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transgender a mental disorder

Is transgender a mental disorder

  • yes it is a mental disorder

    Votes: 30 76.9%
  • no it is a real birth defect

    Votes: 9 23.1%

  • Total voters
    39
Inspired by another thread I offer this.

"Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital and its current Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry, said that transgenderism is a “mental disorder” that merits treatment, that sex change is “biologically impossible,” and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder."

Johns Hopkins Psychiatrist: Transgender is

Right-wing evanglicalism - truly a mental disorder.
 
Again as if we need an "expert" to tell us that an organism that self mutilates and is confused about its gender roles is or isn't normal. If this wasn't so insane in its absolute irrationality it would be easier to deal with the left wing but it's so disingenuous them going around insisting "Experts have deemed it normal" after all of our history deeming it abnormal.

The gall of some people is simply astounding.


I guarantee you 9/10 5 year old's would be able to tell you in 0.5 seconds that trans aren't normal and the other one would just not understand at all.
 
I love how people will go out of their way to defend the dumbest most illogical conclusions to issues. If ADD is a disorder then thinking you are the wrong gender damn well better be or the way disorders are determined is illogical.
 
I don't think there's anything embarrassing about treating it as a disorder. If I have ADHD and take Ritilin, or if I am transgender and take a drug for that, it doesn't seem different. If I have high cholesterol and take a statin. I don't see what the big deal is in calling it a disorder. The surgery to me is like any plastic surgery, it's to satisfy the individual involved. It's not exactly like a bad nose, but it provides the recipient some emotional satisfaction that they have corrected something. Like men's and women's clothing is a matter of culture and style, we don't wear the same clothes but we could. It's an identity thing.

People falsely call transsexuality a mental disorder in order to degrade and attack transsexuals. People don't generally do that for folks with ADHD. The problem is that it isn't a mental disorder, but it is falsely claimed to be one in order to insult people.
 
Clearly the majority of people think it's a mental disorder so you shouldn't be against the people. The people should be allowed to have their views even if they aren't popular among the stuffy elites.

Clearly the people who are experts on the issue recognize that it is NOT a mental disorder. But this has already been explained to you, Ryan. You are just doing what you always do: when proven wrong, you just ignore this proof and keep posting your wrongness like it never happened.
 

YOU don't know what you are talking about... as usual. That information is from a website that discusses the changes being made in the DSM-V from the DSM-IV. It talks about the workgroup and what they are working on. It has not been updated since 2012, BEFORE the DSM-V was released. The 302.85 diagnosis no longer exists in the DSM-V. Like I told you, when you don't do appropriate research, you're bound to bet pwned which is what just happened to you.
 
You calling the majority of peoples vote in this poll "time wasting BS" is shameful as are other posters attempts to discredit the valid votes and opinion of a majority of people in this poll.

Appeal to the numbers logical fallacy. You just keep racking up the "wrongness".
 
When the new bull in the pasture rips its balls off and starts trying to elope with the bull in the next pasture you don't need an expert to know that's a bad bull.

It has already been explained to you that your analogy doesn't work. Repeating it doesn't alter that fact.
 
Thank goodness the majority of DP members see it as a mental disorder. Good to know we're among rational posters.

No, actually we are amount ignorant and uneducated posters on this issue... as proven by the poll.
 
Again as if we need an "expert" to tell us that an organism that self mutilates and is confused about its gender roles is or isn't normal. If this wasn't so insane in its absolute irrationality it would be easier to deal with the left wing but it's so disingenuous them going around insisting "Experts have deemed it normal" after all of our history deeming it abnormal.

The gall of some people is simply astounding.


I guarantee you 9/10 5 year old's would be able to tell you in 0.5 seconds that trans aren't normal and the other one would just not understand at all.

The gall is from you, someone completely uneducated on this issue, trying to tell those who are experts that they are wrong. I always find it interesting, Ryan, that when proven wrong, you refuse to be educated on these kinds of issues, and instead stay with your inaccuracies. I suppose that if someone doesn't want to correct their mistakes, like you, there is nothing anyone can do about it. Other than keep pointing out that they don't know what they are talking about. Which I will be happy to do.
 
