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Is it appropriate to demand proof or facts on Debate Politics?


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Is it appropriate to demand proof and facts on Debate Politics?

From my observation 100% of posters on Debate Politics are anonymous. This is also the internet where words can be typed in any order to say anything imaginable. Concrete evidence can rarely be presented via the internet. I also think this is a place to express your opinion on interesting and non-interesting topics. Can't a person base their opinion upon a lie? Just because their opinion is based upon a lie this doesn't make their opinion any less valid. After all, it's an opinion. An opinion doesn't really hold much weight anyways. Sure occasionally an opinion can change someone's mind but that doesn't make it authoritative.

What do you guys think? Are proof and facts necessary when presenting your opinion?
 
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It depends, logic arguments don't need proof. You show the logic is not sound or try to claim one of the premises is false by providing proof of your own against all the premises.

Sometimes people try to pressure proof for a logic argument, just to derail/hack a thread.

And a problem with the internet is you can provide "proof" that pigs fly....
 
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I am more than satisfied with a source and an interpretation of the data, then we can discuss that source and that interpretation.
 
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Define proof. Proof in mathmatics maybe, but the rest is a matter of quality. I am really not sure there is any proof we all exist.
 
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It really depends on the situation and what is "proof" being asked for. It also depends on whether or not someone is trying to present something as fact, opinion, or their anecdotal experience.
 
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Is it appropriate to demand proof and facts on Debate Politics?

From my observation 100% of posters on Debate Politics are anonymous. This is also the internet where words can be typed in any order to say anything imaginable. Concrete evidence can rarely be presented via the internet. I also think this is a place to express your opinion on interesting and non-interesting topics. Can't a person base their opinion upon a lie? Just because their opinion is based upon a lie this doesn't make their opinion any less valid. After all, it's an opinion. An opinion doesn't really hold much weight anyways. Sure occasionally an opinion can change someone's mind but that doesn't make it authoritative.

What do you guys think? Are proof and facts necessary when presenting your opinion?

There is no doubt, I should think, that it makes sense to ask for the facts on which an argument is based. This does not mean that things that are common knowledge, well known or on Wikipedia and likewise easy to find should be required. In my experience, when someone starts asking for proof that is so easily available, that person is not really interested and only trying to be a nuisance.
 
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Define proof. Proof in mathmatics maybe, but the rest is a matter of quality. I am really not sure there is any proof we all exist.

When you start off on that one, we need to think about how to formulate the hypothesis to be falsified. A general proof is never possible.
 
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Is it appropriate to demand proof and facts on Debate Politics?

From my observation 100% of posters on Debate Politics are anonymous. This is also the internet where words can be typed in any order to say anything imaginable. Concrete evidence can rarely be presented via the internet. I also think this is a place to express your opinion on interesting and non-interesting topics. Can't a person base their opinion upon a lie? Just because their opinion is based upon a lie this doesn't make their opinion any less valid. After all, it's an opinion. An opinion doesn't really hold much weight anyways. Sure occasionally an opinion can change someone's mind but that doesn't make it authoritative.

What do you guys think? Are proof and facts necessary when presenting your opinion?

I think it's reasonable to support your opinion with some rationality and logic, or basis in historical written evidence. But that's about the extent to which you have on an online forum of providing empirical facts.
 
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Is it appropriate to demand proof and facts on Debate Politics?

It's always appropriate to demand proof and facts. Getting someone to provide them is another story.

From my observation 100% of posters on Debate Politics are anonymous. This is also the internet where words can be typed in any order to say anything imaginable. Concrete evidence can rarely be presented via the internet. I also think this is a place to express your opinion on interesting and non-interesting topics. Can't a person base their opinion upon a lie? Just because their opinion is based upon a lie this doesn't make their opinion any less valid. After all, it's an opinion. An opinion doesn't really hold much weight anyways. Sure occasionally an opinion can change someone's mind but that doesn't make it authoritative.

What do you guys think? Are proof and facts necessary when presenting your opinion?

Depends. If someone disputes my opinion, then they are justified in asking for proof or facts. I don't always provide proof or facts when stating my opinion, but I'll provide them if asked.
 
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I think it is important to ask for facts and proof, but it is also important to ask what was the logical process a poster uses when he or she presents a arguement.
 
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Define proof. Proof in mathmatics maybe, but the rest is a matter of quality. I am really not sure there is any proof we all exist.

I think proof is a bad choice. Supporting your argument or opinion is a better choice of words. Having supporting data for your argument, particularly if it is stated in a difinitive manner, is a near necessity. Othewise it is an unfounded opinion.

OTOH, statements from a single source intended to support your argument is suspicious, and IMO supports nothing.
 
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Is it appropriate to demand proof and facts on Debate Politics?

