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"Politcal Correctness" - False Victim hood or Real issue.

Is Political Correctness real?

  • Yes PC is real and is rampant. People are too sensitive.

    Votes: 38 67.9%

  • Yes and No - It depends. (Explain in your post)

    Votes: 11 19.6%

  • No PC is a made up escape goat. It is a catch phrase used to distract from a real issue.

    Votes: 7 12.5%
  • Total voters
    56
grip said:
Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. :violin
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Contrary to popular belief sometimes words hurt enough so to cause extreme reactions. I.e Columbine Massacre.
 
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AlbqOwl said:
Saul Alinsky's RULE12: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

Political correctness is the current preferred tool of choice to accomplish Rule 12. For what purpose you say? Also from Alinksy:

"The organizer dedicated to changing the life of a particular community must first rub raw the resentments of the people of the community; fan the latent hostilities of many of the people to the point of overt expression. He must search out controversy and issues, rather than avoid them, for unless there is controversy people are not concerned enough to act …When those prominent in the status quo turn and label you an 'agitator' they are completely correct, for that is, in one word, your function - to agitate to the point of conflict." — from Rules for Radicals, pp. 116-117​


Alinksy claimed not to be a strong ideologue tied to any particular sociopolitical system as he acknowledged the excesses of everything from Jewish purges of Biblical times to the Inquisition to Communist and Nazi genocides. But he absolutely believed in turning people against the successful and those in power with the goal of destroying the establishment, dismantling the system, and stripping the power and property from the 'haves' so that a new Marxist style society could be established in its wake.

IMO, political correctness, as understood and utilized inour current times, is an implementation of this particular philosophy. It is misguided, it is evil, it is hateful, and it is wrong.
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I most whole heartily agree. PC, especially the excessive PC, and the decisions that go along with it, that we are being subjected to on a daily basis are evil incarnate, for overt thought and mind control over the populace.
 
Manc Skipper said:
It was proudly declaimed by tea-bag-wearing teapartiers as their logo until someone pointed out their ignorant error in choosing an ironically repugnant name for themselves. It's nobody's fault but their own that it stuck!
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For most people, when we first saw the tea bags, we knew what they were using them for, and it didn't pop into most people's minds that they were looking for a partner for a very specific sex act.
 
rocket88 said:
Well with Indian, there's the question of if you mean from India or not. It's better to be clear.

But how does it hurt you anyway? Seriously, so what if you have to change the way you talk a little bit? You have no right not to be inconvenienced slightly.
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Why do you care about the way other people talk? How does it affect you?
 
I am basically impossible to offend. However, while PC taken to the extreme can be annoying, its also a scapegoat that some people use when they say really offensive things. Part of being a polite and considerate person in life is not saying things that you know will offend others.
 
Zinthaniel said:
Contrary to popular belief sometimes words hurts enough so to cause extreme reactions. I.e Columbine Massacre.
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They might hurt the unstable or irrational but for most of us who are intelligent, they don't mean a thing.
 
Zinthaniel said:
And you are doing it again.

I'm not denying that any of this is true. The black community is, indeed broken. But you love to sell only half of it. There is more to the issue than just "Blacks need to get their **** together". It's tad more complicated than that. The issues rampant in impoverished African american communities are few centuries deep and entrenched. You threw a whole lot of issues into one bag and left it at that. I'm sure you have never given any of them real thought or contemplation. You just see it as "intrinsic African Issues".

I can't speak for everyone. I don't expect that of you or anyone. I expect an honest discussion. One that is not sabotaged by glorified stereotypes.
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The simple fact of the matter is that it is basically impossible to have any kind of honest discussion on these issues, precisely because the "P.C." thought police won't allow it. For that reason, it is equally impossible to enact any kind of meaningful reform.

At least half of the establishment in this country, and a majority of academia, actually like things exactly as they are now. The class and racial conflicts they are responsible for instigating are some of the major things which keep them in positions of power and influence.

They just wish that they could find a way to get an even larger portion of the population hooked on what they're selling.

You ignored the homosexual one. Though I'm not surprised. That's honest observation of mine about your position on the topic. I do think you are Homophobic if after all the years you have been on this forum discussing that same issue and in face of all the sources I know you have been given to you have not budged an inch.
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If we were get started on homosexuality now, we'd be here all week. :lol:
 
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Zinthaniel said:
Contrary to popular belief sometimes words hurts enough so to cause extreme reactions. I.e Columbine Massacre.
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I don't think it was words that caused anything in Columbine. The firearms in the hands of unstable people, that was.
 
