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How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

How Much Of This Is Truly Harassment????

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Henrin said:
I suppose, but in my experience anyway most of the women that complain about this stuff are not so much offended over the behavior, but offended over who is giving them attention. Ironically, their boyfriends are usually no better than the guys they reject giving them attention.
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The ones that confound me are the women that dress provocatively or to get attention and when they attract a guys attention they act holier than thou and act offended.
 
lizzie said:
I don't blame you, and I would have felt the same way. I'm just saying it isn't unusual among a certain class of people.
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I realize you weren't,.. all good.

I agree. When guys around me did that I would literally cringe at times. It is embarrassing to act like so childish. If you want a woman's attention you can use humour (what I do) or just talk to her.
 
Bodhisattva said:
The ones that confound me are the women that dress provocatively or to get attention and when they attract a guys attention they act holier than thou and act offended.
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Coming back to the blame for guys acting like a-holes falling squarely on the girl.
 
Bodhisattva said:
When guys around me did that I would literally cringe at times.
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Would you ever say something like:

Hey jerkwad, that's somebodies daughter. How'd you like it if somebody was treating your daughter like that???? Why don't you stop acting like an animal and have a little respect?
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lizzie said:
The entire thing was staged and appears to be set up to make men look like assholes.
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How was it "staged?"

All she did was walk around. She didn't engage the men, she didn't encourage them. She wasn't wearing a low-cut dress, or a translucent top. She didn't make them do anything. The men made themselves look like asses.


I don't care personally, but it really is men acting like men, and the difference between you and them is that you have the sense to keep it to yourself, just as I do, when I see a man that I find sexy and attractive. It's lewd, but certainly nothing unusual.
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And the merit is in not acting on that impulse.
 
Visbek said:
How was it "staged?"

All she did was walk around. She didn't engage the men, she didn't encourage them. She wasn't wearing a low-cut dress, or a translucent top. She didn't make them do anything. The men made themselves look like asses.



And the merit is in not acting on that impulse.
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She was making an attempt to show men as assholes. THis wasn't some woman who just happened to be walking around the city for 10 hours, with someone videotaping her, and every man she passed made passes at her. The video was edited to show the men who were being asses, and my guess is that the ones who were decent (who probably far outnumbered the asses) were edited out.
 
Bodhisattva said:
The ones that confound me are the women that dress provocatively or to get attention and when they attract a guys attention they act holier than thou and act offended.
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What confounds me is how some guys think when a woman dresses sexy that she is doing it for the men's sake. Women can dress up for their own sake.
 
Dragonfly said:
Coming back to the blame for guys acting like a-holes falling squarely on the girl.
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Not really. The guys are acting like jerks if they are acting like jerks. That doesn't mean that attention that she wants and gets proves the guys were acting like jerks though.

Would you ever say something like:
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Not in my single twenties... no. What I did do was to use other guys assholishness to my advantage with humor or scorn in order to meet girls though
 
BrewerBob said:
What confounds me is how some guys think when a woman dresses sexy that she is doing it for the men's sake. Women can dress up for their own sake.
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Some guys do that... true. That is why I clearly differentiating.
 
Visbek said:
How was it "staged?"

All she did was walk around. She didn't engage the men, she didn't encourage them. She wasn't wearing a low-cut dress, or a translucent top. She didn't make them do anything. The men made themselves look like asses.



And the merit is in not acting on that impulse.
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Because in a city of 9 million people she had a couple of hundred possible incidents most of which are nothing but she used this to make men look bad anyway...
 
Alright I watched the video. Out of all the comments/incidents I scored 11 to be harassment and 15 that should never have been included in a video that was suppose to show harassment. If this is the best whatever organization is trying to prove women being harassed in NYC after walking the streets of ten friggen hours, then NYC doesn't have a problem.

Can we talk? I have been out with the girlfriends, where I have witnessed things coming out of their mouths that are not any worse than most of the comments on this video yet I don't see CNN posting a dang video on harassment of men. Just let a hunk-a-li-cious male walk across the floor during "happy hour" across this land and you will hear whistles coming from women, and comments like " oh baby where have you been all my life", "come to mama". This video was to promote an agenda to further claim men are insensitive bastards, a part of the war on women. What a bunch of crap. According to these standards the old guy who is the greeter at Meijer's that complimented me on being so pretty is another asshole. Oh paleez. This gender bender crap has got to come to an end.
 
Sorry, but only an idiot or someone with an ax to grind would think this video is trying to imply all men are jerks. Of COURSE most men don't do that. But the point is enough do to make for a crappy, stressful, or even frightening experience.

And sure, some men get similar treatment but it is nowhere near as often and the fear factor is rarely there. I would ask men who don't think this is a big deal to put themselves in the woman's place but imagine all those comments were coming from gay men who were much larger and stronger than you. An unwanted advance is an unwanted advance regardless of the sexual orientation. And the physical power differential is what engenders the fear.
 
