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Is There Such a Thing as "White Privilege"?

Is there such a thing as White Privilege?

  • Yes

    Votes: 50 59.5%

  • No

    Votes: 34 40.5%
  • Total voters
    84
Grand Mal said:
Could mean, yes, but it's definitely a Scots name.
Hell, it could be a dog or a disease or a star in the Andromeda galaxy.
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The name Derek is a shortened form of Deodric which is a German name. The last name Murray could be either German or Scottish, depending on the ancestry of the person in question.
 
John Mays Lives said:
If you are going to sit here and try to convince anyone that the names Murray and Chen don't bring with them certain assumptions grounded in the perceived ethnicity of the individuals, there are only two possibilities. A) That you are being argumentative for entertainment (which I get, totally and am guilty of myself quite often) or B) that you are having a hard time rebutting the argument presented but won't allow yourself to just say so (another situation I totally get and have found myself guilty of) so you are just making categorical denials instead of constructed arguments.
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Murray could be a number of races. black, could be white. Its safe to assume they speak english. You say it can only be associated with white people. That is false.

And you keep ignoring that based on statistics, asians are getting the interviews and doing better than white people. I see why because it paralyzes your argument. So you overlook it and repeat the same rhetoric
 
John Mays Lives said:
The name Derek is a shortened form of Deodric which is a German name. The last name Murray could be either German or Scottish, depending on the ancestry of the person in question.
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Now you are assuming said hiring manager is an expert in anthropology.

And even if what you say is true, we all realize the african american ancestors took the sur name of their white masters. So your argument is again defeated
 
The Mark said:
Why is it assumed that the one individual will speak English well and the other not, simply based on a name on a resume?
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Its not, there is more likely and more likely not. Are you arguing that a person named derek murray is no more likely to speak english at an acceptable proficiency than someone named thuc chen?
 
John Mays Lives said:
Maybe maybe maybe.

Here's another example, and be honest: If you see the two names Tyrone and Bernard, which do you think is the black one?
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I assume they are both black as i have never met a person named tyrone or bernard that wasnt black.

How about john, how about charles, leslie, who cares. They could be any ethnicity but you assume they all communicate in english.

You cannot assume that with names of other nationalties. Its not racist, its business. If you are a hiring manager and for whatever reason you will only select one resume to interview.
 
Grand Mal said:
Could mean, yes, but it's definitely a Scots name.
Hell, it could be a dog or a disease or a star in the Andromeda galaxy.
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That's what I'm trying to say though - I don't see a Scots name at all, because I have no background or knowledge that would indicate said name is likely of Scottish ancestry when I see it.
 
Sabanist said:
Its not, there is more likely and more likely not. Are you arguing that a person named derek murray is no more likely to speak english at an acceptable proficiency than someone named thuc chen?
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Yes, I am.
 
Sabanist said:
Murray could be a number of races. black, could be white. Its safe to assume they speak english. You say it can only be associated with white people. That is false.

And you keep ignoring that based on statistics, asians are getting the interviews and doing better than white people. I see why because it paralyzes your argument. So you overlook it and repeat the same rhetoric
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Show me your statistics.
 
Sabanist said:
Now you are assuming said hiring manager is an expert in anthropology.

And even if what you say is true, we all realize the african american ancestors took the sur name of their white masters. So your argument is again defeated
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I never made an assumption about the hiring manager. I simply shared some information with another poster as an aside about the ETYMOLOGY (as opposed to anthropology) of the names in question. While I have no name to make assumptions about your English skills, I am beginning to draw conclusions about them from your posts.

You only bolster my position by pointing out that African slaves took the surnames of their WHITE masters and the privilege that came with that.
 
Sabanist said:
You cannot assume that with names of other nationalties. Its not racist, its business. If you are a hiring manager and for whatever reason you will only select one resume to interview.
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Actually, I make no assumptions anymore. Or, rather, when I catch myself making assumptions, I make a conscious effort to put them out of decision process. And I looked at several candidates and interviewed 7. These were the two I received on the first day and they stand out because they feature prominently in my life to this day.
 