Zinthaniel said:
Contrary to popular belief sometimes words hurts enough so to cause extreme reactions. I.e Columbine Massacre.
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Two spoiled psychos caused the Columbine Massacre. Even bullying consist of more than mere words, its causes are from children with no discipline or empathy.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I am basically impossible to offend. However, while PC taken to the extreme can be annoying, its also a scapegoat that some people use when they say really offensive things. Part of being a polite and considerate person in life is not saying things that you know will offend others.
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There's quite a difference between not saying things that you know will offend others and being afraid to say anything at all for fear that someone, somewhere, just might possibly be offended. That's the difference between polite society and political correctness.
 
eohrnberger said:
I don't think it was words that caused anything in Columbine. The firearms in the hands of unstable people, that was.
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The columbine massacre was caused by bullying. The two killers where notably bullies prior. Not that I condone their actions in any way. But there was a cause and effect that led to it.
 
Zinthaniel said:
The columbine massacre was caused by bullying. The two killers where notably bullies prior. Not that I condone their actions in any way. But there was a cause and effect that led to it.
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No it wasn't, people are bullied every day and don't go shooting up their schools. It was caused by unstable people.
 
tres borrachos said:
For most people, when we first saw the tea bags, we knew what they were using them for, and it didn't pop into most people's minds that they were looking for a partner for a very specific sex act.
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Indeed. Most normal people wouldn't either. That lasted until some sicko lefty made it part of a point to diminish, harm, minimize, and marginalize valid and well expressed criticism of the federal government, not on the basis of their position, but through derision of the person. Ad Hom.
 
grip said:
Two spoiled psychos caused the Columbine Massacre. Even bullying consist of more than mere words, its causes are from children with no discipline or empathy.
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The killers cited verbal abuse as part of their reason for their rampage.
And that's just one example.
 
Zinthaniel said:
Contrary to popular belief sometimes words hurt enough so to cause extreme reactions. I.e Columbine Massacre.
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I'm sorry, were the columbine massacre killers part of a public conversation?

Their motivations was that they couldn't take anymore bullying. You are lying if you think that being PC stops bullying. PC is the most perverse form of bullying. It's the bullying into silence of all people who don't speak in the way that is approved by the PC police. If you dare to say something that the PC crowd don't find agreeable, they will say the most hateful and despicable things to you and call you all sort of things. And unlike child bullying which make, albeit hateful fun, of one another, PC bullying sticks. PC crowd bully with words that have social stigma attached to them.

So do dare say that PC encourages peaceful cooperation and discussion is dishonest as hell. It encourages the same gang mentality as bullying, only the words and methods are somewhat different.

Case and point. That fat guy who played in The Wolf of Wall Street said "Suck my dick faggot" and had to go a tour on morning talkshows to beg and plead and crawl. Apologize for insulting some asshole paparazzi. Why? because he was afraid the PC police would come after him, as they did on twitter, calling him a homophobe and whatever.

So the PC police are the worst bullies only they're the most perverse ones too because they think they're doing good and the right thing, unlike normal bullies who just aren't thinking or aren't mature enough to understand what they're doing.
 
Zinthaniel said:
The killers cited verbal abuse as part of their reason for their rampage.
And that's just one example.
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I don't care what their excuses are, they still committed the acts because they were unstable. Lots of people endure verbal abuse every day and don't snap and kill people.
 
Cephus said:
No it wasn't, people are bullied every day and don't go shooting up their schools. It was caused by unstable people.
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Yes I am aware, but these two unstable people went on their rampage because they were bullied. To say that being bullied had nothing to with it is to deny key points that led to their snapping point.
 
Cephus said:
I don't care what their excuses are, they still committed the acts because they were unstable. Lots of people endure verbal abuse every day and don't snap and kill people.
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Ok.

Some people will cry because a certain thing is said, while other's wont.

That doesn't mean that the person who did cry did not breakdown because of what was said simply because the other was unaffected.

People react differently to things.
 
