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Fox News Poll: Voters reveal which state they want kicked out of the union

Unrepresented said:
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LOL !!

Love the one dimensional graph minus ANY context to back up its claims.
 
Fenton said:
LOL !!

Love the one dimensional graph minus ANY context to back up its claims.
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I thought it was self explanatory, but I'll be more thorough this time.

You're claiming that:
Fenton said:
I'm not naive enough to think that tax increases equate to income equality let alone a improved economy or even increase revenues.

I'm much too pragmatic to think that targeting wealth creation is a good idea.
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So, I posted a chart showing that a change in tax rate didn't significantly help or hinder the GDP, historically.

Unrepresented said:
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If we compare that chart to other charts of economic trends we should be familiar with, like income equality:

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We can see a correlation between the decreased marginal tax rates and the middle class percentage of overall wealth.

Here's a graph showing the relationship between revenues and tax rates:

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Tax rate increases correlate to increase in revenue, while tax cuts do the opposite.

As to "improved economy" are we looking just at GDP or are we looking at what the median income is experiencing? The economy doesn't improve for me if the 1% get richer at my expense. Should their isolated and robust gains be considered an "improved economy" or should that be measured by how the rest of the country is doing?
 
Unrepresented said:
I thought it was self explanatory, but I'll be more thorough this time.

You're claiming that:


So, I posted a chart showing that a change in tax rate didn't significantly help or hinder the GDP, historically.



If we compare that chart to other charts of economic trends we should be familiar with, like income equality:

MiddleClass_6.png


Gdp_versus_household_income.png


We can see a correlation between the decreased marginal tax rates and the middle class percentage of overall wealth.

Here's a graph showing the relationship between revenues and tax rates:

Do%20Tax%20Cuts%20Increase%20Revenues.jpg


Tax rate increases correlate to increase in revenue, while tax cuts do the opposite.

As to "improved economy" are we looking just at GDP or are we looking at what the median income is experiencing? The economy doesn't improve for me if the 1% get richer at my expense. Should their isolated and robust gains be considered an "improved economy" or should that be measured by how the rest of the country is doing?
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You just posted different charts that all make the SAME general and arbitrary connection.


Lol....

How about applying these left wing narratives practically.

Hmmm...how can we do this..

Oh !! I know. Let's compare States with varying levels of local and State tax burdens.

Lets do the Highest tax burden and lowest tax burden States

California and Texas.
 
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I say we put a fence around Georgia and make a zoo for liberals.
 
Fenton said:
You just posted different charts that all make the SAME general and arbitrary connection.


Lol....

How about applying these left wing narratives practically.

Hmmm...how can we do this..

Oh !! I know. Let's compare States with varying levels of local and State tax burdens.

Lets do the Highest tax burden and lowest tax burden States

California and Texas.
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Let's just cut to the chase and determine how quality of life is between the two.

Here's how the two rank in obesity:

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Here's accidental death:

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Here's gender pay rate equality:

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Here's how long your dog is expected to live:

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Here's how likely your teenage daughter will get knocked up:

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As everyone can see by the color coded map and the graph I've attached, progressives are clearly beating conservatives by a very wide margin.

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I see from this thread that many more conservatives want to exile the non-their-side types than liberals. But liberals are the "authoritarians."

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
 
Unrepresented said:
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Whenever I see someone mention household income (invariably a liberal) I have to lolz because I know they are either ignorant or badly trying to misrepresent the truth.

The number of people per household has dropped over the last several decades-there are less people in each house. PER CAPITA is the real measure, and thats steadily rose.

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Im going to give you the benefit of the doubt and presume that you are just ignorant.
 
Kobie said:
I see from this thread that many more conservatives want to exile the non-their-side types than liberals. But liberals are the "authoritarians."

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
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Conservatives want to take care of themselves and their families, not you and yours, Kobie. Whats hard to understand?
 
US Conservative said:
Conservatives want to take care of themselves and their families, not you and yours, Kobie. Whats hard to understand?
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Funny, here I thought we were all Americans. I forgot, though, in Conservaland, liberals aren't Americans.
 
US Conservative said:
Whenever I see someone mention household income (invariably a liberal) I have to lolz because I know they are either ignorant or badly trying to misrepresent the truth.

The number of people per household has dropped over the last several decades-there are less people in each house. PER CAPITA is the real measure, and thats steadily rose.

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Im going to give you the benefit of the doubt and presume that you are just ignorant.
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Per capita income doesn't actually show the imbalance of wealth distribution, it just shows how much wealth is in our system, regardless of who possesses how much.

