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In your estimation, what percentage of the population is gay?

In your estimation, what percentage of the population is gay?


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I will try to do my best to explain it but I am a simple straight British bloke so not sufficiently cultured to get it right. Not like the French do.....

If a man flounces about and has a gay relationship with another man then that's gay (I think...).

If a manly man goes "hunting" with his best mate and they have a good old time in the woods shooting off and making bangs without the need to clean their shotguns later then that's not gay. Although it may look it from the stupid Anglo perspective.

There, I did my best.....

:lamo Priceless!

"Flouncing about"! Can you be more specific as to what constitutes "flouncing about"? And how about your definition of a "manly man"? Are you saying you can have sex with another man provided you're not effeminate, and provided that it's only the once, and in a woodland setting, and then it's not gay?

Has this "simple, straight British bloke" got something he wants to confide in us with?
 
I went with 4-6%

But I doubt we will ever know for sure, as I expect there will always be some percentage of gay persons who wish to keep that information private.
 
I think it would be better to ask what percentage of the population has had sexual encounters with the same sex because not all those people perceive themselves to be gay. Many are in heterosexual marriages to boot.

"Gay" is a self-chosen identity, separate from the same-sex act. I know to most people they are the same thing and even to gay people they are, but the reality is that the natural homosexual behavior is its own thing regardless of what the person chooses to think about it before or after the fact.

You'd be amazed at what people have done with the same sex in their lifetimes while still calling themselves "straight".
 
:lamo Priceless!

"Flouncing about"! Can you be more specific as to what constitutes "flouncing about"? And how about your definition of a "manly man"? Are you saying you can have sex with another man provided you're not effeminate, and provided that it's only the once, and in a woodland setting, and then it's not gay?

Has this "simple, straight British bloke" got something he wants to confide in us with?

I don't know how it all works!!!

I'm just not "cultured" enough. You will have to visit the place. I challenge you to find a straight bar. I failed in 4 years.
 
I think it would be better to ask what percentage of the population has had sexual encounters with the same sex because not all those people perceive themselves to be gay. Many are in heterosexual marriages to boot.

"Gay" is a self-chosen identity, separate from the same-sex act. I know to most people they are the same thing and even to gay people they are, but the reality is that the natural homosexual behavior is its own thing regardless of what the person chooses to think about it before or after the fact.

You'd be amazed at what people have done with the same sex in their lifetimes while still calling themselves "straight".

There you go. This is presumably how the French work it.
 
So small that I shouldn't have to hear about them at every turn.

But if anything, they do present a fine example of exactly how right Burnham was...
 
I don't know how it all works!!!

I'm just not "cultured" enough. You will have to visit the place. I challenge you to find a straight bar. I failed in 4 years.

You think that every bar in France is a gay bar? I don't know what you're on in this thread Tim, but you're certainly providing terrific entertainment! FWIW I think there are more gay bars in Manchester than there are in the whole of France, at least that's been my experience.
 
You think that every bar in France is a gay bar? I don't know what you're on in this thread Tim, but you're certainly providing terrific entertainment! FWIW I think there are more gay bars in Manchester than there are in the whole of France, at least that's been my experience.

I an effort to avoid being chatted up by blokes in French bars I started using the bar where the rugby team met and was also a bit of an expat English speaking place.

One night after a session of Guinness, I had had my fill, the man to my left brought me another pint so he could practice his English. OK. But first he had to go to the toilet. As he walked past me he ran his hands down my back and said "Ooo, strong". I fled. That was the straightest bar I managed to find.

You wont find that many gay bars. Just no straight ones.
 
One night after a session of Guinness, I had had my fill, the man to my left brought me another pint so he could practice his English. OK. But first he had to go to the toilet. As he walked past me he ran his hands down my back and said "Ooo, strong".
You thought that was a come on? Maybe it was, but I doubt it. It's a pretty common sight to see jock types feeling the biceps of a teammate in an after-game pub session, isn't it?

Question: If you went to an Arabic country and saw all the men holding hands as they walked down the street, would you assume they weren't straight?

You seem uncommonly worried about all this. Do you live in constant fear of gay rape? Is that why you fled?
 
You thought that was a come on? Maybe it was, but I doubt it. It's a pretty common sight to see jock types feeling the biceps of a teammate in an after-game pub session, isn't it?

