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transgender a mental disorder

Is transgender a mental disorder

  • yes it is a mental disorder

    Votes: 30 76.9%
  • no it is a real birth defect

    Votes: 9 23.1%

  • Total voters
    39
People on the internet voting in polls will never solve this or any other of life's problems which they know little about.

But I'll be mighty surprised if they ever wake up and start evaluating things that they know at least a little about. :roll:




Why does anyone waste their time posting this kind of BS which accomplishes nothing?

Generally speaking I support free speech, but if BS like this was banned you wouldn't hear many protests from me.




"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers
 
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Inspired by another thread I offer this.

"Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital and its current Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry, said that transgenderism is a “mental disorder” that merits treatment, that sex change is “biologically impossible,” and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder."

Johns Hopkins Psychiatrist: Transgender is

It's like wishing you were an angel.
 
YOU can say what you want. That doesn't make it valid.

I don't think there's anything embarrassing about treating it as a disorder. If I have ADHD and take Ritilin, or if I am transgender and take a drug for that, it doesn't seem different. If I have high cholesterol and take a statin. I don't see what the big deal is in calling it a disorder. The surgery to me is like any plastic surgery, it's to satisfy the individual involved. It's not exactly like a bad nose, but it provides the recipient some emotional satisfaction that they have corrected something. Like men's and women's clothing is a matter of culture and style, we don't wear the same clothes but we could. It's an identity thing.
 
People on the internet voting in polls will never solve this or any other of life's problems which they know little about.

But I'll be mighty surprised if they ever wake up and start evaluating things that they know at least a little about. :roll:




Why does anyone waste their time posting this kind of BS which accomplishes nothing?

Generally speaking I support free speech, but if BS like this was banned you wouldn't hear many protests from me.




"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers


There's our Authoritarian European right on time to tell us how we should all be silenced in the name of freedom. :roll:
 
There's our Authoritarian European right on time to tell us how we should all be silenced in the name of freedom.
:roll:



I don't support silencing anyone, but I do support ignoring their time-wasting BS.




"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers
 
I don't support silencing anyone, but I do support ignoring their time-wasting BS.




"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers


Clearly the majority of people think it's a mental disorder so you shouldn't be against the people. The people should be allowed to have their views even if they aren't popular among the stuffy elites.
 
It would behoove you to learn a bit about the topic before you confront someone. Gender Identity Disorder is NOT listed as a disorder in the DSM-V. Gender Dysphoric Disorder is. You'd know that if you did the research. Gender Dysphoric Disorder and transsexuality is not one and in the same. You'd know that if you did the research. The recommendations for treatment have been LONG standing and did not change when the DSM-V came out. These standards of care for transsexuals have been in existence since at LEAST 1980. See the Harry Benjamin SOC for reference. If you did the research, I wouldn't have had to correct you as much as I did. Keep that in mind for next time.

You don't know what you're talking about, quit posing.

302.85 Gender Identity Disorder in Adolescents or Adults

Gender Incongruence (in Adolescents or Adults) [1]

302.85 Gender Identity Disorder in Adolescents or Adults | The International Foundation for Gender Education
 
Clearly the majority of people think it's a mental disorder so you shouldn't be against the people.
The people should be allowed to have their views even if they aren't popular among the stuffy elites.



Who is stopping anyone from having whatever views that they want to have? :roll:

Fill us in.
 
Who is stopping anyone from having whatever views that they want to have? :roll:

Fill us in.


You calling the majority of peoples vote in this poll "time wasting BS" is shameful as are other posters attempts to discredit the valid votes and opinion of a majority of people in this poll.
 
Clearly the majority of people think it's a mental disorder so you shouldn't be against the people. The people should be allowed to have their views even if they aren't popular among the stuffy elites.

How many people who voted in the poll have the expertise to be able to formulate an informed opinion? My guess is "not bloody many."

When it comes to matters of science, I don't care what the majority of people think. I care about what's actually true. Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy.
 
How many people who voted in the poll have the expertise to be able to formulate an informed opinion? My guess is "not bloody many."

When it comes to matters of science, I don't care what the majority of people think. I care about what's actually true.


When the new bull in the pasture rips its balls off and starts trying to elope with the bull in the next pasture you don't need an expert to know that's a bad bull.
 
When the new bull in the pasture rips its balls off and starts trying to elope with the bull in the next pasture you don't need an expert to know that's a bad bull.

Hokey witticisms aside, are you a trained psychologist or psychiatrist?
 
You calling the majority of peoples vote in this poll "time wasting BS" is shameful
as are other posters attempts to discredit the valid votes and opinion of a majority of people in this poll.



