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Was liberalism rejected in the midterms?

Was liberalism rejected in the mid term elections?

  • Im a right leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 14 21.5%

  • Im a right leaning American, no.

    Votes: 12 18.5%

  • Im a left leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 3 4.6%

  • Im a left leaning American, no.

    Votes: 32 49.2%

  • Im a not American, yes.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Im a not American, no.

    Votes: 4 6.2%
  • Total voters
    65
US Conservative said:
The left said this constantly, Americans saw through it. I hold my govt to a higher standard, apparently.
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:lamo

Iran-Contra Indictments:

Caspar Weinberger, Secretary of Defense, was indicted on two counts of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice on June 16, 1992. [66] Weinberger received a pardon from George H. W. Bush on December 24, 1992, before he was tried.[67] [Wow, what a high standard...]
William Casey, Head of the CIA. Thought to have conceived the plan, was stricken ill hours before he would testify. Reporter Bob Woodward reported Casey knew of and approved the plan.[68]
Robert C. McFarlane, National Security Adviser, convicted of withholding evidence, but after a plea bargain was given only two years of probation. Later pardoned by President George H. W. Bush.[69]
Elliott Abrams, Assistant Secretary of State, convicted of withholding evidence, but after a plea bargain was given only two years probation. Later pardoned by President George H. W. Bush.[70]
Alan D. Fiers, Chief of the CIA's Central American Task Force, convicted of withholding evidence and sentenced to one year probation. Later pardoned by President George H. W. Bush.
Clair George, Chief of Covert Ops-CIA, convicted on two charges of perjury, but pardoned by President George H. W. Bush before sentencing.[71]
Oliver North, member of the National Security Council convicted of accepting an illegal gratuity, obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and destruction of documents, but the ruling was overturned since he had been granted immunity.[72]
Fawn Hall, Oliver North's secretary, was given immunity from prosecution on charges of conspiracy and destroying documents in exchange for her testimony.[73]
Jonathan Scott Royster, Liaison to Oliver North, was given immunity from prosecution on charges of conspiracy and destroying documents in exchange for his testimony.[74]
National Security Advisor John Poindexter was convicted of five counts of conspiracy, obstruction of justice, perjury, defrauding the government, and the alteration and destruction of evidence. The Supreme Court upheld a lower court ruling that overturned these convictions.[75]
Duane Clarridge. An ex-CIA senior official, he was indicted in November 1991 on seven counts of perjury and false statements relating to a November 1985 shipment to Iran. Pardoned before trial by President George H. W. Bush.[76][77]
Richard V. Secord. Ex-major general in the Air Force who organized the Iran arms sales and Contra aid. He pleaded guilty in November 1989 to making false statements to Congress and was sentenced to two years of probation.[78][79]
Albert Hakim. A businessman, he pleaded guilty in November 1989 to supplementing the salary of North by buying a $13,800 fence for North with money from "the Enterprise", which was a set of foreign companies Hakim used in Iran-Contra. In addition, Swiss company Lake Resources Inc., used for storing money from arms sales to Iran to give to the Contras, plead guilty to stealing government property.[80] Hakim was given two years of probation and a $5,000 fine, while Lake Resources Inc. was ordered to dissolve.[78][81]

And that's just one scandal!

How many indictments in the Obama administration?
 
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US Conservative said:
Democrats' favorable rating at a record-low 36%
Democratic Party lost support among Democrats, independents
Republican Party's favorable rating remains steady at 42%
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So...the GOP should have no trouble overturning Obamacare? Explode the deficit by slashing taxes on the already rich (see, e.g., Kansas, state of)? Gutting Medicare and Social Security? Banning abortions and contraception? Stripping the EPA of all power and returning it to the tender mercies of Exxon/Mobile?

I guess we'll see.
 
jpn said:
So...the GOP should have no trouble overturning Obamacare? Explode the deficit by slashing taxes on the already rich (see, e.g., Kansas, state of)? Gutting Medicare and Social Security? Banning abortions and contraception? Stripping the EPA of all power and returning it to the tender mercies of Exxon/Mobile?

