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Three Hours of Street Harassment in New York

Is street harassment of men an issue?


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In any case, we can carry on with the "Ecofarm's Greatest Hits" playlist later. I'm going to bed. :lol:

I'd prefer to call the episode "Gath's sexist, racist and homophobic BS session", if it's all the same to you.
 
You ARE equating modern America with segregation! Mindless nonsense.

Oh please. Is this more apologism for segregation by claiming it's the same as today?

And you are making some kind of bizarre conglomeration of a straw man argument, red herring, and attempt at poisoning the well all rolled into one in order to cover for your lack of an actual counter argument.

I'm sure that this surprises absolutely no one.

Young adults and young males are not the same thing.

Young adult, males. Don't be dense, Eco. You know full well what I meant.

Now you are dividing a generational contribution to a culture by sex and calling each a distinct culture in and of itself?

(Predominantly white, heterosexual) Male youth Culture.

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(Predominantly white, heterosexual) Female youth culture.

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Again, this isn't exactly controversial stuff here, Eco. :roll:

Look, when you learn what culture and ethnicity mean, let me know.

Ditto.
 
:screwy

Not all men are sexist and not all whites are racist. And equal rights does not "cut" anyone "down".

Such a victim.

Cheers.

What's really funny about the whole thing is that I voted "yes" to the poll and spent time explaining that in my first post. And apparently, no one wants to talk about the way in which men most frequently get harassed. My guess is because it doesn't make Gath a victim.
 
Cheers.

What's really funny about the whole thing is that I voted "yes" to the poll and spent time explaining that in my first post. And apparently, no one wants to talk about the way in which men most frequently get harassed. My guess is because it doesn't make Gath a victim.

No, not really. Certain people in this thread simply happen to be obsessed with trying to apply the "victim" label to anyone with an opinion they dislike, as they imagine that it will, in essence, "shame" them into silence and submission.

I have no shame, so, unfortunately for them, this clearly did not work. :lol:

Seeing as how there are no male homosexuals here, your particular tangent simply didn't really "take off" either, so to speak.

In any case, my ultimate position on this matter is the same as Roguenuke's. There are no "victims" here, other than those who allow themselves to be "victimized" in the first place.

The whole thing is much ado about nothing.
 
No, not really. Certain people in this thread simply happen to be obsessed with trying to apply the "victim" label to anyone who disagrees with their ideology, as a way of essentially "shaming" anyone with an opinion they don't like into silence.

I have no shame, so this clearly did not work. :lol:

Seeing as how there are no male homosexuals here, your particular tangent simply didn't really "take off" either, so to speak.

In any case, my ultimate position here is the same as Roguenuke's. There are no "victims" here, other than those who allow themselves to be "victimized" in the first place..

The whole thing is much ado about nothing.

The only people I think are victims are the ones who wind up dead. I'm not patronizing enough to apply it to people wholesale. But you just want the title so bad.

So because no gay people have shown up in this thread, that means the issue is not worth talking about? Ok.
 
But you just want the title so bad.

I would certainly say that there are people in this thread who are positively chomping at the bit to misapply it.

So because no gay people have shown up in this thread, that means the issue is not worth talking about? Ok.

If you want to talk about it, talk about it. :shrug:

It's no skin off my nose. That's simply not the direction the conversation took.

You have Eco to thank for that, I'm afraid.
 
I would certainly say that there are people in this thread who are positively chomping at the bit to misapply it.

If you want to talk about it, talk about it. :shrug:

It's no skin off my nose. That's simply not the direction the conversation took.

You have Eco to thank for that, I'm afraid.

I tried, in at least 2 or 3 posts directed at you. You ignored it and talked about yourself and minorities.
 
A video create by a fake prank youtube channel that says "model pranksters" in the corner and Gathomas still thinks its actually real. Misogyny really does have a corrosive effect on ones thinking.
 
A video create by a fake prank youtube channel that says "model pranksters" in the corner and Gathomas still thinks its actually real. Misogyny really does have a corrosive effect on ones thinking.