Sabanist said:
Well, there are probably no links but some things are just common sense
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"Common sense" is the argument typically reserved to defend a position that is quite common but has nothing to do with good sense.
 
Sabanist said:
Well, there are probably no links but some things are just common sense
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That's not common sense, it's an assumption.

Logic would dictate that since travel is so relatively easy these days, people immigrate more.
And keep their names.
It thus follows that a name does not provide an accurate indicator of a person, beyond ancestry.
 
If the manager in question is selecting a person for an interview based solely on their name, that manager is not a good manager.

Or at least not good at hiring new employees.

A good manager would interview BOTH.
 
The Mark said:
If the manager in question is selecting a person for an interview based solely on their name, that manager is not a good manager.

Or at least not good at hiring new employees.

A good manager would interview BOTH.
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That does not fit the parameter of the scenario. It was presented with 2 resumes and was only going to select one for interview.

I didnt make the scenario, im expressing realities within the parameters.
 
Sabanist said:
That does not fit the parameter of the scenario. It was presented with 2 resumes and was only going to select one for interview.

I didnt make the scenario, im expressing realities within the parameters.
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Then that company has a flawed hiring process.

If the two applicants have identical resumes, they both should be interviewed.

I'm saying the scenario is unacceptable.
 
Thats not what the op is about. Its about the myth that is white privilege
 
The Dem Socialist qalways post anonymous polls... I refuse to participate in them.
 
Sabanist said:
I see, this has become the token defense of the left. So? If there is white privilege those white kids would be doing better socioeconomically as they entered the work force. But it aint so.

The truth is that if both white and asian families put a higher priority on education and maintain the family unit, its no wonder they do better.
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No it's because the immigrants coming from those countries are the well educated and wealthy ...

Look at the asians immigrating to other countries ... look at for example the difference between middle eastern People in America, who tend to be wealthier and more educated, and People from the middle east in Europe ... HUGE difference ... coming from the same countries With the same culture and the same religion and everything.
 
rocket88 said:
Depends on where you are, but yes. There's a suburb of Buffalo (which I won't name) where "Driving While Black" is almost certainly a crime.
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I'm glad we've got it narrowed down to a suburb in Buffalo, problem solved.
 
RGacky3 said:
No it's because the immigrants coming from those countries are the well educated and wealthy ...

Look at the asians immigrating to other countries ... look at for example the difference between middle eastern People in America, who tend to be wealthier and more educated, and People from the middle east in Europe ... HUGE difference ... coming from the same countries With the same culture and the same religion and everything.
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So you deny that as a group asian and white families are more intact and a higher value is out on education?

And so what if they were wealthy? Which in still not conceding. I known allot of asian families and while successful, they are not rich.

But im not even talking about the first generation folks. In talking bout their kids and grand kids. If there were white privelage, they would not be doing as well as whites educationally or in the workplace. They do better than whites.
 
Sabanist said:
1. So you deny that as a group asian and white families are more intact and a higher value is out on education?

2. And so what if they were wealthy? Which in still not conceding. I known allot of asian families and while successful, they are not rich.

3. But im not even talking about the first generation folks. In talking bout their kids and grand kids. If there were white privelage, they would not be doing as well as whites educationally or in the workplace. They do better than whites.
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1. Asian and white families where and in what socio-economic class?

2. They are more wealthy BEFORE THEY CAME TO AMERICA ... that's the point, many latin American People come from dirt poor countries that were in the middle of WARs.

3. Again, look at "asians" in different countries .... they do better on average not because there is some Cultural difference, there are plenty of socio-economic conditions that make a difference ...
 
1. Asian and whites as individual races in the united states. Not sure of the class. But with asian families its 70 something pct of children are born to married couples. If you dont think that matters then i dont think we should converse about it further because we likely will not agree .

2. So what? What i keep repeating is that even if they did, their kids would not be doing as well if there were white privilege in this country. They do better than whites so it eliminated the idea there is white privilege.

3. How asians do in their country of origin has nothing to do with white privilege. Leftists claim their is some advantage in the united states because you are white. There isnt. If there were, people from other races within the United States would not make as much money or be as accomplished academically as white people.
 
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