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How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

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Wait until she's old and fat, and no men notice her anymore. And yes, it will happen, and she will look back on this fondly and wish it was still happening.

When I was young and pretty and blonde i always got catcalls and comments and "Hey babe" and all that ****. I worked in Newark NJ for a few years, and as a blonde woman in her early 20s I not only got it from other business people but I also got followed and all that by the homeless and the drug thugs who permeated that city. BFD.

This whole video thing was a joke. 2 minutes out of 10 hours, and the entire snipping was made to make men look like idiots.

I miss the days that I attracted the attention of men, and I look pretty damn good for 52 years old, married to the same guy for a quarter of a century and having 3 kids. It simply doesn't happen anymore especially when there are young girls wearing tight shirts and miniskirts on the same sidewalk.

Harassment. WTF is up with the misuse of that word. Harassment of a woman involves sending her unwanted messages, waiting outside her place of business for her, kidnapping and killing her cat, sending dead roses in the mail....this isn't harassment. This was a joke and not even a funny one.
 
Dragonfly said:
Uh...you got some facts, or a video, or a link, or something to back up this ridiculous claim?
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No I don't have a video of a women whistling at a good looking male, and making comments equivalent to those some of the men made in this video to the woman. I don't know anyone who would waste their time to produce one. But you certainly can find such behavior from women in public places. The difference is when a man does it, it is called harassment by the standards set in this video. When a women does it, it is called being friendly. Some of the things in the film were clearly harassment but much of it was no different than how some women behave toward men. Double standards.
 
tres borrachos said:
Wait until she's old and fat, and no men notice her anymore. And yes, it will happen, and she will look back on this fondly and wish it was still happening.

When I was young and pretty and blonde i always got catcalls and comments and "Hey babe" and all that ****. I worked in Newark NJ for a few years, and as a blonde woman in her early 20s I not only got it from other business people but I also got followed and all that by the homeless and the drug thugs who permeated that city. BFD.

This whole video thing was a joke. 2 minutes out of 10 hours, and the entire snipping was made to make men look like idiots.

I miss the days that I attracted the attention of men, and I look pretty damn good for 52 years old, married to the same guy for a quarter of a century and having 3 kids. It simply doesn't happen anymore especially when there are young girls wearing tight shirts and miniskirts on the same sidewalk.

Harassment. WTF is up with the misuse of that word. Harassment of a woman involves sending her unwanted messages, waiting outside her place of business for her, kidnapping and killing her cat, sending dead roses in the mail....this isn't harassment. This was a joke and not even a funny one.
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Love this post.

I just found the whole video rather weird. I don't live in the US, never been to NY but i imagine in a City of over 8 million people, there would be an abundance of very attractive girls walking at various times around the City. These guys are acting as though they have never seen an attractive girl before in their life. Just bizzare. It's obviously been heavily edited to paint males as creepy and isn't a true indication of how men in NYC act when they come face to face with an attractive female as a whole.
 
Dragonfly said:
So you don't like people who perform social experiments?
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It's not that. (she's a theater major with a black belt) but, in her own biography she exploits the fact she has 34DD breasts yet she wants people to ignore her body in public. Besides, I seen these sort of 'social experiments before. IMO she's a man hater.

Shoshana B. Roberts - Actress
 
Serenity said:
Love this post.

I just found the whole video rather weird. I don't live in the US, never been to NY but i imagine in a City of over 8 million people, there would be an abundance of very attractive girls walking at various times around the City. These guys are acting as though they have never seen an attractive girl before in their life. Just bizzare. It's obviously been heavily edited to paint males as creepy and isn't a true indication of how men in NYC act when they come face to face with an attractive female as a whole.
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I agree, it was heavily edited! No idea where you live Serenity, but NYC in my opinion is one of those places that you "must see" before you die. I grew up in NJ and could see the skyline from my bedroom. It's an amazing place.
 
This video may be reflective of NYC but it is not reflective of main stream America. This is what you get in a liberal city. Try this in my town and some cowboy is going to punch you in the mouth.
 
