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2016 - if it comes down to Clinton vs. Bush

What will you do?

  • Not vote

    Votes: 5 4.9%

  • Vote for Clinton

    Votes: 33 32.4%

  • Vote for Bush

    Votes: 28 27.5%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 3.9%

  • Other

    Votes: 32 31.4%
  • Total voters
    102
Ikari said:
I think it's an stupid thing to do. It could be OK as a one off, but election after election? Nope just drags us all to hell. Of course, if that is your goal then it is the "smart" choice.
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Your hell is my comfort zone.
 
Fiddytree said:
Your hell is my comfort zone.
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My hell is the destruction of the Republic. If that's your comfort zone, then so be it. But I don't endorse the loss of freedom and liberty to the gross expansion of government power and force.
 
Ikari said:
My hell is the destruction of the Republic. If that's your comfort zone, then so be it. But I don't endorse the loss of freedom and liberty to the gross expansion of government power and force.
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Given your proclivity to exaggerate, the Death of the Republic is hardly what I would call it.
 
Fiddytree said:
Given your proclivity to exaggerate, the Death of the Republic is hardly what I would call it.
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That's because you choose your own propaganda. But the end result is the same. Supporting the status quo priferates the status quo. And currently we're on the big government, big brother, big war, big deficit, big corporate welfare road.

Supporting the status quo will never change it.
 
doniston said:
No, I'm not joking, and a third party candidate like Romney is the only hope to break the spell of the contineous round robin that we have been on for the past twenty years.or so. if you don'l like Romney, NAME ANOTHER that would have a chance.
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Romney's establishment! If half of the independents voted for the libertarian party, we'd have a third party. I'm just wondering when Americans are going to stop voting for the smart ass and dumb elephant.
 
Navy Pride said:
Everyone knows I am a huge fan of GWB but Jeb is a lot smarter the George and he would bring Florida in the foal therefore I would vote for Jeb in a NY minute.
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Stop compounding America's problems. And don't admit the bolded in public!
 
Navy Pride said:
All a 3rd party does is screw things up........They have zerro chance of electing their candidate.
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That's because Americans repeat the same mistake again and again.
 
Navy Pride said:
That is a little harsh my left wing friend. If you think our system is so bad you can move to Iran or Cuba.
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Isn't that line wore thin. Dissent should not be met with an invitation to leave.
 
Montecresto said:
Romney's establishment! If half of the independents voted for the libertarian party, we'd have a third party. I'm just wondering when Americans are going to stop voting for the smart ass and dumb elephant.
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So Instead of complaining, help find a third alternative that the independents can find appealing. and the problem will be solved, I also am opposed to both parties but I try to make the best of things. let's start "THE ALTERNATIVE PARTY" ----- TAP------(and TAP the presently non-voting reserve)
 
doniston said:
So Instead of complaining, help find a third alternative that the independents can find appealing. and the problem will be solved, I also am opposed to both parties but I try to make the best of things. let's start "THE ALTERNATIVE PARTY" ----- TAP------(and TAP the presently non-voting reserve)
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Dude, I have one vote, sorry to disappoint you, but it's never given to either of the albatrosses. And, I said "......if half of the independents voted for the Libertarian Party, we'd have a third party" what else must I find?

Do you understand that in the last presidential election the democrats won, republicans finished second, the Libertarian Party finished third, the Green Party finished fourth and the Constitutional Party finished fifth. Independents could bump the Libertarian Party up, at least one notch!
 
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Montecresto said:
Dude, I have one vote, sorry to disappoint you, but it's never given to either of the albatrosses. And, I said "......if half of the independents voted for the Libertarian Party, we'd have a third party" what else must I find?

Do you understand that in the last presidential election the democrats won, republicans finished second, the Libertarian Party finished third, the Green Party finished fourth and the Constitutional Party finished fifth. Independents could bump the Libertarian Party up, at least one notch!
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and you still wouldn't win, The only winning strategy is an all inclusive third party not just the libertarian party.

what else should you find? that all inclusive party. all these fringe parties need to come as one to have a chance.
 
doniston said:
and you still wouldn't win, The only winning strategy is an all inclusive third party not just the libertarian party.

what else should you find? that all inclusive party. all these fringe parties need to come as one to have a chance.
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Ok, 15-20% of independents lean left and likely vote democrat. 15-20% of independents lean right and likely vote republican! and 10-15% are truly independent and those votes may go democrats! republicans or third parties. But if half of all independent voters voted for, as an example, the Libertarian Party, that would be a game changer.
 
