatigue continues for the next two years like it did for Bush the second, Bush fatigue.

Look at the approval ratings of President Obama from a year and a half ago to today. The signs are there.

National approval rating, then 53% today 40% minus 13
Approval rating among Democrats, then 90%, today 78% minus 12
Approval rating among Republicans, then 13% today 7% minus 6 - he really can't go any lower.
Approval rating among Independents, then 47% today 36% minus 11

Party affiliation, those who affiliate themselves as Democrats, then 35%, today 29% minus 6
those who affiliate themselves as Republicans then 30%, today 26% minus 4
affiliate themselves as independents then 33%, today 42% plus 9

But what was probably the biggest change that brought the Republicans victory last week:
Independents that lean Democrat then 14% today 15% plus 1
Independents that lean Republican then 14% today 22% plus 8
the rest of independent fall into the category of either true or pure independents.

I am going to keep an eye on Obama approval ratings and on party affiliation. Especially the combined total of Democrat plus Independent lean Democrat and Republican plus Independent lean Republican. This will tell whether Obama fatigue is here to stay or is just a passing fancy that rose up and bit him last week in the butt.
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Its almost like theres a new scandal weekly, and constant disappointment. I dont see this wearing reversing, but it is possible.
 
US Conservative said:
I dont think the repubs won because people wanted them to work WITH Obama, I think they won because they wanted to STOP Obama. Bottom line, people aren't happy with him or his parties policies. If they wanted to "help" Obama implement his policies, they would have voted for dems.
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That is entirely possible. But it is more than just that. I think besides stopping some of Obama's policies, they want the economy moving again and jobs made available. Obama and company really haven't concentrated on those and those were exactly why the voters elected Obama in the first place. It is my view if the Republican congress works on improving the economy over the next two years they will do fine in 2016, if not they will pay a price.
 
US Conservative said:
Its almost like theres a new scandal weekly, and constant disappointment. I dont see this wearing reversing, but it is possible.
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I think it is here to stay too. But I could be wrong. But when everyone knows to include the president that 78% of those who voted are worried about their financial future and the nations, then his first thing out of his mouth is immigration reform when it should have been the economy. I do not think Obama realizes what is bothering most Americans. It sure isn't immigration reform. It is their pocket books.
 
US Conservative said:
The fatal flaw of liberalism, is that it must sacrifice the freedom of the individual for the state. Thats why even the term "liberal" is a misnomer. When it inevitably comes down to that choice-freedom or the state, the liberal chooses the state.

This is one of the skeletons in the closet the left needs to deal with. I'd like to think this election brought that home, but I doubt it-especially after the sad excuses Ive heard up to this point.
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You write, "when it inevitably comes down to that choice-freedom or the state, the liberal chooses the state." I'm a liberal, and I agree with you. Sometimes. If by "freedom" you mean, as just one example, the freedom to pollute at will--to pollute our drinking water or the air we breath--then absolutely, I choose the state.

You see, you conservatives often have a highly pinched and selfish idea of "freedom." Your idea of freedom is the right to be irresponsible money-grubbing ****s at the expense of everyone else in the country. In those cases I choose the state, because it's the state that--when democracy is working--stands on the side of the common people against the powerful interests whose only concern is the money in their pockets.
 
shrubnose said:
I don't see anyone on the right who has a real chance of defeating Hillary Clinton.
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I do. Hillary Clinton :).

She might be in the White House until 2025.
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:lamo

Okedoke.

Let's see. Bush the first won the Presidency after a two-term of his party in the White House because voters wanted a third Reagan term. What do you think the odds are that in 2016 voters are going to want a third Obama term? Much less two terms of it.


Ya'll are betting it all on Hillary because it's all you've got. Who's up next? Joe Biden? Elizabeth Warren?
 
Perotista said:
I think besides stopping some of Obama's policies, they want the economy moving again and jobs made available. Obama and company really haven't concentrated on those and those were exactly why the voters elected Obama in the first place.
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That's funny. I wonder if you noticed that the GOP has refused to consider any of the policies that Obama and the Dems have proposed to accelerate the economic expansion. The GOP even refused to extend unemployment benefits, which has one of the greatest "bangs for the buck" when it comes to federal spending to stimulate the economy.

Here's hint: The GOP has purposely sabotaged the economy as a way of undermining support for Obama, and the American public is too stupid to understand that. We have some $3 trillion in infrastructure projects we could be funding at almost no interest, which would have a dramatic stimulus effect. But of course the GOP wouldn't even consider Obama's jobs program that would have done exactly that.
 
cpwill said:
I do. Hillary Clinton :).



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Okedoke.

Let's see. Bush the first won the Presidency after a two-term of his party in the White House because voters wanted a third Reagan term. What do you think the odds are that in 2016 voters are going to want a third Obama term? Much less two terms of it.


Ya'll are betting it all on Hillary because it's all you've got. Who's up next? Joe Biden? Elizabeth Warren?
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Elizabeth Warren rocks! A couple of years of Repugnicon rule will change things. Its like the cure for high gas prices is high gas prices.
 
US Conservative said:
Its almost like theres a new scandal weekly, and constant disappointment.
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Well, there's a new "scandal" every week in the right-wing fever swamps, but they never amount to a hill of beans. They turn out to be one make-believe bull**** story after another, kept alive only by constant repetition in the right-wing propaganda mills.

In fact, Obama has had one of the most ethical administrations in living memory. No wars started based on lies! No swapping arms for hostages and lying about it! No paying hush money or firing special prosecutors for doing their jobs too well!

Scandals? Hah! Just a lot of make-believe in the far-right media.
 
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Hari Seldon said:
Elizabeth Warren rocks!
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Heck Yeah She Does! Nobody, but nobody, knows the struggles and travails of the regular American nor how to defeat them by getting banks to write their own regulation like uber-wealthy Harvard professors who utilize fake minority status to glide themselves up the socioeconomic stratosphere.
 
jpn said:
Well, there's a new "scandal" every week in the right-wing fever swamps, but they never amount to a hill of beans. They turn out to be one make-believe bull**** story after another, kept alive only by constant repetition in the right-wing propaganda mills.

In fact, Obama has had one of the most ethical administrations in living memory. No wars started based on lies! No swapping arms for hostages and lying about it! No paying hush money or firing special prosecutors for doing their jobs too well!

Scandals? Hah! Just a lot of make-believe in the far-right media.
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The left said this constantly, Americans saw through it. I hold my govt to a higher standard, apparently.
 
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