I guess we'll see.
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The ACA will likely not be overturn because its namesake holds veto authority. And the deficit isn't as big as it is because we aren't taxing people enough-but rather because we spend too much (like entitlements for votes-our biggest expense).
 
US Conservative said:
The ACA will likely not be overturn because its namesake holds veto authority. And the deficit isn't as big as it is because we aren't taxing people enough-but rather because we spend too much (like entitlements for votes-our biggest expense).
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Aw, I'm so disappointed that you have nothing to say about Iran-Contra. As a big Reagan fan I thought sure you'd be all full of interesting tidbits about it.

So our biggest expense is entitlements-for-votes, eh? So overturn Social Security! And Medicare! Come on! You own the House and the Senate now! Go for it! Let's see how popular that would be! And ban contraception, just like in some fundamentalist Muslim countries! I bet you're just giddy about all the possibilities, aren't you!?!
 
jpn said:
Aw, I'm so disappointed that you have nothing to say about Iran-Contra. As a big Reagan fan I thought sure you'd be all full of interesting tidbits about it.

So our biggest expense is entitlements-for-votes, eh? So overturn Social Security! And Medicare! Come on! You own the House and the Senate now! Go for it! Let's see how popular that would be! And ban contraception, just like in some fundamentalist Muslim countries! I bet you're just giddy about all the possibilities, aren't you!?!
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What dont you understand about the word veto?
 
Liberalism was defeated I don't know you could refute that. Almost every Liberal Democrat was defeated.
 
jpn said:
:lamo

Iran-Contra Indictments:

Caspar Weinberger, Secretary of Defense, was indicted on two counts of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice on June 16, 1992. [66] Weinberger received a pardon from George H. W. Bush on December 24, 1992, before he was tried.[67] [Wow, what a high standard...]
William Casey, Head of the CIA. Thought to have conceived the plan, was stricken ill hours before he would testify. Reporter Bob Woodward reported Casey knew of and approved the plan.[68]
Robert C. McFarlane, National Security Adviser, convicted of withholding evidence, but after a plea bargain was given only two years of probation. Later pardoned by President George H. W. Bush.[69]
Elliott Abrams, Assistant Secretary of State, convicted of withholding evidence, but after a plea bargain was given only two years probation. Later pardoned by President George H. W. Bush.[70]
Alan D. Fiers, Chief of the CIA's Central American Task Force, convicted of withholding evidence and sentenced to one year probation. Later pardoned by President George H. W. Bush.
Clair George, Chief of Covert Ops-CIA, convicted on two charges of perjury, but pardoned by President George H. W. Bush before sentencing.[71]
Oliver North, member of the National Security Council convicted of accepting an illegal gratuity, obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and destruction of documents, but the ruling was overturned since he had been granted immunity.[72]
Fawn Hall, Oliver North's secretary, was given immunity from prosecution on charges of conspiracy and destroying documents in exchange for her testimony.[73]
Jonathan Scott Royster, Liaison to Oliver North, was given immunity from prosecution on charges of conspiracy and destroying documents in exchange for his testimony.[74]
National Security Advisor John Poindexter was convicted of five counts of conspiracy, obstruction of justice, perjury, defrauding the government, and the alteration and destruction of evidence. The Supreme Court upheld a lower court ruling that overturned these convictions.[75]
Duane Clarridge. An ex-CIA senior official, he was indicted in November 1991 on seven counts of perjury and false statements relating to a November 1985 shipment to Iran. Pardoned before trial by President George H. W. Bush.[76][77]
Richard V. Secord. Ex-major general in the Air Force who organized the Iran arms sales and Contra aid. He pleaded guilty in November 1989 to making false statements to Congress and was sentenced to two years of probation.[78][79]
Albert Hakim. A businessman, he pleaded guilty in November 1989 to supplementing the salary of North by buying a $13,800 fence for North with money from "the Enterprise", which was a set of foreign companies Hakim used in Iran-Contra. In addition, Swiss company Lake Resources Inc., used for storing money from arms sales to Iran to give to the Contras, plead guilty to stealing government property.[80] Hakim was given two years of probation and a $5,000 fine, while Lake Resources Inc. was ordered to dissolve.[78][81]

And that's just one scandal!

