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The military budget of the United States

Who much should we spend to the millitary budget? In billion dollars

  • Less than 100

    Votes: 9 27.3%

  • 100-200

    Votes: 3 9.1%

  • 200-300

    Votes: 2 6.1%

  • 300-400

    Votes: 7 21.2%

  • 400-500

    Votes: 3 9.1%

  • 500-600

    Votes: 1 3.0%

  • 600-700

    Votes: 1 3.0%

  • 700-800

    Votes: 2 6.1%

  • 800-900

    Votes: 1 3.0%

  • More than 900

    Votes: 4 12.1%
  • Total voters
    33
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In 2013 the United States spending 640 billion dollars to the military budget.

What do you think about this number?
 
APACHERAT said:
To much of it is being wasted on social engineering of the military.
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And more of it is being wasted funding the USA's military/industrialcomplex which President Eisenhower warned us about in a famous speech.

The USA spends more on preparations for war than all of its enemies combined. A lot of that money is wasted and could be better spent on other things.
 
Greg. said:
In 2013 the United States spending 640 billion dollars to the military budget.

What do you think about this number?
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I could answer that question if I knew everything our military spends money on. Expensive biofuel programs should be scrapped.Troops station in Korea,Italy,Germany, Japan and other countries should be scrapped.Any military personal spying on Americans should be scrapped.Troops involve in countries we are not at war with should be scrapped. Any programs that provide military aid and arms to other countries should be scrapped.There are probably other things that can be cut too. Troops should be only used to defend our country, attack countries that actually attack us unprovoked first and troops stationed on our borders to actually prevent illegal crossing into our country and to use force if necessary to do it.
 
Greg. said:
In 2013 the United States spending 640 billion dollars to the military budget.

What do you think about this number?
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I think it is about right for a country fighting WW3. It cost a lot of money to have our armies march on every continent, our navy patrol all the oceans, and air force control the skies over most of the world. Empires are expensive to maintain and rule over. It has bankrupted every previous empire in history. It is our turn I guess. What is really sad is we spend more money than almost the entire world on our military and we cannot even secure our own borders. Pathetic.
 
shrubnose said:
And more of it is being wasted funding the USA's military/industrialcomplex which President Eisenhower warned us about in a famous speech.

The USA spends more on preparations for war than all of its enemies combined. A lot of that money is wasted and could be better spent on other things.
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I agree, the Navy's "Little Crappy Ship" (LCS) that can't fight. Billions spent and ships that can't put to sea and fight or sailors aren't trained to go to sea because they sit in sensitivity class rooms instead of training. Hundreds of millions being spent on removing urinals because they aren't PC and being replaced with PC crappers. Spending $27 per gallon for PC green jet fuel instead of politically incorrect $4 per gallon JP fuel. Spending $20,000 to kill one Taliban fighter with a Hell Fire Missile when a .25 cent bullet could do the same thing.
 
I'm not a bean counter, so I won't say a specific dollar amount, but I will say enough to cover: paying our troops, keeping up with maintenance and training, continuing research & development, clandestine operations... things like that. I'd make sure that we weren't paying $400 for a $15 hammer.
 
Jango said:
I'm not a bean counter, so I won't say a specific dollar amount, but I will say enough to cover: paying our troops, keeping up with maintenance and training, continuing research & development, clandestine operations... things like that. I'd make sure that we weren't paying $400 for a $15 hammer.
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I count beans at times.

Spending twice as much money for a politically correct 5.56 mm green bullets that has no lead is a waste of the taxpayers money.

Either Congress double the appropriations for small arms ammunition or our soldiers and Marines spend less than half the time they usaully should on the range preparing for war.

Our enemies don't give a **** it they are shot with a PC bullet or not and neither should we.
 
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I didn't see an option for $14.95
 
APACHERAT said:
I count beans at times.

Spending twice as much money for a politically correct 5.56 mm green bullets that has no lead is a waste of the taxpayers money.