Zinthaniel said:
Yes I am aware, but these two unstable people went on their rampage because they were bullied. To say that being bullied had nothing to with it is to deny key points that led to their snapping point.
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Which leads right back to my previous statement, the PC are terrified to say anything for fear that someone, somewhere, might be offended. You're not criticizing the shooters for shooting people, you're trying to make them into victims. They're not.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Saul Alinsky's RULE12: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

Political correctness is the current preferred tool of choice to accomplish Rule 12. For what purpose you say? Also from Alinksy:

"The organizer dedicated to changing the life of a particular community must first rub raw the resentments of the people of the community; fan the latent hostilities of many of the people to the point of overt expression. He must search out controversy and issues, rather than avoid them, for unless there is controversy people are not concerned enough to act …When those prominent in the status quo turn and label you an 'agitator' they are completely correct, for that is, in one word, your function - to agitate to the point of conflict." — from Rules for Radicals, pp. 116-117​


Alinksy claimed not to be a strong ideologue tied to any particular sociopolitical system as he acknowledged the excesses of everything from Jewish purges of Biblical times to the Inquisition to Communist and Nazi genocides. But he absolutely believed in turning people against the successful and those in power with the goal of destroying the establishment, dismantling the system, and stripping the power and property from the 'haves' so that a new Marxist style society could be established in its wake.

IMO, political correctness, as understood and utilized inour current times, is an implementation of this particular philosophy. It is misguided, it is evil, it is hateful, and it is wrong.
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It is appropriate to bite the hand that feeds you crap.
 
Zinthaniel said:
The killers cited verbal abuse as part of their reason for their rampage.
And that's just one example.
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And you take the word of two psycho killers as truth? Those two nutbags didn't know the difference between their ass and a hole in the ground. No wonder you're confused about the subject.
 
Zinthaniel said:
Ok.

Some people will cry because a certain thing is said, while other's wont.

That doesn't mean that the person who did cry did not breakdown because of what was said simply because the other was unaffected.

People react differently to things.
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And that's just too bad, isn't it? So now we should all refrain from exercising our free speech rights because there are crazy people out there who might take it the wrong way? Seriously? :roll:
 
Zinthaniel said:
Um. Ok. I have not at any point said anywhere in this thread that anyone has the right to rob people of their freedom of speech. So if you where trying to impress me with your defiance in the face of my post, than sorry I don't really care.

You can even call me a negro, hell call me a Nigger if you want. That's your right. However, I don't want to be called those things and I know there are some native americans who don't want to be called indians. You make of that what you will.
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I am concerned with the principle of freedom of speech, and not with anyone's personal feelings. The entire purpose of political correctness has always been to stifle the freedom of speech. I assume anyone who supports it has that same purpose, and that puts them on the wrong side of me. Obviously there are some kinds of speech that can be made illegal for all of us. But this is a free country, and within those limits, and the private limits imposed by sites like this one, no one is going to tell me what I can and can't say.
 
Rainman05 said:
I'm sorry, were the columbine massacre killers part of a public conversation?

Their motivations was that they couldn't take anymore bullying. You are lying if you think that being PC stops bullying. PC is the most perverse form of bullying. It's the bullying into silence of all people who don't speak in the way that is approved by the PC police. If you dare to say something that the PC crowd don't find agreeable, they will say the most hateful and despicable things to you and call you all sort of things. And unlike child bullying which make, albeit hateful fun, of one another, PC bullying sticks. PC crowd bully with words that have social stigma attached to them.

So do dare say that PC encourages peaceful cooperation and discussion is dishonest as hell. It encourages the same gang mentality as bullying, only the words and methods are somewhat different.

Case and point. That fat guy who played in The Wolf of Wall Street said "Suck my dick faggot" and had to go a tour on morning talkshows to beg and plead and crawl. Apologize for insulting some asshole paparazzi. Why? because he was afraid the PC police would come after him, as they did on twitter, calling him a homophobe and whatever.

So the PC police are the worst bullies only they're the most perverse ones too because they think they're doing good and the right thing, unlike normal bullies who just aren't thinking or aren't mature enough to understand what they're doing.
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You chimed into a tangent and you don't understand the context. I never said anything you are implying I did.

My initial post was that words can hurt and cause extreme reactions. This was in response to Grips flippant tongue in cheek response to me.

And for the, I think, fourth time now. I have not at any point advocated for censoring. So your entire post was pointless.
 
matchlight said:
I am concerned with the principle of freedom of speech, and not with anyone's personal feelings. The entire purpose of political correctness has always been to stifle the freedom of speech. I assume anyone who supports it has that same purpose, and that puts them on the wrong side of me. Obviously there are some kinds of speech that can be made illegal for all of us. But this is a free country, and within those limits, and the private limits imposed by sites like this one, no one is going to tell me what I can and can't say.
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I really don't care what side of you I'm on. I don't care what you personally choose to call people. Quite frankly you sound like someone I wouldn't around me anyways. Your freedom of speech is not being challenged in this thread. The op is about using PC as an excuse to ignore an honest discussion. Not about censoring.
 
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