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Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marriage?

Is SS Marriage a Reason for the decline.


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Heterosexual marriage is currently in decline, do you believe homosexual marriage is one of the reasons for that decline?

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Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

Heterosexual marriage is currently in decline, do you believe homosexual marriage is one of the reasons for that decline?

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Well it is fact before the first state to allow SSM, the divorce rate among heterosexuals was close to 50%. So not sure how anyone can blame SSM on the decline of marriage.
 
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Heterosexual marriage is currently in decline, do you believe homosexual marriage is one of the reasons for that decline?

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Gay "marriage" is a sick, disgusting abomination.
 
Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

Gay "marriage" is a sick, disgusting abomination.

Good thing your views on homosexuality and SSM don't count worth **** anymore.
 
Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

Gay "marriage" is a sick, disgusting abomination.

*yawn*


Back to the topic, 'the gays' aren't stealing or recruiting people onto 'their side'. There are a multitude of reasons for the decline in marriage. It's very difficult to get on the housing ladder in your 20's so people leave marriage until later when they have a home. Life expectancy is increasing so people leave their marriage till later in their lives. People are struggling to get going with their careers until their mid/late 20's so they wait until they're more secure financially.
 
Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

Because it condones that which is not natural.

Computers aren't natural. Get off it at once.
 
Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

Because it condones that which is not natural.

I think two people falling in love and wanting to committ to each other is very natural.
 
Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

I think two people falling in love and wanting to committ to each other is very natural.

I'm not against SSM.... but can't people do that anyway? Without the government telling you so?
 
Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

Because it condones that which is not natural.

Paleocon hates monogamy, apparently.

Moving on to people who have opinions that matter, yes, I believe legalizing SSM will have a mild negative impact on traditional marriage numbers, as closeted or disenfranchised citizens won't feel as obligated to take the traditional route, but those citizens will undoubtedly be happier as a result, and hopefully that will benefit marriage as a whole.
 
Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

I don't think it's a direct cause but it is a symptom of the larger trend toward secularization and the resultant rise in egocentric behavior.
 
Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

Well it is fact before the first state to allow SSM, the divorce rate among heterosexuals was close to 50%. So not sure how anyone can blame SSM on the decline of marriage.

While it is true that the divorce rate is around 50% overall, there is a bit of an issue with that number. As always, when you simplify things, it tends to leave space for many fallacies.

The reality is that in the USA, the divorce rate is so high due to a high number of people getting remarried and then divorcing again... and then remarrying again... and then divorcing again. So one faulty individual who can't stay married makes a mess of the stats for people who can.
+ you have vegas. And that's bad. No wonder Nevada has the highest divorce rates in the USA. And a few places behind it, California, the most populous state.

So that's just a friendly ammendment.

It has nothing to do with the topic. I too don't think SSM is hurting anyone else's marriage. Maybe Rick Santorums since hes' been so adamant about it.
 
Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

I'm not against SSM.... but can't people do that anyway? Without the government telling you so?

They can but that doesn't get them the validation they believe they deserve...from absolutely everybody.
 
Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

They can but that doesn't get them the validation they believe they deserve...from absolutely everybody.

Or the legal and financial protections...
 
Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

Computers aren't natural. Get off it at once.

Computers are not contrary to nature.

I think two people falling in love and wanting to committ to each other is very natural.

When those two individuals are capable of properly consummating their relationship.
 
Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

Paleocon hates monogamy, apparently.

Moving on to people who have opinions that matter, yes, I believe legalizing SSM will have a mild negative impact on traditional marriage numbers, as closeted or disenfranchised citizens won't feel as obligated to take the traditional route, but those citizens will undoubtedly be happier as a result, and hopefully that will benefit marriage as a whole.

Monogamy is not contrary to nature.
 
Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

Or the legal and financial protections...

Nah. I tried that and the result was that equal rights were insufficient. They wanted additional validation in the form of equating their union as being the same as those sanctioned by major religions.
 
Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

Computers are not contrary to nature.

Go find me a computer growing on a tree and we'll talk.
 
Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

I don't think anyone could ever convincingly prove the two are related.
 
Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

First, we really need to change how we calculate the marriage rate. It looks at how many females, 15 and older are married. It automatically throws off the numbers since there are states where no one can married under 17 or 18 (think one is even 19). That is a problem.

Second, there is no evidence of even a correlation let alone causation between same sex marriage and a declining marriage rate here in the US or anywhere else.
 
Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

Go find me a computer growing on a tree and we'll talk.

What?
 
Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

I think the biggest reason for the decline in heterosexual marriage is because women are finally getting better options. No longer do they have to rely on some loser man to have a stable and secure life, and they don't want to submit themselves to patriarchal nonsense. Women don't have to marry someone in order to get by, so now they aren't settling for partners that don't cut it. Much of "traditional" marriage has always been bad for women. For much of human history, it was literally sex slavery, where a woman was sold to a man by her father, and could be beaten into submission if she didn't want to have sex with her new husband (whom she had no say in choosing) and have his children. In this country alone, husbands could only be prosecuted for raping their wives since the 1970s. That's the marriage that's in decline. The marriage where women had to submit to a man in order to have a roof over her head, where her fortunes were never in her control, but were in his instead, and where she had the right not to have sex for the last 40 years (or as little as 21 years if you live in states like Oklahoma or North Carolina, or in South Carolina where marital rape prosecutions are very difficult to obtain at all, making it effectively legal today).

But, you know, it's because people are too "egotistical" now and don't love god enough. Funny how the Christian myth involves god raping a woman and forcing her to have his child, isn't it? Sounds like the real change is that women aren't forced to give up their own wants and choices and subordinate them to a man's choices anymore. Because a woman being as willful as a man is wrong, right?

Nah. I tried that and the result was that equal rights were insufficient. They wanted additional validation in the form of equating their union as being the same as those sanctioned by major religions.

Just like blacks wanted additional validation for their schools as being the same as those sanctioned by the white majority. Seriously, why do you need to attack the motives of gays in order to make yourself feel better? Separate but equal is unconstitutional. That means your civil union nonsense (which backwards religious schmucks only now cite as a compromise because it's too late, you fought tooth and nail to stop civil unions originally) is not sufficient. And for all your whining about religious marriage... tough. You and yours failed in whatever custodianship you ever had over society. We, the enlightened secular people, are making a better society than you ever could. And we will not ever let you drag it back down again.
 
Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

Monogamy is not contrary to nature.
I'm sorry you're against providing support for something that's natural.
Nah. I tried that and the result was that equal rights were insufficient. They wanted additional validation in the form of equating their union as being the same as those sanctioned by major religions.
"Separate but equal" wasn't equal enough for them?
 
Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

First, we really need to change how we calculate the marriage rate. It looks at how many females, 15 and older are married. It automatically throws off the numbers since there are states where no one can married under 17 or 18 (think one is even 19). That is a problem.

Second, there is no evidence of even a correlation let alone causation between same sex marriage and a declining marriage rate here in the US or anywhere else.
I think the numbers of SS marriages would have to be much higher before they started lowering the hetro marriage rate.
I can think of one historic case, in sixteenth century Spain, the numbers on young men going into
the priesthood, started effecting the economy. (and they were not getting married)
I could see something like this happening in China, a byproduct of their one child policy.
They may run out of girls to marry.
 
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