Either Congress double the appropriations for small arms ammunition or our soldiers and Marines spend less than half the time they usaully should on the range preparing for war.

Our enemies don't give a **** it they are shot with a PC bullet or not and neither should we.
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About the only time I'll count beans is when I'm asked to reduce things, as has previously happened. My pet reduction is redundancy in intelligence - not every branch needs its own when the D.I.A. exists and can be centralized.

Re ammo - our young and poor men and women deserve to have the best ammunition. Period.
 
Jango said:
About the only time I'll count beans is when I'm asked to reduce things, as has previously happened. My pet reduction is redundancy in intelligence - not every branch needs its own when the D.I.A. exists and can be centralized.

Re ammo - our young and poor men and women deserve to have the best ammunition. Period.
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But some in our society believe that our soldiers and Marines shouldn't be sent into harms way with the best ammunition. Just like some believe that instead of training for war so they bleed less in combat they should be sitting in class rooms being indoctrinated on political correctness.
 
APACHERAT said:
But some in our society believe that our soldiers and Marines shouldn't be sent into harms way with the best ammunition. Just like some believe that instead of training for war so they bleed less in combat they should be sitting in class rooms being indoctrinated on political correctness.
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And you and I know that that is not just misguided, but will have disastrous results.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I think it is about right for a country fighting WW3. It cost a lot of money to have our armies march on every continent, our navy patrol all the oceans, and air force control the skies over most of the world. Empires are expensive to maintain and rule over. It has bankrupted every previous empire in history. It is our turn I guess.
What is really sad is we spend more money than almost the entire world on our military and we cannot even secure our own borders. Pathetic.
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I totally agree. Sounds a lot like the Roman Empire to me.

How's that outfit doing nowadays? :roll:
 
shrubnose said:
And more of it is being wasted funding the USA's military/industrialcomplex which President Eisenhower warned us about in a famous speech.

The USA spends more on preparations for war than all of its enemies combined. A lot of that money is wasted and could be better spent on other things.
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**** President Eisenhower, okay?? The ****ing hypocrite presided over the most expensive war in human history, WWII. It dwarfs everything before or after.
 
shrubnose said:
I totally agree. Sounds a lot like the Roman Empire to me.

How's that outfit doing nowadays? :roll:
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Unless you want to cut the federal budget down by 2/3 and cut social programs, you're just implying your support for more social programs in lieu of defense. That's the usual line for the military/industrial complex haters. You really don't want to save us money, you just want to spend it elsewhere.
 
jamesrage said:
I could answer that question if I knew everything our military spends money on. Expensive biofuel programs should be scrapped.Troops station in Korea,Italy,Germany, Japan and other countries should be scrapped.Any military personal spying on Americans should be scrapped.Troops involve in countries we are not at war with should be scrapped. Any programs that provide military aid and arms to other countries should be scrapped.There are probably other things that can be cut too. Troops should be only used to defend our country, attack countries that actually attack us unprovoked first and troops stationed on our borders to actually prevent illegal crossing into our country and to use force if necessary to do it.
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This comes from complete ignorance. War is not just a battle fought on the battlefield. War is economic, technologic and geopolitic. Without the joint security treaties we have in Asia, that part of the country will soon make the middle east look like a playground. There are still deep seated mistrusts in Asia between Japan, China, and Korea(s). Each of those countries also have deep seated mistrusts with outside countries they boarder as well as strong alliances. All of whom are waiting for chinks in each others armor to exploit. Basically, there are several potential hot spots that exist there. Many of which are avoided by our joint security treaties. Without US presence in Japan and Korea, there would no longer be a referee to any small squabbles that arise. The trust those nations have in each other manifests itself thru the US as an intermediary a lot of times. I believe our post WW2 strategy will be looked back on by historians as one of the greatest contributions the US has ever made to the world. We have been directly responsible for the peace that has ushered in prosperity for almost all of the 1st world countries. The reason people make the argument you do, is because they have never lived in a world post WW2 when the US was not intensely involved in international politics.
 