Between us, we each have half a worthwhile point per capita. That doesn't specify how yours isn't worthwhile.
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I like how neither are labeled. Well done.
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You missed the humor in that.
 
I say kick out Rhode Island just for the hell of it. What would that pipsqueak of a state do about it?

YOU MUST BE THIS TALL BE JOIN THE UNION.
 
Ockham said:
Cali would certainly be top on my list. I'd miss Kings Canyon and the Redwoods and probably Sonoma Valley but that's about it.
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... you would kick out a resource rich region with long term economic potentiality probably surpassing the nation of Japan and in an era where economic potentiality is the key to having a safe, prosperous, and free society . . . for totally arbitrary butthurt reasons? You are aware that a lot of the anger to spurred the Civil War resulted from California going Free State, because both the North and South wanted to incorporate it into their distinct economic superstructures?
 
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Unrepresented said:
Let's just cut to the chase and determine how quality of life is between the two.

Here's how the two rank in obesity:

fattest-states-2011-big.jpg


Here's accidental death:

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Here's gender pay rate equality:

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Here's how long your dog is expected to live:

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Here's how likely your teenage daughter will get knocked up:

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" Quality of life " ????

LOL !!!

California has the Highest poverty rate in the Country.

Hows the " Quality of life " for people that have been out of work for years ?

The " quality of life " for over 2 Million Californians was so fantastic they picked up every thing they owned and moved 1500 Miles to Texas.
 
Morality Games said:
... you would kick out a resource rich region with long term economic potentiality probably surpassing the nation of Japan and in an era where economic potentiality is the key to having a safe, prosperous, and free society . . . for totally arbitrary butthurt reasons? You are aware that a lot of the anger to spurred the Civil War resulted from California going Free State, because both the North and South wanted to incorporate it into their distinct economic superstructures?

At a certain point you people should stop trusting your own judgment when it comes to politics.
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I think it's time more people trusted their own judgement instead of eating the pablum proffered to us.
 
Fenton said:
" Quality of life " ????

LOL !!!

California has the Highest poverty rate in the Country.

Hows the " Quality of life " for people that have been out of work for years ?

The " quality of life " for over 2 Million Californians was so fantastic they picked up every thing they owned and moved 1500 Miles to Texas.
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I feel bad for them considering they'll be fatter, die of accidental death, have their daughters pendant as teenagers and underpaid throughout the rest of their lives, and have their dogs die sooner.

There should be warning labels on Texas.
 
Ockham said:
I think it's time more people trusted their own judgement instead of eating the pablum proffered to us.
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... nothing you believe or want to believe can change the economic reality that California is a pivotal mechanism in the global competition to raise and maintain the living standards demanded by America's culture and way of life. They've got the tech (up there with energy as the world's most important economic sector), they've got the ports and connections to Southeast Asia markets and political alliances, they've got the entertainment industry via which we propagate Pan-Americanism, etc.

There's a reason why the entire globe's economic investments in tech are in California and not, say, Ukraine or the Czech Republic. Because the talent and infrastructure is there.
 
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Kobie said:
Funny, here I thought we were all Americans. I forgot, though, in Conservaland, liberals aren't Americans.
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Liberals are voting to take from those who earn. Those who earn tend to not like that. These aren't difficult concepts. The tragic part is the left is not content taking from themselves-they need producers to leech off of.
 
Unrepresented said:
Per capita income doesn't actually show the imbalance of wealth distribution, it just shows how much wealth is in our system, regardless of who possesses how much.

Between us, we each have half a worthwhile point per capita. That doesn't specify how yours isn't worthwhile.

You missed the humor in that.
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For the first "point" of yours, of course it doesn't-because you chose the improper metric. It disproves your point, so you were unwise to make it with that data. From here on out you can thank me for the illumination.

And for the second, I was being sarcastic-the poster got it.
 
Morality Games said:
... nothing you believe or want to believe can change the economic reality that California is a pivotal mechanism in the global competition to raise and maintain the living standards demanded by America's culture and way of life. They've got the tech (up there with energy as the world's most important economic sector), they've got the ports and connections to Southeast Asia markets and political alliances, they've got the entertainment industry via which we propagate Pan-Americanism, etc.

There's a reason why the entire globe's economic investments in tech are in California and not, say, Ukraine or the Czech Republic. Because the talent and infrastructure is there.
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That "infrastructure" is leaving CA like its cool thanks to failed liberal policies-going to places like Canada and Texas.
 
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