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Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

Do you believe pedophilia is a disorder?

  • Yes

    Votes: 27 58.7%
  • No

    Votes: 3 6.5%
  • It can be in some cases

    Votes: 3 6.5%
  • No, it's criminal even if it is a disorder

    Votes: 13 28.3%

  • Total voters
    46
Male heterosexuals with pedophilia cannot molest male children?

That would make the sexually attracted to the same sex---If they commit some sexual act.

Men that "molest" young boys in a non-sexual manner are still criminals, and hang them as well.
 
Having actually worked with pedophiles, I am convinced it is a treatable condition for some and an orientation for others. It has actually been fascinating meeting people who are utterly disgusted by their own sexual attractions to the point of distress. But there are plenty who utterly enjoy their sexual attraction to young children and see the sin as society interfering in their ability to act on it. It is such a complex issue. I see nothing morally wrong with sexual attraction to prepubescent children but I certainly see it as morally wrong to act upon it. As I understand some of the oldest laws in Mesopotamia acknowledged the existence of sexual attraction to children, but forbade people to act upon it for fear of the harm it would bring upon children.

As a history buff that has very interesting connotations. Apparently pederasty was the norm in Ancient Greece and the Romans also had a very different view of masculinity compared to the modern day. If there were so many historical accounts of pedophilia Im beginning to wonder if it is in fact a sexual orientation like any other rather than a mental illness but I just dont know enough of the subject to form an opinion either way.
 
The reasoning of this paragraph switches logic midstream. In the first sentence, the fact of a man molesting a girl makes him a pedophile, while in the second sentence the fact of a man molesting a young boy makes him a homosexual. You have to pick one: is it the fact of him molesting a child or is it the gender of that young child the theme you want to go with?

Let's no confuse the issue with wiggle words:

mo·lest
verb \mə-ˈlest\

: to harm (someone) through sexual contact : to touch (someone) in a sexual and improper way

: to bother or annoy (someone or something)


ho·mo·sex·u·al
adjective \ˌhō-mə-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wəl, -ˈsek-shəl\

: sexually attracted to people of the same sex

: based on or showing a sexual attraction to people of the same sex


pe·do·phil·ia
noun \ˌpe-də-ˈfi-lē-ə, ˌpē-\

: sexual feelings or activities that involve children

: sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object

If you pick the real meaning of each word, then all men who molest boys are both pedophiles and homosexuals.

Knowing the basic meaning of want you are saying is logical.
 
Let's no confuse the issue with wiggle words:

No need to give me a vocabulary lesson -- I have access to a dictionary too. The question is what is the main principle you're operating on? Because you're changing principles midstream.
 
Pedophilia is a disorder kind of like rabies in a dog...and the treatment should be the same: execution.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/opinion/pedophilia-a-disorder-not-a-crime.html?_r=0

I had no idea there was support group for pedophiles who don't act on their urges. This article states that according to some MRI's these men were born this way. A push to call it a disorder rather than a crime.What are your thoughts?

ETA- for the grammar nazis, autocorrect misspelled pedo in my title;)

It's a disorder, but that doesn't mean they were born with it. Diabetes type 2 is a disorder caused by lifestyle.

I also believe they can't be cured.
 
An analogy. A fascination of fire is not a criminal offense. But acting upon that fascination (Arson) is indeed a criminal offense and rightfully so.
 
How the hell can pedophilia not be a disorder? Acting on the disorder is still going to be criminal no matter what the DSM does to this in category, so why the objection?
 
Simpleχity;1063880220 said:
An analogy. A fascination of fire is not a criminal offense. But acting upon that fascination (Arson) is indeed a criminal offense and rightfully so.

Good analogy.
 
Good analogy.

Agreed, though I think that if it became known that a person had an unhealthy disposition to fire he should probably be in a database of "persons of interest" in the event of an arson.
 
I've read people dealing with pedophiles are opposed to that kind of porn, but I can't see how it's any more problematic than any kind of fantasy porn, or different than a Hollywood movie that includes assassinations, murder, rape, robbery, drug dealing, drug use, etc. Compelling evidence could convince me otherwise, but I can't imagine why a LEGAL outlet for a fantasy that is illegal and harmful to society to act on is a problem. Especially, as I imagine the alternative to 'fake' kiddie porn involving no children is real kiddie porn that will harm the children involved.
I have heard two different points-of-view on this angle...

1) "Fake" kiddie porn fuels the desire and will lead to acting on it when the 'fake' stuff no longer satisfies.

2) "Fake" kiddie porn allows the 'user' a release and lessens the desire to act on it on real kids.

Most opponents claim #1, obviously, and as I understand it current law does not allow for 'fake' or 'fantasy' kiddie porn.

As far as myself, I can't bring myself to give the Official Radcen Seal of Approval for #2, but in trying to keep with my overall view of fairness and real justice I lean toward #2 as no actual kids were harmed or used, hence no crime has been committed.
 
Both.

While it may be a disorder, it does not have to be acted upon.
(kind of reminds you of the whole homosexual arguments, doesn't it.)

"In a survey answered by hundreds of rape and sexual assault support agencies, they estimated that 93.7 percent of male rape perpetrators are male and 6.3 percent were female. (Greenberg, Bruess and Haffner, 575)"http://thehathorlegacy.com/rape-statistics/

Interesting that most of the statistics don't disclose same-sex assault figures. They break down almost all other demographic data but exclude that. Political propaganda by official agencies maybe? Maybe the same as the FBI doesn't disclose the statistics about crimes with legally purchased guns and illegally obtained guns.
 