Question: If you went to an Arabic country and saw all the men holding hands as they walked down the street, would you assume they weren't straight?

You seem uncommonly worried about all this. Do you live in constant fear of gay rape? Is that why you fled?

Maybe I'm just naturally homophobic.

That is I have no intellectual trouble with what ever consenting adults do, just DON'T tell me about it!

Try visiting Samur, where the French armored division lives. You will have no excuse there. It's full of liberated men.
 
Maybe I'm just naturally homophobic.
Maybe, although you do like to post in pretty colours.

That is I have no intellectual trouble with what ever consenting adults do, just DON'T tell me about it!
Why would I? You keep your sex life to yourself, and I'll keep mine to myself.

Try visiting Samur, where the French armored division lives. You will have no excuse there. It's full of liberated men.
No excuse for what? And what do you mean by 'liberated' men? You mean tough, soldier types who don't mind a bit of bum fun? That does sound quite gay.
 
Maybe, although you do like to post in pretty colours.

Why would I? You keep your sex life to yourself, and I'll keep mine to myself.

No excuse for what? And what do you mean by 'liberated' men? You mean tough, soldier types who don't mind a bit of bum fun? That does sound quite gay.

Yes, yes and yes.

Good hunting.
 
You think that every bar in France is a gay bar? I don't know what you're on in this thread Tim, but you're certainly providing terrific entertainment! FWIW I think there are more gay bars in Manchester than there are in the whole of France, at least that's been my experience.

This exchange between you and Tim is reminding me of a sentence from a college student's European history paper: "The German emperor's lower passage was blocked by the French for years and years."
 
I can't either. Some homosexual men became homosexual men because they were sodomized as a child by an adult.

The gay numbers can shrink if we institute the death penalty for male on male statutory rape. I firmly believe that.

The gay numbers can grow if we encourage men to manipulate young boys in a vulnerable position to engage in sex with them.

They are separate issues but it is aggravating that homosexuals can be recruited as children.

Do you know how backward this is?

Gay People aren't made.
 
Do you know how backward this is?

Gay People aren't made.

I don't think ignorant and malicious attitudes such as vasuderatorrent's are remediable but fortunately, in most cultures, are starting inexorably to die out, along with the people who hold them. It always fills my heart with hope, relief and pleasure when I talk to my nieces and nephews when I realise that the fundamentally bigoted attitudes that were pretty much universal when I was a kid are now the exception rather than the rule. My very straight eldest nephew had several gay friends at school and it was barely a matter of note. That would never have been the case when I was at school.

I rarely find it worthwhile or to correct such ignorant misapprehensions about predatory gay men trying to convert youngsters. Any sane person knows this to be mythical, and those that don't, hold those beliefs through malice, so they're not open to being educated.
 
In your estimation, what percentage of the population is gay?

I say "...in your estimation" because, as someone else said in another thread, not all gay people are willing to admit it (for reasons of their own), so the best stats we have are most likely incomplete.

Note also, bi-sexual, bi-curious, etc., are not included in the question. Straight (pun only slightly intended :mrgreen:) gay only.

Hard to tell at any given time. As many as half or more can be gay at any given time.

Oh, you meant homosexual. Damn, learn your English words. Gay means happy, carefree, joyous not carpet muncher or pole smoker.
 
So small that I shouldn't have to hear about them at every turn.
Yes, there are so many more greater pressing issues today that any political party that so focuses on this issue that only appeals to a small percentage of the population is doing the great majority of Americans a great disservice.
 
Yes, there are so many more greater pressing issues today that any political party that so focuses on this issue that only appeals to a small percentage of the population is doing the great majority of Americans a great disservice.
Yet here you are talking about this one. You do so often. So apparently you don't believe what you have posted.
 
Hard to tell at any given time. As many as half or more can be gay at any given time.

Oh, you meant homosexual. Damn, learn your English words. Gay means happy, carefree, joyous not carpet muncher or pole smoker.
Gay means homosexual, if you doubt me, go to a middle school and talk about the gay time you and your buddy had at the sausage festival.

Based on the snickers you would get, you may want to rethink your usage of that word.

It doesn't mean happy any more.
 
Gay means homosexual, if you doubt me, go to a middle school and talk about the gay time you and your buddy had at the sausage festival.

Based on the snickers you would get, you may want to rethink your usage of that word.

It doesn't mean happy any more.
He knows what it means. He was just being obtuse.
 
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