I love how people will go out of their way to defend the dumbest most illogical conclusions to issues. If ADD is a disorder then thinking you are the wrong gender damn well better be or the way disorders are determined is illogical.

No, Henrin. These are completely different issues. I'd explain everything to you for the... I don't know... 30th time, but you and I both know that you will refuse to be educated on this issue. So I'll just save some time and just remind you of that.
 
I don't think there's anything embarrassing about treating it as a disorder. If I have ADHD and take Ritilin, or if I am transgender and take a drug for that, it doesn't seem different. If I have high cholesterol and take a statin. I don't see what the big deal is in calling it a disorder. The surgery to me is like any plastic surgery, it's to satisfy the individual involved. It's not exactly like a bad nose, but it provides the recipient some emotional satisfaction that they have corrected something. Like men's and women's clothing is a matter of culture and style, we don't wear the same clothes but we could. It's an identity thing.

I think you would if you were transgender. I probably would.

'Medical Definition of MENTAL DISORDER. : a mental or bodily condition marked primarily by sufficient disorganization of personality, mind, and emotions to seriously impair the normal psychological functioning of the individual—called also mental illness'

Mental Disorder Medical Definition | Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary

Mental disorder is just a nicer name for mental illness.

A person does not feel like the gender they were born into. There is, imo, no rational way to call that a mental illness in and of itself. Must one have to be completely satisfied with being the sex they were born with to not have a mental illness?
What about people that get fairly large amounts of plastic surgery purely for cosmetic reasons? They are clearly unhappy with what they were born with - do they have a mental illness? I have seen videos/pictures of women that have had so much plastic surgery that they do not remotely look like they did naturally. Some are completely unrecognizable. Do they have a mental illness? They might. But you cannot realistically assume they ALL do.
I look upon changing gender as an extreme form of plastic surgery.
Now i have little doubt that at least some of them have a mental illness. But I also believe (and I don't care what some doctor/shrink/prof says) that as long as they are hurting no one else, are reasonably happy with their new gender and have no desire to switch back - then I see nothing wrong with it and they are not and should not automatically be deemed to have a mental illness.

I certainly believe that people can be born with the wrong sex - i.e. their drives/desires/instincts do not match the sex they have been born with.
People are apparently born gay, why not also born with the wrong sex?

If the guy/gal that wrote the OP paper wants to study an individual and deduce that that person in particular has a mental disorder...fine.
But to lump every, single transgender person into a group that ALL have mental illnesses seems extremely unscientific, unprofessional and probably erroneous.
 
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I think you would if you were transgender. I probably would.

And I have ADD... I don't want it labeled a Disorder but why is it?

'Medical Definition of MENTAL DISORDER. : a mental or bodily condition marked primarily by sufficient disorganization of personality, mind, and emotions to seriously impair the normal psychological functioning of the individual—called also mental illness'

Mental Disorder Medical Definition | Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary

Mental disorder is just a nicer name for mental illness.

Yet even with my "disorder" I am a successful teacher with a B.A. a Diploma of Teaching with honors and a Masters degree... I thought that I was seriously impaired in my normal psychological functioning?

A person does not feel like the gender they were born into. There is, imo, no rational way to call that a mental illness in and of itself. Must one have to be completely satisfied with being the sex they were born with to not have a mental illness?

A man thinks he is a woman and that is fine or "normal" psychological personality and emotion and NOT sufficiently disrganized to be considered a Disorder but having slight attention issues is aDisorder? :lol:

What about people that get fairly large amounts of plastic surgery purely for cosmetic reasons? They are clearly unhappy with what they were born with - do they have a mental illness? I have seen videos/pictures of women that have had so much plastic surgery that they do not remotely look like they did naturally. Some are completely unrecognizable. Do they have a mental illness? They might. But you cannot realistically assume they ALL do.

I think that many of them do, yes.
 