I have not had a chance to watch the video yet, but a friend of mine pointed out that there are no white guys leering or making comments. Is it possible that she walked for all that time in NYC and never encountered a white male at all? Or, were they edited out? My cynical being says they were edited out. For what reason, I will leave to you to ponder.

One point mentioned by many here is that some men merely said "hello", or some other 'friendly' variant. Implying, of course, that a simple friendly greeting is not harassment. Well, depends. Are those specific men friendly by nature? Do they say 'hello' to everybody, regardless of gender or attractiveness, or only to what they deem to be hot women?
 
Dragonfly said:
Seriously? You don't get that analogy at all????

As a man, you know what it's like for a woman to walk alone down crowded city streets?
As a white guy, you know what it's like to be black?

You don't see how that's rather silly?
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So, as a woman, and not being able to understand the male POV because you haven't "been there, done that", your conclusion regarding the men's motivations is just as irrelevant, right?

No, I don't really believe that. I just used it as my own dismissal of the "you had to have been there, done that" discussion point. It cuts both ways, hence it doesn't mean what users want it to mean. Experience helps, sure, but it's not the be all and end all. Not only can thinking considerate people have valid conclusions as well, sometimes not being too close to a situations allows one to be more objective because they're less emotionally invested.
 
tres borrachos said:
Wait until she's old and fat, and no men notice her anymore. And yes, it will happen, and she will look back on this fondly and wish it was still happening.

When I was young and pretty and blonde i always got catcalls and comments and "Hey babe" and all that ****. I worked in Newark NJ for a few years, and as a blonde woman in her early 20s I not only got it from other business people but I also got followed and all that by the homeless and the drug thugs who permeated that city. BFD.

This whole video thing was a joke. 2 minutes out of 10 hours, and the entire snipping was made to make men look like idiots.

I miss the days that I attracted the attention of men, and I look pretty damn good for 52 years old, married to the same guy for a quarter of a century and having 3 kids. It simply doesn't happen anymore especially when there are young girls wearing tight shirts and miniskirts on the same sidewalk.

Harassment. WTF is up with the misuse of that word. Harassment of a woman involves sending her unwanted messages, waiting outside her place of business for her, kidnapping and killing her cat, sending dead roses in the mail....this isn't harassment. This was a joke and not even a funny one.
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If she indeed walked for 10 full hours, and if all they could get was 2 minutes of "worthy" video, then maybe the problem isn't all that bad after all. Maybe all they did was demonstrate the exception to the rule, not the rule itself.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
One more comment. I think a lot of men don't realize that many women have the threat of being sexually assaulted in the back of their mind much of time that they are walking by themselves. Men tend to be larger than most women so size alone can be scary, but then consider the added fear of assault and you can understand why some women are, at the least, uncomfortable by "catcalls". (What if I don't respond the right way? Is he going to follow me? If I smile, will he take that as an invitation and then get mad when I tell him "no"?)
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I think you may be spot-on, here.
 
lizzie said:
It definitely was, and if it had been me, I would have stopped abruptly, looked him directly in the eyes, and asked him what he wanted. That is another reason that I know this video was just a set-up. She didn't portray responses that looked real to me. The guys were young men, for the most part. They weren't older, responsible-looking men who had regular jobs, apparently.
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We also don't know much of the context either, only how it was edited to portray. Maybe that guy just happened to be walking in the same direction she was going for five minutes. When they showed a shot of him with the caption that he was following her for five minutes and was right next to her, they were in what looked like a construction area and he may just happened to have walked next to her during that shot only. He didn't seem like he was overly trying to harass her all we had was that he was only following her for five minutes but we really don't know the exact circumstances. I know I hate when it happens I am going the same way as someone and it looks like I'm following them when I'm really not - it happens.
 
Visbek said:
The title of the VIDEO is: "10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman"

The creators of the video are not responsible for CNN's headlines. And the creators are being very clear that they edited 10 hours of walking down to 2 minutes.