Care to prove that it's fake? :roll:

For that matter, why should I trust a video made by a heavily biased militant feminist group with a clear agenda to push?
 
Is black solidarity racist?

Black solidarity is not racist. It represents the struggle of minorities to overcome systemic privilege and establish themselves as full members of society. This, of course, is not the goal of white solidarity. White solidarity does not seek equality and justice, it seeks to perpetuate and further impose systemic privilege.

Can you see the difference? Or is social context just too much for you to include in examining the issue.
 
Black solidarity is not racist. It represents the struggle of minorities to overcome systemic privilege and establish themselves as full members of society. This, of course, is not the goal of white solidarity. White solidarity does not seek equality and justice, it seeks to perpetuate and further impose systemic privilege.

Can you see the difference? Or is social context just too much for you to include in examining the issue.

BS. If one is racist then the other is. If one isn't then the other isn't. Racism has NOTHING to do with groups. It is how one person views another race. Your continued BS in this arena is nothing more than an attempt to excuse racism for one group while decrying it against another group. Its dishonest and does not reflect reality on Planet Earth in the slightest.
 
Yes, men get harassed... mostly by other men, and mostly for non-sexual reasons.


Most of it is some form of territory marking or dominance challenge, or reputation-seeking behavior, expressions of competitive drives, or just high-spirited assertions of individual manliness. Most of it is done by and to younger men... say under 35.


Older men do similar things too, just with more subtlety and far less frequency.


Many of these behaviors are substitutes for more aggressive or violent behaviors, such as actual combat. Just as with animals, human males have rituals by which territory and status can be established without necessarily having to resort to actual combat, which is risky and disruptive.


Interestingly a lot of street harassment can be avoided by being aware of what it really is (see above) and acting in accord with local behavioral standards. For instance, when I am working in the 'hood, I act in certain ways that conform to the local standards of behavior. I don't mean that I turn on rap, slouch my pants and try to act black, LOL.... no, that would be stupid and would in fact invite trouble. Instead I have observed and emulated the social rituals engaged in by the locals, particularly those in my age group who appear to be able to get along with everyone. Accordingly, I smile and wave at EVERYONE, speak in a friendly manner to EVERYONE that comes within 20', use certain "stock" phrases that the locals use in conversation (at least those I can emulate without sounding like a stupid wannabe), and so on. I make eye contact but smile while doing so, and try to not be in too much of a rush that I can't exchange a friendly quip or two with anyone so inclined. In the local "hood", this is considered "giving proper respect". Equally important of course is not coming across like a lightweight or someone easily "punked", but that isn't a problem for me. Challenges are answered with a verbal sidestep, often a joking quip, that avoids direct confrontation without indicating weakness... a manner that says "I won't start none if you don't start none."

I rarely have any trouble in "da hood".
 
What's really sad is that you won't have to worry about 'cat calls' indefinitely. :(
 
Yes, men get harassed... mostly by other men, and mostly for non-sexual reasons.


Most of it is some form of territory marking or dominance challenge, or reputation-seeking behavior, expressions of competitive drives, or just high-spirited assertions of individual manliness. Most of it is done by and to younger men... say under 35.


Older men do similar things too, just with more subtlety and far less frequency.


Many of these behaviors are substitutes for more aggressive or violent behaviors, such as actual combat. Just as with animals, human males have rituals by which territory and status can be established without necessarily having to resort to actual combat, which is risky and disruptive.


Interestingly a lot of street harassment can be avoided by being aware of what it really is (see above) and acting in accord with local behavioral standards. For instance, when I am working in the 'hood, I act in certain ways that conform to the local standards of behavior. I don't mean that I turn on rap, slouch my pants and try to act black, LOL.... no, that would be stupid and would in fact invite trouble. Instead I have observed and emulated the social rituals engaged in by the locals, particularly those in my age group who appear to be able to get along with everyone. Accordingly, I smile and wave at EVERYONE, speak in a friendly manner to EVERYONE that comes within 20', use certain "stock" phrases that the locals use in conversation (at least those I can emulate without sounding like a stupid wannabe), and so on. I make eye contact but smile while doing so, and try to not be in too much of a rush that I can't exchange a friendly quip or two with anyone so inclined. In the local "hood", this is considered "giving proper respect". Equally important of course is not coming across like a lightweight or someone easily "punked", but that isn't a problem for me. Challenges are answered with a verbal sidestep, often a joking quip, that avoids direct confrontation without indicating weakness... a manner that says "I won't start none if you don't start none."

