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How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

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WCH said:
Heads Up! This was produced by an international feminist organization called "Hollaback" [just as I suspected]
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They did not, in any way shape or form, hide the fact that it's a PSA made by an advocacy group. The end of the video explicitly refers to Hollaback. The CNN article mentions it right away.

But good to see you were paying attention. ;)
 
Dragonfly said:
What 10 hours of street harassment looks like - CNN.com



Now some of it is outright harassment, but is all of it?

Please watch the rather short video.
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On an individual basis (example: I leave the house - one person does one thing from the above) some of it isn't harassment.

But it's the frequency - the longevity of the remarks and comments - that accumulate. It would be the equivalent of everyone you meet making fun of you for being short or something. A single joke might not be a big deal - but everyone? A mental exhaustion that piles up and weighs you down.

But for her the incidences that would have really bothered me were the 'walk along-sides' . . . what in the actual ****? Creepy and irritating. Note how none of the males in any of those clips had some woman tagging alongside him. Gross. I'm glad I don't live in the city.
 
WCH said:
You got that riight. People in Texas and other red states were actually taught manners.
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So let me get this straight.

The video in question is feminist propaganda, so it's not real. But Texans are better than New Yorkers, because they allegedly don't harass women on the street. But it's still wrong for women to complain about getting harassed on the street, even though the men who do so lack manners.

Riiiight.
 
Visbek said:
Please. They could do a dozen videos, showing the same thing, without any editing, and someone would still nit-pick.



Yes, because it is perfectly normal for two people to be walking in the exact same direction for five minutes, right along side each other, when they are total strangers. :roll:

C'mon. It's creepy.
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So it's also perfectly normal that only minorities catcall and harass women? Or just no white men in NYC? No bias or agenda there either.


Yes, it is creepy for some guy to walk next to you but without seeing it in the entire context, it's hard to say what the situation was, or no? Do you just take what someone says with 10 seconds of footage and believe it?
 
Catcalling video: Hollaback's look at street harassment in NYC edited out the white guys.


The video is a collaboration between Hollaback, an anti-street harassment organization, and the marketing agency Rob Bliss Creative. At the end they claim the woman experienced 100-plus incidents of harassment “involving people of all backgrounds.” Since that obviously doesn’t show up in the video, Bliss addressed it in a post. He wrote, “We got a fair amount of white guys, but for whatever reason, a lot of what they said was in passing, or off camera,” or was ruined by a siren or other noise. The final product, he writes, “is not a perfect representation of everything that happened.” That may be true but if you find yourself editing out all the catcalling white guys, maybe you should try another take.

This is not the first time Bliss has been called out for race blindness. In a video to promote Grand Rapids, Michigan, he was criticized for making a city that’s a third minority and a quarter poor look like it was filled with people who have “been reincarnated from those peppy family-style 1970s musical acts from Disney World or Knott’s Berry Farm,” as a local blogger wrote.

Activism is never perfectly executed. We can just conclude that they caught a small slice of catcallers, and lots of other men do it, too. But if the point of this video is to teach men about the day-to-day reality of women, then this video doesn’t hit its target. The men who are sitting in their offices or in cafes watching this video will instead be able to comfortably assure themselves that they don’t have time to sit on hydrants in the middle of the day and can’t properly pronounce “mami.” They might do things to women that are worse than catcalling, but this is not their sin.
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Now don't get me wrong, I am not blasting or denying street harassment, I have had my own fair share of it but I don't think this video itself is necessarily a fair representation of it.
 
In places like that, I'm trying to understand why it took ten hrs, it's not unrealistic to get a dozen or so comments within an hour.
 
HELLO?!?!?!?!?!?!?

WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY HERE?!?!?!!

Now, I bet you all understand what the burqa is for, eh? :wink2:
 
"Don't objectify me, but check out my exceptional tits. BTW I'm available." :lamo
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I haven't responded to you in a year or more. I just wanted to see if your posts were still insurmountably illogical. They are. Carry on.
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You haven't responded because you can not refute what has been said, so of course you deflect by improperly focusing on the deliver and not the message.
Unfortunately what you have said is wrong.
Your post and now this reply was the only insurmountably illogical one made as shown by the information provided.
There was no harassment, or sexual harassment.
 
eohrnberger said:
So, when the excessive politically correct inevitably land on this, make it a campaign issue, the resulting legislation is that women will / should receive no attention from men under fear of criminal prosecution.

This end result is better how exactly? Cutting off a possible start of discourse, possibly leading to mutually consenting conversation.

If a woman want's to be ignored, there's ways to dress and behave for that.
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No, there actually isn't.
 
americanwoman said:
So it's also perfectly normal that only minorities catcall and harass women?
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From the Hollaback page on this video:

It’s important to keep in mind that is this video only captures verbal harassment, and Rob and Shoshana can attest to the harassment overall falling evenly along race and class lines. While filming, Shoshana noted, “I’m harassed when I smile and I’m harassed when I don’t. I’m harassed by white men, black men, latino men. Not a day goes by when I don’t experience this.”

The site has dozens of similar stories, and race is really not a factor.


No bias or agenda there either.
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It's pretty clear that this group does not make any racist statements, so: No. No agenda there. Their explicitly stated goal is to reduce street harassment, regardless of the characteristics of the harasser.


Yes, it is creepy for some guy to walk next to you but without seeing it in the entire context, it's hard to say what the situation was, or no?
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No, it's not hard at all. It's freaking creepy. I'm male and it creeps me out. If someone started walking right next to me like that, within 30 seconds I'd be telling him to **** off.
 
kerussll said:
No, there actually isn't.
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Sure there is. It just depends on your audience. For instance, if I'm talking to a woman? Who ends all her sentences with upward inflection? So it sounds like everything is a question? Or who speaks in text? Like... OMG LOL? Or says "like" a lot?

