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Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 6 9.0%
  • No.

    Votes: 61 91.0%

  • Total voters
    67
LOL okay. If that is your perspective then...well....it is a perspective. I don't share it but oh well. I can't see that it will matter much when it is all said and done.
One kind of lie is deception, deception is concealing or misleading, one has to conceal and/or mislead in order to keep a non-disclosure agreement.

And if you brake the non-disclosure agreement then you lied to the party you signed the agreement with.

So if you sign a non-disclosure agreement, you lie no matter what you do.
 
Truth is objective.

Not always. You think that carrying a concealed weapon is lying. I think it is none of anyone's business, thus is not lying. These two opinions are subjective, based on our own points of view. There are some things which are factually true, and cannot be questioned. This is not one of those.
 
Not always. You think that carrying a concealed weapon is lying. I think it is none of anyone's business, thus is not lying. These two opinions are subjective, based on our own points of view. There are some things which are factually true, and cannot be questioned. This is not one of those.
You're talking about bold-faced lies, but that's not the only kind of lie.

Different Types of Lies - Science of People
HowStuffWorks "The Basics of Lies"

Concealing is deception and deception is a lie. Rather or not it's anyone's business is not a part of the definitions of these words and so what is whose business has nothing to do with anything.
 
I marked "no" I am a conservative. If I were a liberal, I would have answered "yes". "Hussein" lies all the time.
 
Concealing is deception and deception is a lie. Rather or not it's anyone's business is not a part of the definitions of these words and so what is whose business has nothing to do with anything.

Do you have a moral obligation to tell everyone everything you do?
 
Do you have a moral obligation to tell everyone everything you do?
So instead of sticking to the topic you want to discuss members.

Yes I lie all the time. I keep many things concealed, both personally and professionally. I lie every single day.

And so do you.

Everyone lies, every day.

You said lying is subjective but it's the value judgment one places on a given lie which is subjective, not rather or not the thing don was a lie.
 
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Definition of LYING
: marked by or containing falsehoods : false <a lying account of the accident>
Websters online



Perjury
A crime that occurs when an individual willfully makes a false statement during a judicial proceeding, after he or she has taken an oath to speak the truth.
perjury legal definition of perjury

Choosing not to disclose information is not lying per the dictionary and is not perjury under the law.
 
Yes, depending on the circumstances.
 
Here? No. In the real world? I can imagine some scenarios.
 
Choosing not to disclose information is the lie of omission.

HowStuffWorks "The Basics of Lies"
Different Types of Lies - Science of People

The dictionary and the law are the definitions that matter. Scientists do not create the meanings of words that are not scientific terms. The dictionary is based on how a word is actually used, which is done by surveying a variety of written and spoken language. Not disclosing information may be dishonest in some situations, but it is not lying. Choosing not to disclose information is not even close to lying, deceit or dishonesty unless one is asked for that information. Saying "I don't want to disclose that information" when asked a question is truthful and involves no deceit.
 
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The dictionary and the law are the definitions that matter.
No cherry-picking please. Websters and the law do matter, but this isn't a legal discussion so other material on the topic matters as well.

Not disclosing information may be dishonest in some situations, but it is not lying.
Like many, you think of a lie as an overt or bold-faced lie, directly saying something that is false when you know it's false. That's only one kind of lie, though. Dishonesty is deceit so dishonesty is lying. Anything less than the pure, perfect white truth is a lie, some shade of grey.

Choosing not to disclose information is not even close to lying, deceit or dishonesty unless one is asked for that information. Saying "I don't want to disclose that information" when asked a question is truthful and involves no deceit.
That you don't want to disclose is truthful, that you will not disclose is truthful, but the act of not disclosing is the lie; you are covering up the truth. Even when you tell the person you will not uncover the truth, you are still covering the truth, and covering the truth is a lying.
 
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That you don't want to disclose is truthful, that you will not disclose is truthful, but the act of not disclosing is the lie; you are covering up the truth. Even when you tell the person you will not uncover the truth, you are still covering the truth, and covering the truth is a lying.

Your definition of "lying" is so broad as to be useless (and actually in my view harmful) in the real world. I don't think a definition that equates the act of lying about my awesome physique by wearing a shirt with me telling my wife I went fishing yesterday and instead went to see my mistress helps us understand an action or inaction at all - in fact it's harmful to our understanding.

For example, in two distinct areas of my life, I'm prohibited from revealing certain confidences. It's just not a "lie" to adhere to ethical standards and refuse to reveal what I'm obligated to keep confidential. And when you conclude that doing so is a "lie" as you appear to do, you've so mangled the word "lie" so that is diminishes our understanding of human behavior. The "lie" in that circumstance is promising to keep information confidential, then revealing it. But in your definition, I will 'lie" whether or not I reveal the confidential information. The word cannot encompass both acts - maintaining a confidence I promised to keep AND revealing it. Of if the word "lie" does encompass both acts, it's lost all meaning.

As to the OP, I wouldn't ever lie to advance a political agenda, such as it is. Can't see why that would ever be necessary. It would mean that I have, or express, an opinion on some matter that runs contrary to what I KNOW of the facts and evidence. When that has happened in my life, and it's happened many times, I've changed my opinion. It's why I used to consider myself a conservative and voted straight GOP for roughly 20 years, and now do not.
 
Your definition of "lying" is so broad as to be useless (and actually in my view harmful) in the real world. I don't think a definition that equates the act of lying about my awesome physique by wearing a shirt with me telling my wife I went fishing yesterday and instead went to see my mistress helps us understand an action or inaction at all - in fact it's harmful to our understanding.

For example, in two distinct areas of my life, I'm prohibited from revealing certain confidences. It's just not a "lie" to adhere to ethical standards and refuse to reveal what I'm obligated to keep confidential. And when you conclude that doing so is a "lie" as you appear to do, you've so mangled the word "lie" so that is diminishes our understanding of human behavior. The "lie" in that circumstance is promising to keep information confidential, then revealing it. But in your definition, I will 'lie" whether or not I reveal the confidential information. The word cannot encompass both acts - maintaining a confidence I promised to keep AND revealing it. Of if the word "lie" does encompass both acts, it's lost all meaning.

As to the OP, I wouldn't ever lie to advance a political agenda, such as it is. Can't see why that would ever be necessary. It would mean that I have, or express, an opinion on some matter that runs contrary to what I KNOW of the facts and evidence. When that has happened in my life, and it's happened many times, I've changed my opinion. It's why I used to consider myself a conservative and voted straight GOP for roughly 20 years, and now do not.
I didn't define lying. It is what it is.
 
I suspect that a good number of the vast majority who said NO would gladly use a highly selective variation of what the TRUTH is based on their own personal belief system. They would not see it as lying but it is not completely honest just the same.
 
I suspect that a good number of the vast majority who said NO would gladly use a highly selective variation of what the TRUTH is based on their own personal belief system. They would not see it as lying but it is not completely honest just the same.

Bingo! Spoken like a true expert on the subject.
 
Bingo! Spoken like a true expert on the subject.

having been on message boards for over a dozen or so years with a strong right libertarian contingent, I learned first hand about the tactic. You learn how proselytizing missionaries run their scams while passing the lie detector tests with a smile on their faces.
 
having been on message boards for over a dozen or so years with a strong right libertarian contingent, I learned first hand about the tactic. You learn how proselytizing missionaries run their scams while passing the lie detector tests with a smile on their faces.

Birds of a feather.....
 
Never. Integrity is everything. You dont have it, you might as well off yourself
 
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