From my observation 100% of posters on Debate Politics are anonymous. This is also the internet where words can be typed in any order to say anything imaginable. Concrete evidence can rarely be presented via the internet. I also think this is a place to express your opinion on interesting and non-interesting topics. Can't a person base their opinion upon a lie? Just because their opinion is based upon a lie this doesn't make their opinion any less valid. After all, it's an opinion. An opinion doesn't really hold much weight anyways. Sure occasionally an opinion can change someone's mind but that doesn't make it authoritative.

What do you guys think? Are proof and facts necessary when presenting your opinion?

Yes. Making up facts out of whole cloth is rampant on this forum.
 
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Is it appropriate to demand proof and facts on Debate Politics?

From my observation 100% of posters on Debate Politics are anonymous. This is also the internet where words can be typed in any order to say anything imaginable. Concrete evidence can rarely be presented via the internet. I also think this is a place to express your opinion on interesting and non-interesting topics. Can't a person base their opinion upon a lie? Just because their opinion is based upon a lie this doesn't make their opinion any less valid. After all, it's an opinion. An opinion doesn't really hold much weight anyways. Sure occasionally an opinion can change someone's mind but that doesn't make it authoritative.

What do you guys think? Are proof and facts necessary when presenting your opinion?

of course it is, HONEST debate and conversation doesnt happen any other way. A poster willl never be taken seriously by educated and honest posters if they can support thier posts.

and lets be clear proof and facts are a MUST when a person is presenting statments as facts, if one can not do this its thier own short comings and fault


now if it is an actual debate and its an opinionbeing stated then no "facts" are need persay but again for one to be taken seriously they must be able to back up thier claims with some type of proof or logic
 
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I think it's reasonable to support your opinion with some rationality and logic, or basis in historical written evidence. But that's about the extent to which you have on an online forum of providing empirical facts.

Oh no, some people expect peer reviewed papers.
 
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Absolutely NO! When you do provide the proof the liberals just claim it to be an anectdote. Yeah, an anectdote that is in print coast to coast. So providing proof is NOT NECESSARY.
 
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I know one thing is for sure, Ive never read ANYBODY complain about proof and facts who actually has them and can back up the claims they are making . . . .never happened once . .
The only people i have ever seen complain are those that got caught lying or posting something as a fact when it is not
 
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Oh no, some people expect peer reviewed papers.

My favorite is the statement, "prove it". Makes me want to reach thru the screen and choke someone. :lol:
 
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Demanding proof seems to be a diversionary tactic in my experience. Pretty much all facts can be googled in seconds if you doubt a claim and can not easily find the proof it is acceptable to ask but that seems to rarely be the case
 
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Demanding proof seems to be a diversionary tactic in my experience. Pretty much all facts can be googled in seconds if you doubt a claim and can not easily find the proof it is acceptable to ask but that seems to rarely be the case

There are some who do that and they raise the bar higher and higher no matter what you offer up.
 
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There are some who do that and they raise the bar higher and higher no matter what you offer up.

Yes there are plenty that would rather argue than make an argument
 
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Yea, I think I usually refer to it as evidence.
I think proof is a bad choice. Supporting your argument or opinion is a better choice of words. Having supporting data for your argument, particularly if it is stated in a difinitive manner, is a near necessity. Othewise it is an unfounded opinion.

OTOH, statements from a single source intended to support your argument is suspicious, and IMO supports nothing.
 
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There are some who do that and they raise the bar higher and higher no matter what you offer up.

Have you voted in this poll? I only see two 'no' votes.

Demanding proof seems to be a diversionary tactic in my experience. Pretty much all facts can be googled in seconds if you doubt a claim and can not easily find the proof it is acceptable to ask but that seems to rarely be the case

Have you voted in this poll? I only see two 'no' votes.

My favorite is the statement, "prove it". Makes me want to reach thru the screen and choke someone. :lol:

Have you voted in this poll? I only see two 'no' votes.

In my experience, when someone starts asking for proof that is so easily available, that person is not really interested and only trying to be a nuisance.

Have you voted in this poll? I only see two 'no' votes.

Define proof. Proof in mathmatics maybe, but the rest is a matter of quality. I am really not sure there is any proof we all exist.

Have you voted in this poll? I only see two 'no' votes.

Sometimes people try to pressure proof for a logic argument, just to derail/hack a thread.

And a problem with the internet is you can provide "proof" that pigs fly....

Have you voted in this poll? I only see two 'no' votes.
 
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There is also the issue of what some people present as proof.

I've seen people state opinions and then try to back it up with an article that does nothing more than restate that opinion. But they will swear they gave proof. LOL!!
 
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Yes other.
Have you voted in this poll? I only see two 'no' votes.



Have you voted in this poll? I only see two 'no' votes.



Have you voted in this poll? I only see two 'no' votes.



Have you voted in this poll? I only see two 'no' votes.



Have you voted in this poll? I only see two 'no' votes.



Have you voted in this poll? I only see two 'no' votes.
 
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