Montecresto said:
Ok, 15-20% of independents lean left and likely vote democrat. 15-20% of independents lean right and likely vote republican! and 10-15% are truly independent and those votes may go democrats! republicans or third parties. But if half of all independent voters voted for, as an example, the Libertarian Party, that would be a game changer.
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That is likely true, but it won't happen, You are simply adding a third specific choice, wherein it has to be a specific ANTI choice against the two major parties without I Identifying a specific set of ideologies that the voters have to agree to. It won't happen wtih the Libertarian party as a absolute choice.
 
doniston said:
That is likely true, but it won't happen, You are simply adding a third specific choice, wherein it has to be a specific ANTI choice against the two major parties without I Identifying a specific set of ideologies that the voters have to agree to. It won't happen wtih the Libertarian party as a absolute choice.
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Sure dude. Keep voting d & r.
 
Montecresto said:
Sure dude. Keep voting d & r.
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I have no choice if I want my vote to count, Die-hards like you are just as deadset on your own mini brand of political party, as ultra-libs and ultra-cons. are with there's. yors isn't ultra, but still a LIB
 
doniston said:
I have no choice if I want my vote to count, Die-hards like you are just as deadset on your own mini brand of political party, as ultra-libs and ultra-cons. are with there's. yors isn't ultra, but still a LIB
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I have no political party. And what do you mean, "die hard"? And what are you talking about ultra?
 
doniston said:
I have no choice if I want my vote to count, Die-hards like you are just as deadset on your own mini brand of political party, as ultra-libs and ultra-cons. are with there's. yors isn't ultra, but still a LIB
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It's sad that for your vote to "count" you feel that you have to te for the status quo. If enough of us said "no more" they'd have to listen for a change. I guess if you're good with how it is, go for it.
 
Montecresto said:
I have no political party. And what do you mean, "die hard"? And what are you talking about ultra?
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were you not touting the libertarian party in post 185? You sure sounded Diehard to me, and Ultra is the term used to describe the far right, and the far left
 
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rocket88 said:
It's sad that for your vote to "count" you feel that you have to te for the status quo. If enough of us said "no more" they'd have to listen for a change. I guess if you're good with how it is, go for it.
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Do you realize the small pecentage of elgibles who vote now? that just makes it easier for them to win. I agree that if the desentors would all vote "none of he above" you plan might work, but "pigs don't fly" either
 
doniston said:
were you not touting the libertarian party in post 185? You sure sounded Diehard to me, and Ultra is the term used to describe the far right, and the far left
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It's just an example. The independents could vote for the Green or the Constitutional Parties! I'm neither a partisan left or right.
 
cannot vote (not American) but will follow the whole election with enormous attention.
 
Montecresto said:
It's just an example. The independents could vote for the Green or the Constitutional Parties! I'm neither a partisan left or right.
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Strange, you certainly sounded like you were a Libertarian. If it walks like a duck, talks like a---*****************!!!!.
 
doniston said:
Strange, you certainly sounded like you were a Libertarian. If it walks like a duck, talks like a---*****************!!!!.
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See, this is the typical response. Because I may have agreed with the Libertarians on something, namely foreign policy, I must be a Libertarian. I agree with sound policy, wherever it might come from. Most Libertarian domestic policy disturbs me. I typically lean with liberals on most social issues. I also lean towards the conservative right on fiscal matters, though to be clear, it's their stated fiscal positions, not their practiced fiscal positions, which in the end are little different from the liberal democrats. I have an interest, perhaps concern even, for global warming and specific environmental issues. I live in a solar powered house, catch my water from the rain in cisterns, grow some of my own food, raise cows and build ponds on my land, so the Green Party has some appeal to me. And then theirs the Constitutional Party, something sound about that! You cannot pigeon hole me, because I am no partisan, have no loyalty to any party. But give a third Party a chance, and they do a good job, I may become a party to them.
 
doniston said:
Do you realize the small pecentage of elgibles who vote now? that just makes it easier for them to win. I agree that if the desentors would all vote "none of he above" you plan might work, but "pigs don't fly" either
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True, but you get the government you vote for. I usually get the government I don't vote for, but at least I fought with the one weapon I have at my disposal.
 
Montecresto said:
See, this is the typical response. Because I may have agreed with the Libertarians on something, namely foreign policy, I must be a Libertarian. I agree with sound policy, wherever it might come from. Most Libertarian domestic policy disturbs me. I typically lean with liberals on most social issues. I also lean towards the conservative right on fiscal matters, though to be clear, it's their stated fiscal positions, not their practiced fiscal positions, which in the end are little different from the liberal democrats. I have an interest, perhaps concern even, for global warming and specific environmental issues. I live in a solar powered house, catch my water from the rain in cisterns, grow some of my own food, raise cows and build ponds on my land, so the Green Party has some appeal to me. And then theirs the Constitutional Party, something sound about that! You cannot pigeon hole me, because I am no partisan, have no loyalty to any party. But give a third Party a chance, and they do a good job, I may become a party to them.
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good for you, I am in the same boat,,--mostly, I want to see a third party but it needs to be one that can win, otherwise the best i Can do is vote for the better person. not just wait for a third party.
 
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