How many indictments in the Obama administration?
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Ancient history.
 
Navy Pride said:
Liberalism was defeated I don't know you could refute that. Almost every Liberal Democrat was defeated.
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Liberalism was defeated along with it's condescending 'smartest in the room', 'smarter than you' attitude.

No one likes to be lied to. No one.
No one likes to be called stupid. No one.
No one likes to be conned. No one.

This will likely hang around the 2016 Democratic campaigners necks like a milestone, as it should.

If the liberalism ideas are so smart and so good, why is it that the only way to get them passed is to lie about them and obfuscate them?
Don't the smartest ideas generally get more support and not less?
 
Here's an example of a Republican who was elected even though he wasn't well-known and even though his views were basically the same as his incumbent Democratic opponent.

GOP Car Salesman With No Money Knocks Off Previously Untouchable Dem


No, this election wasn't some big statement about the defeat of liberalism. It was just, six years into a president's term of office, voters voting against the incumbent party. Has happened before, will happen again.

And as mentioned earlier in this thread - with low voter turnout (36.3%) this means just over 20% of the voters "rejected" the incumbent party. I would assume no one on this thread would jump to some sweeping conclusion based on that limited set of data.
 
Ockham said:
Liberalism rejected? No ... liberalism in the classic sense is nearly (or perhaps fully now?) extinct. Progressive policies were rejected in this mid-term as the road those policies lead the American people are not satisfactory.
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Let's hope this is a trend.

"Liberalism" and "Progressivism", both once noble terms reflecting noble causes, have been usurped by the left and have come to mean a return to the Big Government, well known throughout the historical world as allowing few individual freedoms. Only Conservatives want to preserve those individual freedoms millions have fought for over the centuries and which the leftists now take for granted.

Now these once noble 'Leftists' and "Progressives", who will clearly accept government lies and intrusions as a means to their end, have to be confronted and, hopefully, stopped. Certainly, at a minimum, they have to be better educated in history and how powerful governments have seldom led to the advancement and freedom of anyone except for those who happen to be in power. It seems, given their history, that many would actually prefer a dictator.
 
jpn said:
So...the GOP should have no trouble overturning Obamacare? Explode the deficit by slashing taxes on the already rich (see, e.g., Kansas, state of)? Gutting Medicare and Social Security? Banning abortions and contraception? Stripping the EPA of all power and returning it to the tender mercies of Exxon/Mobile?

I guess we'll see.
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Have you seen any GOP website or literature where any of this has been proposed?

Jonathan Gruber.
 
Navy Pride said:
Liberalism was defeated I don't know you could refute that. Almost every Liberal Democrat was defeated.
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Judging from the last couple decades or so, they'll be back in about 10 years after the Republicans **** things up in their own style.
 
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Corporations are people, my friend!
 
The Mark said:
Judging from the last couple decades or so, they'll be back in about 10 years after the Republicans **** things up in their own style.
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When Democrats **** things up, it's usually done in a sad and meandering way that slowly leaves your soul grayer and bleaker. But Republicans know how to **** things up with panache. When they **** up, it's worthy of a Michael Bay movie with a Black Sabbath soundtrack. Credit where credit's due.
 
eohrnberger said:
Liberalism was defeated along with it's condescending 'smartest in the room', 'smarter than you' attitude.

No one likes to be lied to. No one.
No one likes to be called stupid. No one.
No one likes to be conned. No one.

This will likely hang around the 2016 Democratic campaigners necks like a milestone, as it should.