Yeah. I'm walking away from that.
 
tech30528 said:
Sure there is. It just depends on your audience. For instance, if I'm talking to a woman? Who ends all her sentences with upward inflection? So it sounds like everything is a question? Or who speaks in text? Like... OMG LOL? Or says "like" a lot?

Yeah. I'm walking away from that.
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Yeah, ok, so if I talk like a ditz guys will stop yelling at me on the street? I guess I could beat them to the punch and just run down the street every day yelling "OMG LOL, like totally!" Thanks, problem solved. Why didn't I think of that?
 
kerussll said:
No, there actually isn't.
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Well, there is, but most women that I know, don't really want to. They want to be noticed, and they want to look good. If I don't want to attract attention, I dress conservatively, and it's pretty easy to do. It doesn't guarantee that you're not going to be noticed, but it does seem to send a signal that you're not interested, and I'd say that the vast majority of people, male or female, understand the non-verbal cues.
 
lizzie said:
Well, there is, but most women that I know, don't really want to. They want to be noticed, and they want to look good. If I don't want to attract attention, I dress conservatively, and it's pretty easy to do. It doesn't guarantee that you're not going to be noticed, but it does seem to send a signal that you're not interested, and I'd say that the vast majority of people, male or female, understand the non-verbal cues.
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Not to be rude Lizzie, but it's my understanding you're quite a bit older than me, so I don't doubt you don't see that as much as younger women do. I do dress very conservatively most days. My standard outfit is jeans and a t shirt. I don't have large breasts to "flaunt" and I don't wear tight skinny jeans because I find them uncomfortable. Did you miss my post about how I've been harassed wearing a winter coat? Because that has happened. Multiple times. And I'm not talking about some guy just saying hello, or telling me I'm pretty. Sometimes it's just that guys stare at me for a long time and my creep meter goes up a bit. Other times I've had disgusting things said to me, or been followed down the sidewalk after I've made it clear I don't want to talk to someone. I've even been grabbed on the street. It's scary and it's humiliating at the same time. I'm glad these things haven't happened to you, but I find it really insulting you want to put the blame on me for them happening. I have done nothing to invite this behavior, and neither has the girl wearing a skirt who does want to look cute that day. Please stop and take a second to think about what your comments are really saying.
 
kerussll said:
Not to be rude Lizzie, but it's my understanding you're quite a bit older than me, so I don't doubt you don't see that as much as younger women do. I do dress very conservatively most days. My standard outfit is jeans and a t shirt. I don't have large breasts to "flaunt" and I don't wear tight skinny jeans because I find them uncomfortable. Did you miss my post about how I've been harassed wearing a winter coat? Because that has happened. Multiple times. And I'm not talking about some guy just saying hello, or telling me I'm pretty. Sometimes it's just that guys stare at me for a long time and my creep meter goes up a bit. Other times I've had disgusting things said to me, or been followed down the sidewalk after I've made it clear I don't want to talk to someone. I've even been grabbed on the street. It's scary and it's humiliating at the same time. I'm glad these things haven't happened to you, but I find it really insulting you want to put the blame on me for them happening. I have done nothing to invite this behavior, and neither has the girl wearing a skirt who does want to look cute that day. Please stop and take a second to think about what your comments are really saying.
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Who is blaming you for anything? I said that if I don't want to attract attention, I dress conservatively. Maybe you just live around a different caliber of men than I am accustomed to, or maybe manners are better where I live, but around here, the way a woman dresses, and the way she projects her image, make a huge difference. And yeah, I'm older than you, and yeah, I still get looks. Fortunately, I am not insulted by it, nor am I intimidated.
 
kerussll said:
Not to be rude Lizzie, but it's my understanding you're quite a bit older than me, so I don't doubt you don't see that as much as younger women do. I do dress very conservatively most days. My standard outfit is jeans and a t shirt. I don't have large breasts to "flaunt" and I don't wear tight skinny jeans because I find them uncomfortable. Did you miss my post about how I've been harassed wearing a winter coat? Because that has happened. Multiple times. And I'm not talking about some guy just saying hello, or telling me I'm pretty. Sometimes it's just that guys stare at me for a long time and my creep meter goes up a bit. Other times I've had disgusting things said to me, or been followed down the sidewalk after I've made it clear I don't want to talk to someone. I've even been grabbed on the street. It's scary and it's humiliating at the same time. I'm glad these things haven't happened to you, but I find it really insulting you want to put the blame on me for them happening. I have done nothing to invite this behavior, and neither has the girl wearing a skirt who does want to look cute that day. Please stop and take a second to think about what your comments are really saying.
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You sure covered a lot of territory that you seem to consider to be "harassment". Just because a guy looks your way doesn't mean he's fantasizing about ****ing you.
 
Lutherf said:
You sure covered a lot of territory that you seem to consider to be "harassment". Just because a guy looks your way doesn't mean he's fantasizing about ****ing you.
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Right, and just because black people are followed all around stores while they shop doesn't mean they're being stereotyped in any way at all. :roll:
 
Visbek said:
It's pretty clear that this group does not make any racist statements, so: No. No agenda there. Their explicitly stated goal is to reduce street harassment, regardless of the characteristics of the harasser.
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It's not about racist statements, it's the way the video is edited showing mostly minority men harassing a white women. She says it was all men but the video funnily enough doesn't reflect it. But as a man keep telling me as a woman who has experienced it over and over again how it is.


See the video below, it's a little more objective when dealing with street harassment.


paddymcdougall said:
And for those who don't like the source, how about this?

Jessica's Feminized Atmosphere - The Daily Show - Video Clip | Comedy Central
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