Clearly the people who are experts on the issue recognize that it is NOT a mental disorder. But this has already been explained to you, Ryan. You are just doing what you always do: when proven wrong, you just ignore this proof and keep posting your wrongness like it never happened.

As you do on this issue... psychology, even though I love it, is a best guess science. Psychologists are no more an expert on this than I am.
 
I'm rational, don't agree with you, and I didn't vote. Not enough choices. There should be "it's just the way you are born" choice also. Why are you so worried about how others live their lives?

This is a debate and only a few are actually "worried" about how others live... most, like me, are just making a point. Why does that bother you?
 
Nobody is born this way and I will never be on the side of people who insist this is "normal". It's simply lost radical social leftism gone terribly wrong:

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Hopefully it is a happy being but in all seriousness.... WTF? This is a singer, right? I think I saw he/she/it on a TV comercial a while ago...
 
Hopefully it is a happy being but in all seriousness.... WTF? This is a singer, right? I think I saw he/she/it on a TV comercial a while ago...

It's a mentally sick human being. Think of all the poor little kids that had to see this beast on TV.:boohoo::2bigcry:
 
As you do on this issue... psychology, even though I love it, is a best guess science. Psychologists are no more an expert on this than I am.

Incorrect. They have far more expertise on this issue than you. I've read your posts on it. You keep getting things wrong.
 
And I have ADD... I don't want it labeled a Disorder but why is it?

Because it causes impairment and/or distress.



Yet even with my "disorder" I am a successful teacher with a B.A. a Diploma of Teaching with honors and a Masters degree... I thought that I was seriously impaired in my normal psychological functioning?

Obviously you have learned some excellent coping skills in order to deal with your ADD. You still have the disorder but you have nulified it's impairment and distress through good coping skills. I congratulate you. That's not always an easy thing to do.

A man thinks he is a woman and that is fine or "normal" psychological personality and emotion and NOT sufficiently disrganized to be considered a Disorder but having slight attention issues is aDisorder? :lol:

If the issue causes that individual distress or impairment, it would then be considered GDD.
 
People falsely call transsexuality a mental disorder in order to degrade and attack transsexuals. People don't generally do that for folks with ADHD. The problem is that it isn't a mental disorder, but it is falsely claimed to be one in order to insult people.
Maybe some do, but being a disorder isn't degrading, it allows them to get help.
 
Incorrect. They have far more expertise on this issue than you. I've read your posts on it. You keep getting things wrong.

That is your opinion.

Because it causes impairment and/or distress.

So does driving in glaring sunshine... I think your definition is ridiculous, as if a man thinking he is a woman doesn't cause distress. :roll:

Obviously you have learned some excellent coping skills in order to deal with your ADD. You still have the disorder but you have nulified it's impairment and distress through good coping skills. I congratulate you. That's not always an easy thing to do.

Or I was just a little hyper and the over diagnosis by doctors lead our doctor an incorrect diagnosis and put undue worry into my life.

If the issue causes that individual distress or impairment, it would then be considered GDD.

Disorder...
 
Maybe some do, but being a disorder isn't degrading, it allows them to get help.

Depends on how it is presented, and if they have GDD, which many do, they do get help.
 
That is your opinion.

No, that's a fact.

So does driving in glaring sunshine... I think your definition is ridiculous, as if a man thinking he is a woman doesn't cause distress. :roll:

Wrong. Diagnostically, the impairment and/or distress must have been happening for +6 months in many aspects of one's live. Driving in glaring sunshine is situational and has nothing to do with the type of psychological distress that is being discussed. Your analogy is idiotic. And in MANY cases, transsexuality causes GDD, a psychological disorder.

Or I was just a little hyper and the over diagnosis by doctors lead our doctor an incorrect diagnosis and put undue worry into my life.

That is VERY possible. I have "undiagnosed" many people who were incorrectly given an ADD/ADHD diagnosis. It has been the "thing" to give someone and has been overdiagnosed for more than a decade.

Disorder...

...would be GDD, not transsexuality.
 
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