And maybe... just maybe... the point is that you SHOULDN'T be treated that way, in ANY part of town.
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exactly!

for those saying "just 2 minutes" - how many of us would have watched a longer video? would you have watched 5 min of the creepy guy walking next to her? Yes, they edited it down, but I'm betting there was more stuff in the full 10 hours; they just gave us a sampler.

And while some of the comments might not seem too bad - the thing is just how many there are. Just over and over and over and over. A constant rain of comments about her, her looks, her body, how she should be talking to them, etc. It's constant. It's not just one guy once in awhile. It's over and over.

From Mark Morford's column, SFGATE.com
( Don )

All told, they caught upwards of 100 examples of harassment in 10 short hours, ranging from smarmy, offhand “compliments” to full-blown leers, not to mention accusations, entitlements, pleas for attention running from creepy to gross to downright dangerous,
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and

I asked my own girlfriend, who walks to her office every day from the center of the City to the Embarcadero (nearly and hour), and who I already know puts up with all sorts of creepy BS on the way, if this video matched her experience. She didn’t even hesitate:

“Yep – that’s my morning walk. Less so when I get past Montgomery Street [SF’s Financial District], but only because at that point everyone’s totally self-absorbed, staring into their cellphones. But yes, I experience that every day. And a fair amount of ‘compliments’ are immediately followed by crude insults, like the guy who was smiling at me with creepy intensity, and said ‘good morning’… when I didn’t respond he spun around and yelled, “C–NT!”
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paddymcdougall said:
exactly!

for those saying "just 2 minutes" - how many of us would have watched a longer video? would you have watched 5 min of the creepy guy walking next to her? Yes, they edited it down, but I'm betting there was more stuff in the full 10 hours; they just gave us a sampler.
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Most people have a short attention span, sure, and one should always be conscious of that when making a point, but I think more than just 2 minutes, if available, would have driven home the point more effectively.

Maybe making two versions available... a full version and a "sound bite" version. Then, at least, the full info is there to shoot down the point that it might be deceptively edited.
 
WCH said:
Heads Up!

This was produced by an international feminist organization called "Hollaback" [just as I suspected]

Hollaback! You have the power to end street harassment*|* About

As this guy point out, nothing but bilge.

Saying Hi To a Woman = Harassment? Yes According to Feminists (10 Hours of Walking In NYC As a Woman - YouTube
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I knew it had to be a leftist feminist group behind the video as it had all the ear markings. While they like to claim it is a 'war on women', in actuality it is their 'war on men'.
 
Dragonfly said:
What 10 hours of street harassment looks like - CNN.com



Now some of it is outright harassment, but is all of it?

Please watch the rather short video.
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I've seen this video, and yes most of this is harassment. This is something that men don't experience, and can't really relate to. Imagine this is your regular day. Every day. No matter what you are wearing. (I've been harassed plenty of times wearing a winter coat, no makeup, and hair in a ponytail) It just gets really old, and it's rude at best, scary at worst. Whether you want to call it harassment or just annoying doesn't really matter. It shouldn't happen.
 
lifeisshort said:
This video may be reflective of NYC but it is not reflective of main stream America. This is what you get in a liberal city. Try this in my town and some cowboy is going to punch you in the mouth.
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They do this when other men aren't around on purpose.
 
QUOTE=vesper;1063925851]I knew it had to be a leftist feminist group behind the video as it had all the ear markings. While they like to claim it is a 'war on women', in actuality it is their 'war on men'.[/QUOTE]

lifeisshort said:
This video may be reflective of NYC but it is not reflective of main stream America. This is what you get in a liberal city. Try this in my town and some cowboy is going to punch you in the mouth.
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You got that riight. People in Texas and other red states were actually taught manners.
 
radcen said:
Most people have a short attention span, sure, and one should always be conscious of that when making a point, but I think more than just 2 minutes, if available, would have driven home the point more effectively.

