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Do you think the beheading of the woman in Okl was work place violence or terrorism?

Do you think the beheading of the woman in Okl was work place violence or terrorism?


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Re: Do you think the beheading of the woman in Okl was work place violence or terrori

I see it as a really good argument for capital punishment.
 
Re: Do you think the beheading of the woman in Okl was work place violence or terrori

Call it whatever you want, argue about it all day if that's what floats your boat, it changes nothing for the victim, she's still dead.


Colleen Hufford
She was a caring and compassionate person and a loving wife, mother and grandmother.

She went to work one day and didn't come home. She was killed violently at her workplace by a lunatic and i'm sure she was terrified.
 
Re: Do you think the beheading of the woman in Okl was work place violence or terrori

Homicide. The location doesn't really matter. As for it being related to terrorism, I have no freaking clue. Has the perpetrator expressed any political or social agenda as the reason for his actions?
 
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What do you think?

It most likely qualifies as "Lonewolf" terrorism, or a simple hate crime, depending on how one chooses to define the terms.

I can tell you straight up that it sure as Hell isn't "workplace violence," in any case.
 
Re: Do you think the beheading of the woman in Okl was work place violence or terrori

Call it whatever you want, argue about it all day if that's what floats your boat, it changes nothing for the victim, she's still dead.


Colleen Hufford
She was a caring and compassionate person and a loving wife, mother and grandmother.

She went to work one day and didn't come home. She was killed violently at her workplace by a lunatic and i'm sure she was terrified.

And the cowardly douchebag lunatic murdering son of a bitch deserves the strongest possible condemnation and punishment we can level on him regardless of his mental state or motives. I'd guess that's something most all of us could agree on.
 
Re: Do you think the beheading of the woman in Okl was work place violence or terrori

Call it whatever you want, argue about it all day if that's what floats your boat, it changes nothing for the victim, she's still dead.


Colleen Hufford
She was a caring and compassionate person and a loving wife, mother and grandmother.

She went to work one day and didn't come home. She was killed violently at her workplace by a lunatic and i'm sure she was terrified.

You got that right. It is not so much the being dead as the dying.
 
Re: Do you think the beheading of the woman in Okl was work place violence or terrori

The object of the tactic of terrorism is to create terror within some targeted political demographic and coerce some desired change in behavior as a result of that fear.
How does this case even remotely fit that criteria?

OJ beheaded his ex-wife.
He wasn't a terrorist either.
 
Re: Do you think the beheading of the woman in Okl was work place violence or terrori

The object of the tactic of terrorism is to create terror within some targeted political demographic and coerce some desired change in behavior as a result of that fear.
How does this case even remotely fit that criteria?

OJ beheaded his ex-wife.
He wasn't a terrorist either.

True. I don't feel terrified, I feel pissed off and I also feel a strong desire to show that coward what terror really means.
 
Re: Do you think the beheading of the woman in Okl was work place violence or terrori

It most likely qualifies as "Lonewolf" terrorism, or a simple hate crime, depending on how one chooses to define the terms. I can tell you straight up that it sure as Hell isn't "workplace violence," in any case.

The facts sure as hell don't support lone wolf terrorist at all. Guy gets canned and comes back to attack his co-workers. Being fired was the trigger, not a call to Jihad. He attacked his coworkers, not random people on the street. He made no plan to use bombs or other devices, just an impulse to get even for being fired.

Using your definition of lone wolf, every workplace attack is terrorism, and you have to use an extremely loose definition of hate crime to cover this. He didn't go hunting 'whitey', he was seeking revenge for being fired.

Pretty simple- cause and effect, no different than hundreds of other workplace murders, most are a result of being demoted or fired, next is divorce or failed office romance.

