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Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

Do you believe pedophilia is a disorder?

  • Yes

    Votes: 27 58.7%
  • No

    Votes: 3 6.5%
  • It can be in some cases

    Votes: 3 6.5%
  • No, it's criminal even if it is a disorder

    Votes: 13 28.3%

  • Total voters
    46

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Being a pedophile is not a crime... it IS a disorder. ACTING on being a pedophile is a crime. It's a little bit sematical but that's the distinction.
 
If pedophilia is a choice one makes, then so too must homosexuality.




I believe neither of those to be true.
 
I agree with KevinKohler. It's not a choice and since it's not a normal or acceptable behavior pattern in our society calling it a disorder is probably sensible.
 
If pedophilia is a choice one makes, then so too must homosexuality.




I believe neither of those to be true.

Would you also agree that heterosexuality falls into the same category?
 
Yes, on it's face pedophillia is not a crime. It's the actual act of such that is a crime.
 
Would you also agree that heterosexuality falls into the same category?

It has to, if the first two are true. If I can't CHOOSE to be gay, neither then can I CHOOSE to be hetero.

The difference is, pedophilia is more rare, and harmful. Heterosexuality is the norm, and not harmful by it's nature. Homosexuality is less rare, but also not harmful.
 
Would you also agree that heterosexuality falls into the same category?

Haven't checked the stats recently but since 99%( gays make up only %1) of couples are hetero that points to the natural inclination of relationships. We don't think about it as a choice but just a natural response.So I understand why he made that comparison. When someone's says a lady had a natural birth with no complications, we immediately think the baby is healthy, but she could have had a Down syndrome baby which accounts for a small percentages of births. Just a comparison of how our minds work when we hear certain words.
 
Not allowing folks to act on their urges is the basis for our criminal laws. The fact that some "natural" urge triggers a criminal behavior does not make the selected victim feel that their rights were any less violated. Not guilty by reason of insanity (or a having a "disorder") should be replaced with guilty but insane.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/opinion/pedophilia-a-disorder-not-a-crime.html?_r=0

I had no idea there was support group for pedophiles who don't act on their urges. This article states that according to some MRI's these men were born this way. A push to call it a disorder rather than a crime.What are your thoughts?

ETA- for the grammar nazis, autocorrect misspelled pedo in my title;)

All pedophiles that rape young children, especially 12 and under, may have various mental or personaility disorders, but all are criminals---and all should be put to death ASAP.

Another thing to remember is that 2/3 rds of pedophile victims are girls---as men are responsible for virtually all acts of pedophilia. However, all men (or transexuals) who rape boys are by the very definition of the word, homosexuals.

MALE HOMOSEXUALS COMMIT A DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF CHILD SEX ABUSE CASES
Homosexual apologists admit that some homosexuals sexually molest children, but they deny that homosexuals are more likely to commit such offenses. After all, they argue, the majority of child molestation cases are heterosexual in nature. While this is correct in terms of absolute numbers, this argument ignores the fact that homosexuals comprise only a very small percentage of the population.

The evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls. To demonstrate this it is necessary to connect several statistics related to the problem of child sex abuse: 1) men are almost always the perpetrator; 2) up to one-third or more of child sex abuse cases are committed against boys; 3) less than three percent of the population are homosexuals. Thus, a tiny percentage of the population (homosexual men), commit one-third or more of the cases of child sexual molestation.

Family Research Council
 
All pedophiles that rape young children, especially 12 and under, may have various mental or personaility disorders, but all are criminals---and all should be put to death ASAP.

Another thing to remember is that 2/3 rds of pedophile victims are girls---as men are responsible for virtually all acts of pedophilia. However, all men (or transexuals) who rape boys are by the very definition of the word, homosexuals.

They're "by the very definition of the word" pedophiles.

Find another excuse to hate homosexuals. This one isn't convincing anyone but your fellow haters.
 
All pedophiles that rape young children, especially 12 and under, may have various mental or personaility disorders, but all are criminals---and all should be put to death ASAP.

