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Is the West at war with Islam?[W:118]

Is the West at War with Islam?

  • Yes Mostly

    Votes: 4 10.3%
  • Yes, kind of.

    Votes: 9 23.1%
  • No, kind of.

    Votes: 5 12.8%
  • No Mostly

    Votes: 21 53.8%

  • Total voters
    39
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

That's very heinous, so the KKK is right up there with the jihadists. I wonder why Obama hasn't gone after them, afterall they dragged a black man for 3.5 miles behind a truck.

The KKK and Jihadists are different sides of the same coin. We should be going after the KKK and all gangs with the same vigor as any other domestic threat.
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

No, we are at war with religious extremism. That extremism just so happens to be Islamic.
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

No, we are not. Islam is a religion, you really can't go to war with a religion. It's like going to war against nouns.

Hey, that's not a very nice thing to say. Some of my best friends are nouns. Though I did have my butt kicked once by an adverb.
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

If Islam is fascistic then those that want to be abide by it let them be patrolled by sharia law officers. Certainly the sharia law officers cannot and should not have the right to oppress those that do not prescribe by it freely!

Those that would have difficulties to prescribe to the oppression of sharia law patrol officers are people that believe value freedom more than oppression. Those can be (and are not limited to): Shallow Muslims, Atheists, Agnostics, or people from other religions.

If some idiots want oppression because they are afraid the uncertainty of freedom, then I do not see why should be stand between these masochistic tendencies as long as it is voluntary? People suffer far worse with masochistic tendencies and are free to do so if it is voluntary.

The problem being that obedience to that religion also requires the imposition of it on others. You aren't really given a choice on dhimmitude.



We aren't "At War with Islam". However, pretending that Islamists have somehow perverted Islam is equally untrue - theirs is a legitimate brand of Islam, if some of their actions are difficult to justify within the case history.
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

Many Americans though want to fight Islamic extremism with Christian extremism.

And we ought to be at war with that religious extremism as well. No extremism ought to be acceptable, no matter what imaginary friend is behind it.
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

The West is at war with some terrorist Muslims but it's not at war with Islam.
 
Is the West at war with Islam?

Seems like Britain may have a problem in a London suburb. If Britain has the will they can deal with it if they want and have the will. If they think the patrol has gone too far and if they are not citizens of the UK, they can deport them. There are also other ways.

But I am still more worried about Washington Laws than Sharia Law.

Be concerned about Washington launch a real law are not mutually exclusive event. You are more than capable of being concerned about both. And I do get that you would be more concerned about a law that directly affects you. But the topic of the thread is not Washington law.

Really my thing is that we should be very leery of sharia law and those who practice. It is fundamentally against that which we believe in Western society. And seeing it expand to somewhere like London, The capital of eight Western democratic nation, that should be at the very least a little disturbing. (Talking specifically about sharia patrol).

What comes to mind to me is the old adage what you tolerate today you accept tomorrow. Sometimes that is good, but other times you should consider that being tolerant of things because of the cultural relativity movement they get you more than you are willing to agree with.
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

Islam is a "hate organization"? :roll:
I can already say this debate and thread is going to go nowhere because of ignorant, broad generalized statements like this.

Exactly where did you expect it to go? Islam is a religion that condones murder. It cannot be denied unless, I suppose, one is a socialist.

Islam and the "Killing of Innocents"
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

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26% of 18-29 y.o. US Muslims believe suicide bombings can be justified.

Extremism itself may be a fringe movement, but Islamism certainly is not. Worldwide, a vast majority of Muslims would actively want Sharia Law to become the law of the land, in the west this proportion is significantly lower, but it is still a massive proportion. It's time to stop the myth that Islamism is a tiny minority of Islam. The tenets of Islamism are not extreme interpretations of the Qur'an and hadiths, they are the standard interpretations.

Now, this all said, the west has been prodding and poking the middle east for decades now. From re-establishing borders to overthrowing one of the most socially progressive and secular leaders the M.E. has ever had in Mossadegh, mostly in an attempt to keep oil cheap for us. I wouldn't be opposed to admitting we have been waging a covert war against the M.E. for almost half a century. You reap what you sow.
 