Bull ****. Half of the voters in every election are dumber than the other half.

I don't waste my time worrying about what other people think.
 
Hokey witticisms aside, are you a trained psychologist or psychiatrist?

Admit it. You won't will you? Is it a healthy bull? A bull that rips its balls off and starts trying to mate with the other bulls, is that a good/healthy/normal bull? You know it isn't and you instead choose to attempt to belittle the post as "Hokey" because you're directly caught in your fallacy and inability to relate your ultra progressive views to the real world scenario of nature.
 
Admit it. You won't will you? Is it a healthy bull? A bull that rips its balls off and starts trying to mate with the other bulls, is that a good/healthy/normal bull? You know it isn't and you instead choose to call belittle the post as "Hokey".

It was a yes or no question, Ryan.
 
It was a yes or no question, Ryan.

Yeahhhh you won't answer that question will you? Don't like that reality-based, scenario question to which we all know the answer to.
 
Yeahhhh you won't answer that question will you? Don't like that reality-based, scenario question to which we all know the answer to.

"Reality based scenario"?
 
Thank goodness the majority of DP members see it as a mental disorder. Good to know we're among rational posters.
 
Thank goodness the majority of DP members see it as a mental disorder. Good to know we're among rational posters.

I'm rational, don't agree with you, and I didn't vote. Not enough choices. There should be "it's just the way you are born" choice also. Why are you so worried about how others live their lives?
 
I'm rational, don't agree with you, and I didn't vote. Not enough choices. There should be "it's just the way you are born" choice also. Why are you so worried about how others live their lives?


Nobody is born this way and I will never be on the side of people who insist this is "normal". It's simply lost radical social leftism gone terribly wrong:

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It is a mental disorder and is not a choice. This disposition is either from the DNA or from their environment afterward. Just based on evolutionary grounds, homosexual activity doesn't increase survivability or reproduction. It is, therefore, a fluke within the species. Pardon the very unscientific language, but "male" and "female" have been designed by evolution in very specific ways. If sexual proclivity and gender aren't in accordance, something is wrong.
 
It is a mental disorder and is not a choice. This disposition is either from the DNA or from their environment afterward. Just based on evolutionary grounds, homosexual activity doesn't increase survivability or reproduction. It is, therefore, a fluke within the species. Pardon the very unscientific language, but "male" and "female" have been designed by evolution in very specific ways. If sexual proclivity and gender aren't in accordance, something is wrong.


I think it's more that humans are so advanced that statistically it was inevitable that some of our species would reach secluded levels of social isolation and social decadence that they convince themselves that they're not who they actually are. All trans are is humans that have lost their natural social path and have adopted a radically unnatural point of existence. Basically an environment-induced mental disorder of the highest magnitude.
 
I think it's more that humans are so advanced that statistically it was inevitable that some of our species would reach secluded levels of social isolation and social decadence that they convince themselves that they're not who they actually are. All trans are is humans that have lost their natural social path and have adopted a radically unnatural point of existence. Basically an environment-induced mental disorder of the highest magnitude.

While I agree, I don't actually push it to that extreme. I don't think it's of the highest magnitude. It's just queer (get my pun?). Gender Dysphoria doesn't make you harmful to others in and of itself. It doesn't remove you from being a productive citizen. It doesn't remove rational capacity. In my opinion, it's a rather light disorder. Outside of my opinion, it's still a disorder. "Male" is the sperm one, "female" is the egg one, and those two are supposed to mix nicely to increase survival and reproduction.

For the contrary opinion, I read some evolution narrative that talked about the primitive gay uncle. It allowed another male in the family, specifically one that wouldn't attempt to have sex with his relatives, and would be able to make decisions without much (or any) sexual desires influencing him. I think that this narrative has it's merits, but it would make a better narrative just to have 1 in 50 have really low sexual desire rather than be homosexual. That explanation is not entirely intuitive to me.
 
It might behoove you to take your own advice. Gender identity disorder is listed as a disorder in the DSM-5. You'd know that if you had done the research. What has changed are the recommendations for treatment, which are now that the body should be altered to fit the disorder. A stupid and political move on the part of the psychiatric community.

No, it is not...and here's proof. That proof also proves that you didn't do ANY research when you posted your reply to me...

APA Revises Manual: Being Transgender Is No Longer A Mental Disorder | ThinkProgress

Please note the sentence where it says that transgender is now NOT listed in the DSM-5 as a "disorder"...and if you can't read it by yourself (not being catty, I've noticed that several here are not from America or Canada, and English may not be their first language)....I'm sure someone will translate it for you.
 
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