I rarely have any trouble in "da hood".

Just a suggestion...chrome rims and hydraulics on your cruiser! Street cred up to here.
 


Apparently, New Yorkers are just kind of creepy and impolite people in general.
Who'd have thunk it, huh? :lol:

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My bad. I forgot to add the poll. I'll see if a mod can't fix it. lol



I found New Yorkers to be polite and helpful 47 years ago. Maybe it's changed since then.
 
BS. If one is racist then the other is. If one isn't then the other isn't. Racism has NOTHING to do with groups. It is how one person views another race. Your continued BS in this arena is nothing more than an attempt to excuse racism for one group while decrying it against another group. Its dishonest and does not reflect reality on Planet Earth in the slightest.

So you really do not understand how black solidarity is about an equal society and white solidarity is about oppression? Well, then there's no way to reach you.

Viewing racism from an individual perspective alone is ignorant. Racial bigotry is an individual act, racism is not. You need to increase your understanding.

Good day.
 
Care to prove that it's fake? :roll:

They are youtube prank channel. One of their "pranks" involve a guy pulling a fake gun on random people. Either they are committing felonies on camera or they stage their videos, like most other pranks on the internet. Either way, you are trusting the word of a criminal or a fraud.

For that matter, why should I trust a video made by a heavily biased militant feminist group with a clear agenda to push?

Unless you are truly delusional, you should already accept that women get harassed on the streets. The video isn't proof, its just calling attention to a phenomenon that clearly already exists.
 
So you really do not understand how black solidarity is about an equal society and white solidarity is about oppression? Well, then there's no way to reach you.

White solidarity is no more about oppression than black solidarity is about an equal society. Solidarity can be about anything. It means to be in agreement across a group. It doesn't matter what the agreement is about. And last I checked with the exception of a very few limited groups whites over all, majority wise, do not want to oppress any race. If you think otherwise then feel free to prove that is what white solidarity is about. And then you can prove to me that black solidarity is about nothing more than equal rights.

Viewing racism from an individual perspective alone is ignorant. Racial bigotry is an individual act, racism is not. You need to increase your understanding.

Good day.

Racial bigotry and racism is the same thing. You want to assign them different definitions and values however when that simply is not how it is in reality. I don't need to increase my understanding as it is just fine. You however need to stop adding your own definitions to fit your world view.

Good day.
 
White solidarity is no more about oppression than black solidarity is about an equal society. Solidarity can be about anything.

No, it's defined by social dynamics and systemic privilege being perpetuated or not. Your "everything is the same" and "individual actions occur in a vacuum" is just ignorance. It's easy to see that your premise is BS. You abandon all context and social understanding in order to create a false equivalence in which racism is supposedly ok because minorities organize for a more equal society. Your entire paradigm is based on "us vs. them" and not improving society. It's myopic and maniacally self centered.

It is impossible for you to consider a social perspective? I guess that explains why social issues are a mystery for you. You pretend society does not exist and all individual actions take place in a void.

Racial bigotry and racism is the same thing.

Gross ignorance.

Why do you want to ignore all of history, social dynamics and the very real oppression that continues to exist in society today. Oh, I know! So that you can blame the plight of minorities on inferiority?
 
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Apparently, New Yorkers are just kind of creepy and impolite people in general.

Who'd have thunk it, huh? :lol:

Edit:

My bad. I forgot to add the poll. I'll see if a mod can't fix it. lol


I found the crudest behavior to be by the guys, actually.
 
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