BrewerBob said:
Sorry, but only an idiot or someone with an ax to grind would think this video is trying to imply all men are jerks. Of COURSE most men don't do that. But the point is enough do to make for a crappy, stressful, or even frightening experience.

And sure, some men get similar treatment but it is nowhere near as often and the fear factor is rarely there. I would ask men who don't think this is a big deal to put themselves in the woman's place but imagine all those comments were coming from gay men who were much larger and stronger than you. An unwanted advance is an unwanted advance regardless of the sexual orientation. And the physical power differential is what engenders the fear.
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Fear Factor? Are you telling me a woman that stalks a man there is no fear factor and it is any less common than a male? A woman that threatens a man with harassment simply because he told her she looked good at a place at employment? Men are now walking on eggshells. Sorry but the physical difference doesn't give women a pass.
For the love of Pete, I want equality. And for a woman to truly obtain equality it can not be by using some lame excuse that excuses her from the same so called bad behavior.
 
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vesper said:
Fear Factor? Are you telling me a woman that stalks a man there is no fear factor and it is any less common than a male? A woman that threatens a man with harassment simply because he told her she looked good at a place at employment? Men are now walking on eggshells. Sorry but the physical difference doesn't give women a pass.
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A pass to what? To feel the way they feel?
And yes, stalking by anyone is bad, but that isn't what this thread is about.
 
Capster78 said:
I don't consider myself strictly an MRA, but I do believe they have some valid points.
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The problem is most self described MRAs are douches, which detracts from some of the good points they have, such as bias in family courts.
 
BrewerBob said:
A pass to what? To feel the way they feel?
And yes, stalking by anyone is bad, but that isn't what this thread is about.
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Well if stalking isn't part of this thread then feelings shouldn't be either. Bottom line, women need to be accountable for doing the same things they claim men do to them that they like to call harassment. If we are ever going to be considered truly equal then the standards can not be double standards.
 
BrewerBob said:
Sorry, but only an idiot or someone with an ax to grind would think this video is trying to imply all men are jerks..
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That's true. Apparently, only the men in NYC.
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What 10 hours of street harassment in NYC looks like

Ten hours of harassment. Sorry, but this wasn't ten hours of harassment. It was a few minutes of video taken from ten hours of walking, but gives the impression that the woman was harassed for ten hours straight. I see it as blatant dishonesty on the part of those who made the video, and on the part of CNN who is pushing it as representative of how women get treated in NYC. I could get treated that way by going to the right part of town.
 
Actually, after viewing that video and reading some of the comments, let me go on the record as saying, yes, female harassment is real but this video cheapened those incidents. It also showed an agenda of trying to paint males in an unjust manner while not addressing females that are just as "guilty" of what they claim. War on women which is really a war on men by the same ilk using double standards.
 
lizzie said:
That's true. Apparently, only the men in NYC.
The title of the story is...
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The title of the VIDEO is: "10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman"

The creators of the video are not responsible for CNN's headlines. And the creators are being very clear that they edited 10 hours of walking down to 2 minutes.


I could get treated that way by going to the right part of town.
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And maybe... just maybe... the point is that you SHOULDN'T be treated that way, in ANY part of town.
 
Visbek said:
The title of the VIDEO is: "10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman"

The creators of the video are not responsible for CNN's headlines. And the creators are being very clear that they edited 10 hours of walking down to 2 minutes.



And maybe... just maybe... the point is that you SHOULDN'T be treated that way, in ANY part of town.
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There are many things that shouldn't happen, but they do anyway. People shouldn't be raped, killed, robbed, abused, lied to, and a huge laundry list of other offenses. Forgive me if I dont take a biased video, made with the purpose of making men look like assholesl quite as seriously as other more pressing issues.
 
lizzie said:
Forgive me if I dont take a biased video, made with the purpose of making men look like assholesl quite as seriously as other more pressing issues.
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Men are pretty friggin weak animals if all it takes to make them look stupid is to have a female walk down the street don't ya think?

Biased video? How about just a video? Why is it biased? There's purpose to it, but there was no entrapment or trick.

There's an overwhelming indirect, and in some cases direct, feeling here that most people are more angry with the young lady than there are with the men.

Which of course just continues to justify the cycle of behavior the video is trying to show.
 
Some of it was harassment, some of it was male silliness, and some of it was just men trying to be friendly. Overall some of the actions I saw in the video I found to be rather disgusting, but nothing I haven't seen or experienced myself before.
 
Dragonfly said:
Biased video? How about just a video? Why is it biased? There's purpose to it, but there was no entrapment or trick.

There's an overwhelming indirect, and in some cases direct, feeling here that most people are more angry with the young lady than there are with the men.

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I have explained in several other posts how it is biased. As for anger with her? Not me. I don't care what she does or how she does it. You asked our opinion on the video, and which instances were harassment. Several of them are, but the video isn't representative of the actual 10 walk in NYC. It's selected excerpts to make it look as if harassment is much more common than it actually is. I dislike dishonesty and misrepresentation in all its forms.
 
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