Another thing to remember is that 2/3 rds of pedophile victims are girls---as men are responsible for virtually all acts of pedophilia. However, all men (or transexuals) who rape boys are by the very definition of the word, homosexuals.

MALE HOMOSEXUALS COMMIT A DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF CHILD SEX ABUSE CASES
Homosexual apologists admit that some homosexuals sexually molest children, but they deny that homosexuals are more likely to commit such offenses. After all, they argue, the majority of child molestation cases are heterosexual in nature. While this is correct in terms of absolute numbers, this argument ignores the fact that homosexuals comprise only a very small percentage of the population.

The evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls. To demonstrate this it is necessary to connect several statistics related to the problem of child sex abuse: 1) men are almost always the perpetrator; 2) up to one-third or more of child sex abuse cases are committed against boys; 3) less than three percent of the population are homosexuals. Thus, a tiny percentage of the population (homosexual men), commit one-third or more of the cases of child sexual molestation.

Family Research Council

Male heterosexuals with pedophilia cannot molest male children?
 
Another thing to remember is that 2/3 rds of pedophile victims are girls---as men are responsible for virtually all acts of pedophilia. However, all men (or transexuals) who rape boys are by the very definition of the word, homosexuals.

The reasoning of this paragraph switches logic midstream. In the first sentence, the fact of a man molesting a girl makes him a pedophile, while in the second sentence the fact of a man molesting a young boy makes him a homosexual. You have to pick one: is it the fact of him molesting a child or is it the gender of that young child the theme you want to go with?
 
If pedophilia is a choice one makes, then so too must homosexuality.




I believe neither of those to be true.

Agreed, neither is a choice.
Acting on homosexual orientation hurts no one, so there is no reason to suppress the urges.
Acting on a predilection to pedophilia hurts children, so acting on them is a crime.
 
Pedophilia is a disorder. Child abuse is a crime. They're not the same thing.

I feel bad for the pedophiles that resist the urge to molest kids. That's got to be a crappy way to live, knowing it's wrong to be attracted to children, but not being able to stop.
 
Having actually worked with pedophiles, I am convinced it is a treatable condition for some and an orientation for others. It has actually been fascinating meeting people who are utterly disgusted by their own sexual attractions to the point of distress. But there are plenty who utterly enjoy their sexual attraction to young children and see the sin as society interfering in their ability to act on it. It is such a complex issue. I see nothing morally wrong with sexual attraction to prepubescent children but I certainly see it as morally wrong to act upon it. As I understand some of the oldest laws in Mesopotamia acknowledged the existence of sexual attraction to children, but forbade people to act upon it for fear of the harm it would bring upon children.
 
Being a pedophile is not a crime... it IS a disorder. ACTING on being a pedophile is a crime. It's a little bit sematical but that's the distinction.

I would agree with this, but now I'm going to play Devil's Advocate and extend the question a bit?

Would creating/sharing/obtaining "kiddie porn" that is either animated or portrayed by adults made up to look like kids... in other words, no actual children were used at all... qualify as acting on it?
 
I would agree with this, but now I'm going to play Devil's Advocate and extend the question a bit?

Would creating/sharing/obtaining "kiddie porn" that is either animated or portrayed by adults made up to look like kids... in other words, no actual children were used at all... qualify as acting on it?

I've read people dealing with pedophiles are opposed to that kind of porn, but I can't see how it's any more problematic than any kind of fantasy porn, or different than a Hollywood movie that includes assassinations, murder, rape, robbery, drug dealing, drug use, etc. Compelling evidence could convince me otherwise, but I can't imagine why a LEGAL outlet for a fantasy that is illegal and harmful to society to act on is a problem. Especially, as I imagine the alternative to 'fake' kiddie porn involving no children is real kiddie porn that will harm the children involved.
 
They're "by the very definition of the word" pedophiles.

Find another excuse to hate homosexuals. This one isn't convincing anyone but your fellow haters.

I hate bad behaviors.

But all pedohpiles, homos or not, can be cured of their pedophila with a shot of lead, a rope....
 
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