If the liberalism ideas are so smart and so good, why is it that the only way to get them passed is to lie about them and obfuscate them?
Don't the smartest ideas generally get more support and not less?
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Absolutely they do. That's why the Germans made the right call in 1932, the Russians made the right call in 1917, the Americans made the right call in 2004, the Iranians made the right call in 1979, etc. Argumentum ad populum is by far the best way to prove the validity of a point!
 
Phys251 said:
Absolutely they do. That's why the Germans made the right call in 1932, the Russians made the right call in 1917, the Americans made the right call in 2004, the Iranians made the right call in 1979, etc. Argumentum ad populum is by far the best way to prove the validity of a point!
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If I'm reading your post correctly, you were, or are, in support of these regimes that came to rise these dates and times?
 
eohrnberger said:
If I'm reading your post correctly, you were, or are, in support of these regimes that came to rise these dates and times?
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No.

......
 
eohrnberger said:
If I'm reading your post correctly, you were, or are, in support of these regimes that came to rise these dates and times?
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It's a sad day when one almost has to insert #sarcasm tags or something similar to make it so obvious. But hey, Poe's Law.
 
eohrnberger said:
Odd. I click the link and it takes to the complete article, no login, nothing, never logged in, never registered. However, I hesitate to post the entire article here not wanting to run afoul of the rules or copyright. However, the most poignant and short excerpt may suffice.



Bottom line, she didn't solve any of the existing problems, didn't accomplish much of anything except log quite a number of air miles (Rice traversed a total of 1,006,846 miles, Clinton a mere 956,733), but then, she didn't embarrass herself either, well with the exception of reducing the security levels for the mission in Benghazi.

I think you'd agree that this would be an characterized as unremarkable.
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"Unremarkakable"? yeah, sure: boring is a better word. S'sOS have always been boring; nothing new there. But Hillary is far from a failure. And - think about it - "foreign policy" is another check on the presidential resume.... (I knew that's what the mission was when Obama appointer her. I wasn't impressed then or now).
 
Phys251 said:
It's a sad day when one almost has to insert #sarcasm tags or something similar to make it so obvious. But hey, Poe's Law.
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Yeah. OK. Got it.

Guess I've run into some 'really out there' people, and want to give them the respect they deserve before wading in.

Cheers!
 
Fearandloathing said:
Relevance to reality?

So the Democrats exercised their right to write a letter to the president, doesn't mean **** to me....unless you missed 95% of this thread, Democrats lie...a lot.
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Of course Democrats lie all the time, but it's not up to them anymore. Keystone will get passed and it will get built.
 
Born Free said:
Of course Democrats lie all the time, but it's not up to them anymore. Keystone will get passed and it will get built.
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Oh yeah?

When? and by whom?

The last ditch was made this week and the Owe shows no signs of relenting...
so, please, with your great expertise in Canadian politics, the Canadian oil industry, China's growing needs, please indicate just how that's all going to happen and how old we are when it does.

We are two to five years away from a green light, another two for advanced engineering and ramp up to build the pipe, five years or more of construction...

When will the US say yes, and what will be the situation then, especially since a northern alternative is in the works.

The word among the pipeline industry is Obama will never say yes, nor will Clinton..so they're going elsewhere
 
Fearandloathing said:
Oh yeah?

When? and by whom?

The last ditch was made this week and the Owe shows no signs of relenting...
so, please, with your great expertise in Canadian politics, the Canadian oil industry, China's growing needs, please indicate just how that's all going to happen and how old we are when it does.

We are two to five years away from a green light, another two for advanced engineering and ramp up to build the pipe, five years or more of construction...

When will the US say yes, and what will be the situation then, especially since a northern alternative is in the works.

The word among the pipeline industry is Obama will never say yes, nor will Clinton..so they're going elsewhere
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I suggest you stick with your Canadian politics, in our system it's not up to Obama or Clinton when Congress overrides a veto by the president. In this case after the Republicans take control of the Senate there are plenty of Dems that will go along with the Republican Senate to override Obama's veto. In fact the bill now may have the votes to override Obama's veto if he veto's it. Keystone is a done deal weather Obama or Clinton like it or not.
 
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