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Is lynching somehow better than beheading?

Has the KKK lynched anyone in the last 60 years? If so, you liberals kept re-electing a senator to congress year after year in Robert 'the grand Kleagle' Byrd, (D) WV.
 
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Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

I'd say the West has been at war with a lot of developing nations that happen to be Islamic. The West has imposed economic reforms (IMF), and political sanctions on countries which don't play ball with the larger system of commodities and trade. If they continue to not play ball? Military intervention. We saw it in Iran with the CIA (the Shah anyone?), the creation of Israel as a modern state, and the way in which we got into Syria and Libya.

I think the difference between Islamic countries and non-islamic countries we have attacked is that the Islamics have actually fought back against some of our policies. However, they're not alone. Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Mexicans, Sub-Saharan Africans, Asians (China) have all retaliated against Western economic and military aggression at one point or another. There's also a difference that most of those countries didn't have centuries old political and filial relationships that united them under a single cause. I don't think the war we've waged has been necessarily with bad intentions, we've waged it for the same reason the west waged war against China, Africa and South America. When the West attacked China, there was the belief that Chinese people needed to be civilized and brought out of their serfdom kicking and screaming. There was also the less altruistic belief that their resources would benefit the world in general.

I think the same thing is happening here. We have a section of the world which is morally, culturally and religiously retarded (in the actual sense of the word, not the insulting colloquialism) and they do need a bit of a push towards civilization. There is also the fact that a lot of these countries are sitting on a ****load of oil that would benefit a lot of people. I see nothing wrong with waging war against them for those reasons even if that makes me a bit of a neo-con.
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

Has the KKK lynched anyone in the last 60 years? If so, you liberals kept re-electing a senator to congress year after year in Robert 'the grand Kleagle' Byrd, (D) WV.

He finally had to die to get rid of him.
 
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This gets posted every single year, and every single year you keep getting schooled on it to no avail. I guess, it's alright to attack Robert Byrd for being a KKK member, but the founding fathers, who actually owned and most likely beat slaves, are above reproach and should be treated with silk gloves.

Sen. Byrd Apologizes for Racial Epithet - ABC News

Seconds before being asked about race relations, Byrd mentioned his membership in the Ku Klux Klan in the 1940s. He was reacting to the Rev. Jesse Jackson, who recently admitted fathering a child with an employee of his nonprofit organization.

"He made a bad mistake," Byrd said. "We all make mistakes. I made a mistake when I was a young man. It's always been an albatross around my neck, joining the Ku Klux Klan."
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?


What about Byrd?

But Byrd, unlike Thurmond, renounced his youthful participation in a racist cause. See, for example, this exchange with CNN's Bernard Shaw in Dec. 1993:

Q: What has been your biggest mistake and your biggest success?

A: Well, it's easy to state what has been my biggest mistake. The greatest mistake I ever made was joining the Ku Klux Klan. And I've said that many times. But one cannot erase what he has done. He can only change his ways and his thoughts. That was an albatross around my neck that I will always wear. You will read it in my obituary that I was a member of the Ku Klux Klan.

Contrast that with an interview Thurmond gave Joseph Stroud of the Charlotte Observer in July 1998 to commemorate the 50th anniversary of his presidential bid on the segregationist Dixiecrat ticket. Asked if he wanted to apologize, Thurmond said, "I don't have anything to apologize for," and "I don't have any regrets." Asked if he thought the Dixiecrats were right, Thurmond said, "Yes, I do." Thurmond said this four years ago!
 
Re: Is the West at war with Islam?

This gets posted every single year, and every single year you keep getting schooled on it to no avail. I guess, it's alright to attack Robert Byrd for being a KKK member, but the founding fathers, who actually owned and most likely beat slaves, are above reproach and should be treated with silk gloves.

Sen. Byrd Apologizes for Racial Epithet - ABC News

No, but their ideas should be. Just because they didn't live up to them perfectly doesn't mean their ideas were bad. Without those ideas put into play, black history may have played out differently..................TO NAME ONLY ONE ASPECT of America's development for your consideration.
 
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