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transgender a mental disorder

Is transgender a mental disorder

  • yes it is a mental disorder

    Votes: 30 76.9%
  • no it is a real birth defect

    Votes: 9 23.1%

  • Total voters
    39
The person you are responding to, aside, I'm not clear that the APA is as definitive as you represent them to be. From the APA website, under the question: "Is being transgender a mental disorder?":



Answers to your Questions About Transgender People, Gender Identity, and Gender Expression

They are clearly showing that there is disagreement in the mental health community.

Actually, the disagreement is whether or not GDD should be used as a diagnosis or not. The issue of whether transsexuality is a mental disorder is not the disagreement that is being discussed.
 
There is no proof either way... that is the beauty of my argument. Opinions are all that matter and mine matters most since it is correct.

Actually there is proof. That's the beauty of my argument. Your opinion is irrelevant because it is trumped by facts.
 
Suicides are also something crazy like 27 times more likely among trans. I wonder why? Because it's deep mental disorder.

A) Correlation does not equal causation.
B) There is no evidence that demonstrates that being transsexual is the reason why someone may be depressed or suicidal.
C) There IS evidence that negative social and vocational responses to one's transsexuality contributes to depression or suicidality of those individuals.
D) Transsexuality has already been determined to not be a mental disorder in and of itself.

In other words, your post fails on all levels.
 
Actually, the disagreement is whether or not GDD should be used as a diagnosis or not. The issue of whether transsexuality is a mental disorder is not the disagreement that is being discussed.

I'm not clear how you reach that conclusion. Are you a mental health professional?
 
Actually, the disagreement is whether or not GDD should be used as a diagnosis or not.

So question as a lay person. If Gender Dysphoria can be diagnosed, but isn't a a "mental disorder", what would it be diagnosed as?
 
Why can't it be both a disorder and something we get over and just work with?

"Disorder" =/= "illness", btw.

I think a lot of people are getting hung up on their emotional biases, on both sides of the question.
 
So question as a lay person. If Gender Dysphoria can be diagnosed, but isn't a a "mental disorder", what would it be diagnosed as?
Interesting question. If it isn't a "disorder", then it's nothing. If it's nothing, then it can't be diagnosed, because there is nothing to diagnose.
 
There ARE some problems with the concept of 'diagnosis' considering diagnosis is an ever evolving, ever changing process based ultimately on consensus and opinion. That being said...

The most recent iteration of the DSM does not list Transgenderism as a disorder. It lists Gender Dysphoria as a disorder but with the primary driver of stress as a RESULT of the 'condition'. The word Disorder was removed because it made people feel uncomfortable and stigmatized. Essentially...if someone was born as a man but believed they were supposed to be and in fact were a woman, they wouldnt necessarily be diagnosed. BUT...if someone were born as a man, believed they were supposed to be and in fact were a woman, and experienced great distress and ultimately emotional trauma due to the 'condition', the would be diagnosed.

Right now Bruce Jenner is a preop transgender. If he is cool with that...he would not be considered (lets call it) disordered. Should a year from now he decide to go the full Bobbit and have everything removed he STILL would not necessarily be diagnosed (disordered or otherwise). IF he walks up sees the stubble and the face and the shoulders and the hands and begins to think...Dooood...Im a DUDE...WTF was I THINKING and then proceeds into a spiraling funk...he would be diagnosed. Even then there are several considerations that DONT necessarily involve a GD diagnosis (something as simple as an adjustment disorder might be more appropriate.)
 
So question as a lay person. If Gender Dysphoria can be diagnosed, but isn't a a "mental disorder", what would it be diagnosed as?

Just go with the term. Dysphoria is a state of unease. Gender dysphoria is when an individual has a state of unease about their gender. It becomes a mental 'illness' when the individual becomes anorexic, or bulimic, or experiences extremes of depression, or becomes an addict to mask symptoms of unease.
 
I'm not clear how you reach that conclusion. Are you a mental health professional?


They're just biased and angry that we don't support pretending that a mental disorder is "normal".
 
It might behoove some of you to learn how to do actual research. The APA said in 2012 that being transgender is NOT a mental disorder, and I'll bet NONE of you who voted "yes" is a licensed psychiatrist.

APA Revises Manual: Being Transgender Is No Longer A Mental Disorder | ThinkProgress

It might behoove you to take your own advice. Gender identity disorder is listed as a disorder in the DSM-5. You'd know that if you had done the research. What has changed are the recommendations for treatment, which are now that the body should be altered to fit the disorder. A stupid and political move on the part of the psychiatric community.
 