Maybe making two versions available... a full version and a "sound bite" version. Then, at least, the full info is there to shoot down the point that it might be deceptively edited.
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Two versions would have been good, I agree.

And no, to other posters -this isn't about a feminist war on men. Would you like YOUR daughter, sister, mother, wife, to go through this - every day? They are going through this, by the way. How often depends how often they are out and about. And no, the answer isn't to keep them home or make them wear a burka. The answer is for men to learn - from other men, from their parents, from their peers - that this isn't appropriate.

As krussll says
I've seen this video, and yes most of this is harassment. This is something that men don't experience, and can't really relate to. Imagine this is your regular day. Every day. No matter what you are wearing. (I've been harassed plenty of times wearing a winter coat, no makeup, and hair in a ponytail) It just gets really old, and it's rude at best, scary at worst. Whether you want to call it harassment or just annoying doesn't really matter. It shouldn't happen.
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lizzie said:
I watched that last night, and had some mixed emotions about it. Much of it was just sort of mindless annoying behavior, by men who probably had no clue they were being jackasses. If it were me, I wouldn't have put myself in the position of being treated that way, in a couple of different ways. I wouldn't have walked the city wearing what she was wearing, and I wouldn't have done it alone. I not even in NYC, but in Texas, and I'm a good bit older than the woman in the vid, but I have the sense not to essentially ask for that type of treatment by men.

I'm sure that the point of the video was probably to shame men for acting like asses, but seriously, by looking at the men in the video, who acted like they did, I wouldn't expect otherwise. Put the woman doing a similar "experiment" on Wall Street, and you'll very likely get a completely different result.
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Put her in North St. Louis or South Chicago and I guarantee there would be a different result....and a crime scene.
 
lizzie said:
There are many things that shouldn't happen, but they do anyway.
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Uh, yes... And since this is one of those things, why is it a problem to illustrate the issue?


Forgive me if I dont take a biased video, made with the purpose of making men look like assholesl quite as seriously as other more pressing issues.
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Oy.

The purpose isn't to "make all men look like assholes." The purpose is to point out that street harassment happens, and that it's routine.

It's the exact same thing Jessica Williams called out on the Daily Show recently. Is she also trying to make "all men look like assholes," because she (and a lot of other women) don't like being subjected, on a daily basis, to things that "shouldn't happen, but do anyway" ? (Jessica's Feminized Atmosphere - The Daily Show - Video Clip | Comedy Central)
 
BrewerBob said:
The problem is most self described MRAs are douches, which detracts from some of the good points they have, such as bias in family courts.
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Well, I find most men who call MRA's douches, are douches because they put women on pedestals and let them walk all over them and think that is quite alright. They condone bad female behavior by defending it (commonly called white knighting). Behavior which, if it occurred among men, the man acting out would get knocked out and everyone would agree they had it coming. But since its a female, everyone jumps in to "save her" from her own bad conduct. In the end it sends the message that women can act however they want and there will always be some douche around to keep her out of trouble.
 
WCH said:
Heads Up!

This was produced by an international feminist organization called "Hollaback" [just as I suspected]

Hollaback! You have the power to end street harassment*|* About

As this guy point out, nothing but bilge.

Saying Hi To a Woman = Harassment? Yes According to Feminists (10 Hours of Walking In NYC As a Woman - YouTube
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So, when the excessive politically correct inevitably land on this, make it a campaign issue, the resulting legislation is that women will / should receive no attention from men under fear of criminal prosecution.

This end result is better how exactly? Cutting off a possible start of discourse, possibly leading to mutually consenting conversation.

If a woman want's to be ignored, there's ways to dress and behave for that.
 
americanwoman said:
We also don't know much of the context either, only how it was edited to portray....
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Please. They could do a dozen videos, showing the same thing, without any editing, and someone would still nit-pick.


Maybe that guy just happened to be walking in the same direction she was going for five minutes.
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Yes, because it is perfectly normal for two people to be walking in the exact same direction for five minutes, right along side each other, when they are total strangers. :roll:

C'mon. It's creepy.
 
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