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It has to, if the first two are true. If I can't CHOOSE to be gay, neither then can I CHOOSE to be hetero.

The difference is, pedophilia is more rare, and harmful. Heterosexuality is the norm, and not harmful by it's nature. Homosexuality is less rare, but also not harmful.

Thank you. Your post demonstrates consistency.
 
Neither is pedophilia if you don't act on it.

Incorrect. The distress that it can cause, either through action, non-action, or because of the thoughts themselves demonstrate the disorder.
 
All pedophiles that rape young children, especially 12 and under, may have various mental or personaility disorders, but all are criminals---and all should be put to death ASAP.

Another thing to remember is that 2/3 rds of pedophile victims are girls---as men are responsible for virtually all acts of pedophilia. However, all men (or transexuals) who rape boys are by the very definition of the word, homosexuals.

MALE HOMOSEXUALS COMMIT A DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF CHILD SEX ABUSE CASES
Homosexual apologists admit that some homosexuals sexually molest children, but they deny that homosexuals are more likely to commit such offenses. After all, they argue, the majority of child molestation cases are heterosexual in nature. While this is correct in terms of absolute numbers, this argument ignores the fact that homosexuals comprise only a very small percentage of the population.

The evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls. To demonstrate this it is necessary to connect several statistics related to the problem of child sex abuse: 1) men are almost always the perpetrator; 2) up to one-third or more of child sex abuse cases are committed against boys; 3) less than three percent of the population are homosexuals. Thus, a tiny percentage of the population (homosexual men), commit one-third or more of the cases of child sexual molestation.

Family Research Council

This is completely invalid disinformation. Firstly, anything by Family Research Council is automatically invalid, as they are well known for lying with any information they present. Secondly, all research demonstrates that heterosexual men are the vast majority of folks who molest boys. Apparently you are one who is uneducated on sexuality and doesn't understand that one's attraction to children has nothing to do with one's sexual orientation. The former is a disorder; the latter is not. Men who molest boys are overwhelmingly heterosexuals.
 
I would agree with this, but now I'm going to play Devil's Advocate and extend the question a bit?

Would creating/sharing/obtaining "kiddie porn" that is either animated or portrayed by adults made up to look like kids... in other words, no actual children were used at all... qualify as acting on it?

I do not believe that what you presented would be "acting on" pedophilia. No children were harmed.
 
That would make the sexually attracted to the same sex---If they commit some sexual act.

No. It would make them attracted to CHILDREN of the same sex. Has nothing to do with which gender of adult they are attracted to (most likely female).
 
Let's no confuse the issue with wiggle words:

mo·lest
verb \mə-ˈlest\

: to harm (someone) through sexual contact : to touch (someone) in a sexual and improper way

: to bother or annoy (someone or something)


ho·mo·sex·u·al
adjective \ˌhō-mə-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wəl, -ˈsek-shəl\

: sexually attracted to people of the same sex

: based on or showing a sexual attraction to people of the same sex


pe·do·phil·ia
noun \ˌpe-də-ˈfi-lē-ə, ˌpē-\

: sexual feelings or activities that involve children

: sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object

If you pick the real meaning of each word, then all men who molest boys are both pedophiles and homosexuals.

Knowing the basic meaning of want you are saying is logical.

No, sexual orientation has nothing to do with pedophilia. One's sexual orientation is in regards to the ADULT gender that one is attracted to. Children are not part of that equation. Research consistently shows that males who molest boys are overwhelmingly HETEROSEXUALS. You don't seem to understand that attraction to adults and attraction to children in this case is mutually exclusive.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/opinion/pedophilia-a-disorder-not-a-crime.html?_r=0

I had no idea there was support group for pedophiles who don't act on their urges. This article states that according to some MRI's these men were born this way. A push to call it a disorder rather than a crime.What are your thoughts?

ETA- for the grammar nazis, autocorrect misspelled pedo in my title;)

Yes, it is a disorder and people should try to find help before they become criminals. When they become criminals the disorder status should not shield them from prosecution but make it even worse. In my country these pedo's would get maybe a shorter prison sentence but then a long stay in a mental health institute which would be able to keep them locked up until they feel he/she no longer is a danger to others and can be trusted slowly back into society. If the doctors are not convinced then the temporary "at the bequest of the government" will turn in to "in a mental institution until death", no further trial needed.
 
Of course it's a disorder if you want to do it.

It's a disorder AND a crime if you actually try to/do it.

Sounds like shrinks with too much time on their hands.
 
The options hint that pedophilia can either be a disorder or a crime. That is not the case. It is a disorder if they do not offend a child. Once they do then they are not above the law and will face penalties when caught.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/opinion/pedophilia-a-disorder-not-a-crime.html?_r=0

I had no idea there was support group for pedophiles who don't act on their urges. This article states that according to some MRI's these men were born this way. A push to call it a disorder rather than a crime.What are your thoughts?

ETA- for the grammar nazis, autocorrect misspelled pedo in my title;)

It depends on what is meant by disorder. Historically age of consent laws have been at least as early as 7 years of age in our culture and even now marriages in some countries can be performed at ages our present legal system considers pedophile.
 
The options hint that pedophilia can either be a disorder or a crime. That is not the case. It is a disorder if they do not offend a child. Once they do then they are not above the law and will face penalties when caught.

It can also be perfectly legal, as it seems to have been in Delaware in 1895, where according to the New York Times the age of consent seems to have been 7.
 
So if it is all beyond a person's control I.e. an imbalance in their brain, I suspect that there are various ways to rid ourselves of this pervasive problem. But, if a medical solution is not found, then a purely physical one could be used as a stronger deterrent.
 
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