Terrorism.... naaaawwww... :peace
 
Re: Do you think the beheading of the woman in Okl was work place violence or terrori

Call it whatever you want, argue about it all day if that's what floats your boat, it changes nothing for the victim, she's still dead.
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That is true, but it matters in a fundamental way. Taking a "who gives a damn" stance on what the motives and methods to murder are, is a H. Clinton-esque approach, which says it doesnt matter, so why should we care. If it is terrorism, that is important. Terrorism is meant to effect society and culture. It is something that we need to have a n intelligent understanding of. The lone nut case going postal doesnt have that effect.
 
Re: Do you think the beheading of the woman in Okl was work place violence or terrori

That is true, but it matters in a fundamental way. Taking a "who gives a damn" stance on what the motives and methods to murder are, is a H. Clinton-esque approach, which says it doesnt matter, so why should we care. If it is terrorism, that is important. Terrorism is meant to effect society and culture. It is something that we need to have a n intelligent understanding of. The lone nut case going postal doesnt have that effect.

which says it doesnt matter, so why should we care.

No, it doesn't. I'm not saying her death doesn't matter. Her death does matter. She was someones loved one. Mother, Wife and Grandmother. My stance is it was a repulsive act irrespective of whether it's deemed work place violence or a Terrorist Act. If it is deemed workplace violence then that doesn't make it any less tragic or horrific in my eyes. If it is deemed a Terrorist act then it also doesn't make me more aware of the threat that extremists pose to civilians. You'd have to be living in a cave to not already be aware of that.

Terrorism is meant to effect society and culture. It is something that we need to have a n intelligent understanding of. If it is terrorism, that is important.

Lizzie, i've already got a very clear understanding of what Terrorism is. Terrorist attacks kill and maim thousands each year, the effect they can have on individuals and their families are horrific and the fear and threat of terrorism can have a crippling psychological effect on society. I get it. I know all that already.

I don't need to have her death classified as a Terrorist Act to convince me that extremist individuals and groups are a problem.
 
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Homicide. The location doesn't really matter. As for it being related to terrorism, I have no freaking clue. Has the perpetrator expressed any political or social agenda as the reason for his actions?

No, not when committing the crime. He was a Muslim though. But his religion wouldn't even be mentioned were he a Christian. He would just be a deranged and disgruntled employee.
 
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Lizzie, i've already got a very clear understanding of what Terrorism is. Terrorist attacks kill and maim thousands each year, the effect they can have on individuals and their families are horrific and the fear and threat of terrorism can have a crippling psychological effect on society. I get it. I know all that already.

I don't need to have her death classified as a Terrorist Act to convince me that extremist individuals and groups are a problem.

I don't either, but that's what the op was asking, and I do think that the distinction matters- a lot.
 
Re: Do you think the beheading of the woman in Okl was work place violence or terrori

Workplace violence by a sick man who desperately wants to belong, even if that means imitating some savages.
 
Re: Do you think the beheading of the woman in Okl was work place violence or terrori

True. I don't feel terrified, I feel pissed off and I also feel a strong desire to show that coward what terror really means.

Where is Dexter when we need him?
 
Re: Do you think the beheading of the woman in Okl was work place violence or terrori

I see it as a really good argument for capital punishment.

In a racist society that marginalizes African-Americans and deprives them of a good education and opportunities, is it any wonder that violent ideologies appeal to them?

Maybe we should target the social problems that cause "terrorism" instead of trying to make "terrorists" out of US citizens.
 
Re: Do you think the beheading of the woman in Okl was work place violence or terrori

What do you think?
He was suspended and escorted to the parking lot which most likely meant he was fired.Immediately after that he went home, got a blade,returned to the work place and stabbed a woman and cut her head off and attacked another person. Usually when a person is fired and starts killing people at his former place of employment its called going postal ie workplace violence. That individual is doing that is because he is bonkers and is doing that as some sort of revenge. If there wan't there fact he was suspended or fired then it could be reasonable to assume he did it as some sort of lone wolf terrorist act.I strongly suspect that if was not fired/suspended then he would not have murdered one person and attempted to murder another.
 