Scale it down to $400 billion, I suppose.

Our nation's infrastructure needs an overhaul among other things.
 
Van Basten said:
Scale it down to $400 billion, I suppose.

Our nation's infrastructure needs an overhaul among other things.
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Well, you don't have to scale down military spending to fix the infrastructure. All you need to do is start spending money on it, and that money soon returns back into the economy thru job growth and the reduction in spending to those on welfare due to the lower unemployment rate.
 
Jango said:
I'd make sure that we weren't paying $400 for a $15 hammer.
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That isn't done at the congressional level. Congress simply appropriates funds. The lowly E-3 at Maintenance Battalion will be purchasing the hammers. He can pay whatever he wants to pay for them no matter what congress says. However, if congress cuts his appropriation in half then he'll probably shop around for a better deal next time.

Your solution implies that the higher level cannot correct these types of problems. They can but not via micromanagement. Congress cannot go to every unit in the Army and scrutinize their phone bills.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
That isn't done at the congressional level. Congress simply appropriates funds. The lowly E-3 at Maintenance Battalion will be purchasing the hammers. He can pay whatever he wants to pay for them no matter what congress says. However, if congress cuts his appropriation in half then he'll probably shop around for a better deal next time.

Your solution implies that the higher level cannot correct these types of problems. They can but not via micromanagement. Congress cannot go to every unit in the Army and scrutinize their phone bills.
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Not really true. The military has such a thing called an Impact Card in which the PFC could buy a hammer. But his Maintenance shop would be authorized as an example $150.00 a month to purchase miscellaneous supplies. All other requisitions of higher dollar amounts must go through channels for approval and usually bids are taken on the items.

I worked in an Electronics Maintenance Shop, stuff like tie downs, screws, multimeters etc were bought on the impact card. When we converted from copper to fiber the testing equipment requisition for fiber had to go through channels to be approved and added to our TDA of approved equipment. Then bids sent out which someone from the budget section would decide who won the bid.

Plus each organization is allocated so much money for the fiscal year. I really do not know all the inner workings, just how those working effect our shop.
 
Perotista said:
Not really true. The military has such a thing called an Impact Card in which the PFC could buy a hammer. But his Maintenance shop would be authorized as an example $150.00 a month to purchase miscellaneous supplies. All other requisitions of higher dollar amounts must go through channels for approval and usually bids are taken on the items.

I worked in an Electronics Maintenance Shop, stuff like tie downs, screws, multimeters etc were bought on the impact card. When we converted from copper to fiber the testing equipment requisition for fiber had to go through channels to be approved and added to our TDA of approved equipment. Then bids sent out which someone from the budget section would decide who won the bid.

Plus each organization is allocated so much money for the fiscal year. I really do not know all the inner workings, just how those working effect our shop.
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Greetings, Pero. :2wave:

With Russia energetically increasing the size of its military, both in personnel and weaponry, I don't understand why we are decreasing ours. We are hearing, almost on a daily basis. about top level experienced military personnel being fired. Fired! How this is supposed to make us safer is never discussed - it's just what is being done with no explanation from the administration. Last I looked, peace hasn't suddenly engulfed the world - the trend appears to be the opposite. Why are we downsizing now? What is the rationale behind this? :shock:
 
polgara said:
Greetings, Pero. :2wave:

With Russia energetically increasing the size of its military, both in personnel and weaponry, I don't understand why we are decreasing ours. We are hearing, almost on a daily basis. about top level experienced military personnel being fired. Fired! How this is supposed to make us safer is never discussed - it's just what is being done with no explanation from the administration. Last I looked, peace hasn't suddenly engulfed the world - the trend appears to be the opposite. Why are we downsizing now? What is the rationale behind this? :shock:
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Russia? The their weak economy? I'm far more worried about China and their booming economy, considering the militarily aggressive moves they've exhibited in the last year or so. Aren't China and Japan still 'arguing' over some island or another?
 
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