So question as a lay person. If Gender Dysphoria can be diagnosed, but isn't a a "mental disorder", what would it be diagnosed as?

Gender Dysphoria is a mental disorder. But Gender Dysphoria is not the same thing as transsexualism.
 
Why can't it be both a disorder and something we get over and just work with?

"Disorder" =/= "illness", btw.

I think a lot of people are getting hung up on their emotional biases, on both sides of the question.

That is not accurate. In the medical/psychological field, a disorder is synonymous with an illness.
 
They're just biased and angry that we don't support pretending that a mental disorder is "normal".

You're just upset because your position on this topic has been completely destroyed, so you have to make stuff up to try to save face. It's not working.
 
It might behoove you to take your own advice. Gender identity disorder is listed as a disorder in the DSM-5. You'd know that if you had done the research. What has changed are the recommendations for treatment, which are now that the body should be altered to fit the disorder. A stupid and political move on the part of the psychiatric community.

It would behoove you to learn a bit about the topic before you confront someone. Gender Identity Disorder is NOT listed as a disorder in the DSM-V. Gender Dysphoric Disorder is. You'd know that if you did the research. Gender Dysphoric Disorder and transsexuality is not one and in the same. You'd know that if you did the research. The recommendations for treatment have been LONG standing and did not change when the DSM-V came out. These standards of care for transsexuals have been in existence since at LEAST 1980. See the Harry Benjamin SOC for reference. If you did the research, I wouldn't have had to correct you as much as I did. Keep that in mind for next time.
 
So question as a lay person. If Gender Dysphoria can be diagnosed, but isn't a a "mental disorder", what would it be diagnosed as?

"Not my problem". Seriously though, who cares what it is. It could be a mental disorder or something else, it doesn't change the fact that it's largely none of our business. It doesn't effect other folk, or infringe upon the rights of others. If some dude thinks he'd be happier as a chick and wants to take drugs and cut off bits and pieces, then that's his prerogative.
 
"Not my problem". Seriously though, who cares what it is. It could be a mental disorder or something else, it doesn't change the fact that it's largely none of our business. It doesn't effect other folk, or infringe upon the rights of others. If some dude thinks he'd be happier as a chick and wants to take drugs and cut off bits and pieces, then that's his prerogative.
That sums it up nicely.
 
Why can't or aren't we allowed to compare transgenderism to the animal kingdom though? I mean what truly happens in nature when an animal (which is exactly what we are), attempts to be the opposite sex and or for whatever reason begins mutilating its reproductive parts? How long does that wolf, that bear, that fox, how long does that animal truly last in the natural order of nature? Why do we have to lie and say that this is somehow "in line with nature" when we all know in nature such "sick" or whatever you wanna call them animals do not last and are usually sectioned off and removed by their predators relatively quickly.

I mean how long does a wolf that rips its privates out or attempts to mate with other male wolves truly last? 5 days? 2 days? 5 hours?


Why aren't we allowed to have an actual comparison to the natural world on this topic, if, as is argued, "It's none of our business" and "perfectly normal" when in the rest of the animal kingdom (where we come from) we all know this is dealt with very harshly by our fellow organisms?
 
Why can't or aren't we allowed to compare transgenderism to the animal kingdom though? I mean what truly happens in nature when an animal (which is exactly what we are), attempts to be the opposite sex and or for whatever reason begins mutilating its reproductive parts? How long does that wolf, that bear, that fox, how long does that animal truly last in the natural order of nature? Why do we have to lie and say that this is somehow "in line with nature" when we all know in nature such "sick" or whatever you wanna call them animals do not last and are usually sectioned off and removed by their predators relatively quickly.

I mean how long does a wolf that rips its privates out or attempts to mate with other male wolves truly last? 5 days? 2 days? 5 hours?


Why aren't we allowed to have an actual comparison to the natural world on this topic, if, as is argued, "It's none of our business" and "perfectly normal" when in the rest of the animal kingdom (where we come from) we all know this is dealt with very harshly by our fellow organisms?

As usual, your post makes no sense and is irrelevant to the topic at hand. Unless you can demonstrate that wolves, for example, struggle with a differentiation between sexual dimorphism in the brain and anatomy as humans do, your comments are invalid. Also, we know that for most animals, responses to instinct are most common, whereas humans have a higher level of brain functioning.
 
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