Re: Do you think the beheading of the woman in Okl was work place violence or terrori

In a racist society that marginalizes African-Americans and deprives them of a good education and opportunities, is it any wonder that violent ideologies appeal to them?

Maybe we should target the social problems that cause "terrorism" instead of trying to make "terrorists" out of US citizens.

Uhm, didn't this slimeball work in the same place as his victim? How is that being deprived of opportunity? I'm sure that subhuman cowardly waste of oxygen appreciates your support and justification of his actions. No conversation touching on terrorism, is complete until someone takes the inevitable position the that those who suffer terrorism are actually to blame for it.

This is why I agree with Lizzie that it is important to not shy away from calling something terrorism even if it offends the knee jerk defenders. At the same time, I think there's room for legit disagreement in this case. To me, "work place violence" just doesn't do justice to what this asshole did but neither am I terrorized or fearful at what happened, just incredibly angry and fervently wishing that the victim had had a gun to defend herself.
 
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No, not when committing the crime. He was a Muslim though. But his religion wouldn't even be mentioned were he a Christian. He would just be a deranged and disgruntled employee.

Well and a good many of you would claim he's obviously got ties to the TEA party.
 
Re: Do you think the beheading of the woman in Okl was work place violence or terrori

Where is Dexter when we need him?

We need a community service award for someone like that.
 
Re: Do you think the beheading of the woman in Okl was work place violence or terrori

In a racist society that marginalizes African-Americans and deprives them of a good education and opportunities, is it any wonder that violent ideologies appeal to them?

You really need to get your head out of the segregation era. It's long over.

Maybe we should target the social problems that cause "terrorism" instead of trying to make "terrorists" out of US citizens.

Most of the social problems today are a result of LBJ's Great Society programs.
 
Re: Do you think the beheading of the woman in Okl was work place violence or terrori

What do you think?

well it was violence in the work place so this is not an either or kind of thing

its only terrorism if your trying to scare some one into acing a certain way with out that agenda its just murder
 
Re: Do you think the beheading of the woman in Okl was work place violence or terrori

The facts sure as hell don't support lone wolf terrorist at all. Guy gets canned and comes back to attack his co-workers. Being fired was the trigger, not a call to Jihad. He attacked his coworkers, not random people on the street. He made no plan to use bombs or other devices, just an impulse to get even for being fired.

Using your definition of lone wolf, every workplace attack is terrorism, and you have to use an extremely loose definition of hate crime to cover this. He didn't go hunting 'whitey', he was seeking revenge for being fired.

Pretty simple- cause and effect, no different than hundreds of other workplace murders, most are a result of being demoted or fired, next is divorce or failed office romance.

Terrorism.... naaaawwww... :peace

Unless some sort of Islamic manifesto from this guy shows up on YouTube in the next few days, I think you're right about the attack not being "terrorism."

A beheading in Oklahoma: Was it terrorism or workplace violence?

Nolen, who was charged with first-degree murder last week and is likely to face the death penalty, "openly admitted to beheading" Hufford and trying to do the same to Johnson, according to a court affidavit. Authorities said he told investigators he had felt "oppressed" at work and was angry with Johnson, who had filed the complaint that led to his suspension. Johnson, who is white, and Nolen, who is African-American, had gotten into an argument about race, according to law enforcement officials.

"He didn't like white people," Cleveland County District Attorney Greg Mashburn said at a press conference last week, declining to elaborate further on their altercation. While Nolen told police he had deliberately gone after Johnson and planned to attack two other people, Hufford had not been a specific target, Mashburn said. She was just in the wrong place at the wrong time

However, the evidence would certainly point to it being more than mere "workplace violence" as well. It seems to have been a cut and dry hate crime.

A racist is suspended from work for racist comments, so he comes back and violently butchers two women of the race he happens to dislike?

Yea... Just change the race of the perpetrator to white, and the victims to black, and every Liberal news outlet in the country would be screaming about how this proves that "racism isn't dead" in America. :lol:
 
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