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"Politcal Correctness" - False Victim hood or Real issue.

Is Political Correctness real?


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Both sides have their own PC. If you don't believe that try saying "tea-bagger."

To me, PC is just not being an asshole. It's about the golden rule of doing as you'd have done to you. Once the insults start flying, all bets are off as far as this place goes.

Isn't "teabagger" supposed to be an insult?
 
Well... tea-bagger is meant as an insult right? Then youre just being an asshole avoiding any discussion and just calling people tea baggers to win some kind of who can say more clever insults more war.

what a person means matters more than the actual word....


"Tea bagger" was first coined as a homosexual practice.

It was "borrowed" as an inside joke to insult and is now used for anyone who disagrees with the Obama administration.

I, a Canadian Liberal who supports universal health care has been called a teabagger several hundred times. That is why, when those same 'liberal' people also take offense I respond with "**** off, you hypocritical lying misfit, your mother never had any kids she wanted." or something extremely put personally offensive as opposed to the more objectionable insult of, say, a political party and it's leader.
 
Except that is not always the case. I'd say it's rarely the case and if the shoe fits then wear it. You watered it down to fit your narrative but -

i.e.

If you criticize any culture other than your own, you are branded as being a "racist."

If you are criticizing a culture of a race for issues that exist in all races including your own, but you refuse to acknowledge that. Then yeah you may be racist. If you want to say things like "Blacks are violent, I'm just calling a spade a spade." but then are full of excuses, special pleading, and qualifiers when someone points out Russian thugs kicking the homeless, kidnapping and beating homosexuals, and targeting non Russians in violent hate crimes, then there is something amiss in your perception of the world around you.

If you criticize a life style you find questionable, you are branded as being a "sexist" or "homophobe."

I've addressed you on this and you gave a flippant response a long time ago. You have been given source by multiple people that explains homosexuality. Sources from legitimate experts on the topic. But you only care for your own sources that perpetuate your confirmed bias. You refuse to see anything beyond that as legitimate. And the only thing I have ever seen you give any ounce of credibility to are sources that allow to continue to see homosexuals as "weird" and "questionable". It does seem homophobic, because - to me at least, it's an irrational conclusion you keep coming to in face of all the contradictory evidence.

If you criticize behaviors which perpetuate poverty, you are told that you need to "check your privilege."

Well if you strip away all the causing factors for such behaviors that are rampant in impoverished areas, then yeah. Your argument is overly simplified and seems to be stemming from a place of privilege.
 
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Negro.....African American

Indian....Native American....American Indian

I'm black and I don't want to be called a Negro. The word is ugly and has a negative connotation.

Native Americans are not Indian, they were mistaken for such.
 
PC is fine when it's kept on a leash, but it's gotten out of hand at times these days.

4. Forcing kids to eat Michelle Obama-approved lunches.

This isn't really an example of PC.

I agree with the other points of yours, but had to single this out.

I'm black and I don't want to be called a Negro. The word is ugly and has a negative connotation.

Exactly. For someone to have an issue with this brings their character into question.

Subtle racists think they're slick.

Isn't "teabagger" supposed to be an insult?

I just get flashes of Halo Multiplayer when I hear the word, personally.
 
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I would need to see an example of the term being used to identify what you believe is phony and substantial positioning on an issue. I've only ever seen it used when social issues are brought up that have offended a group of people and is used to describe that group of people.

For instance -
Amazon Warns About 'Racial Prejudices' In 'Tom And Jerry'

Amazon recently added tom and jerry with it's originally aired episodes. This means that it includes the representations of attitudes that existed 70 years ago. As a result they added a disclaimer identifying that Tom and Jerry have ethically dubious episodes that deal with racial perception.

People, as you can see in the comments, are calling this pc. Which i find ridiculous. The imagery of black face and other stereotypical punch lines that are made at the expense of a people in the show can be a bit a jarring to those that it hits closest to home to.

That why I pointed out that it's usually the privileged class that cries PC. Notice the racial make up of group who is crying pc and the group who is seeing it for what it is.

This is something I've noticed for many discussions in which the phrase PC is thrown around. Typically those who endorse or are otherwise unaffected by the issue take the stance of indifference, while those who are effected take it seriously.


I think your example is more than sufficient. That along with the Washington Redskins kind of 'namby pamby' crying makes me sad, compared to serious offenses.
 
I think your example is more than sufficient. That along with the Washington Redskins kind of 'namby pamby' crying makes me sad, compared to serious offenses.

People not wanting their race to be used as a mascot and people addressing racial prejudices in a cartoon makes you sad?
 
Except that is not always the case. I'd say it's rarely the case and if the shoe fits then wear it. You watered it down to fit your narrative bu t-

If you are criticizing a culture of a race for issues that exist in all races including your own, but you refuse to acknowledge that. Then yeah you may be racist. If you want ot say things like "Black are violent, I'm just calling a spade a spade." but then are full of excuses, special pleading, and qualifiers when someone points out Russian thugs kicking the homeless, kidnapping and beating homosexuals, and targeting non Russians in violent hate crimes, then there is something amiss in your perception of the world around you.

I've addressed you on this and you gave a flippant response a long time ago. You have been given source by multiple people that explains homosexuality. Sources from legitimate experts on the topic. But you only care for your own sources that perpetuate your confirmed bias. You refuse to see anything beyond that as legitimate. And the only thing I have ever seen you give any ounce of credibility to are sources that allow to continue to see homosexuals as "weird" and "questionable". It does seem homophobic, because - to me at least, it's an irrational conclusion you keep coming to in face of all the contradictory evidence.



Well if you strip away all the causing factors for such behaviors that are rampant in impoverished areas, then yeah. Your argument is overly simplified and seems to be stemming from a place of privilege.

And when someone points out simple facts, like how the prevailing "black culture's" aversion to marriage, fidelity, employment, and legal authority results in the highest poverty, unemployment, unwed single mother, STD, abortion, murder, death, violent crime, and incarceration rates of any demographic group in the entire country?

How about that?

Oh, wait. I forgot. No one's allowed to talk about that, because it's
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racist.
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All we're expected to do is keep our mouths shut, feel guilty about slavery, and endlessly throw money at the issue through ever-expanding entitlement programs that accomplish exactly jack sh*t to address the actual root causes of the problem (while providing Leftists with a fanatical block of dependent low information supporters willing to vote for them come Hell or high-water, of course :roll: ).

Don't forget about the coup de gras of the whole thing either.

"If you dislike the policies of the Obama Administration, it's just because you're racist!" :lamo

Again, these are rhetorical devices more than anything else. They are not meant to encourage rational discourse, but end it before it can even really get started.
 
People not wanting their race to be used as a mascot and people addressing racial prejudices in a cartoon makes you sad?


Are you going to cry?

Let me be PC for you... there, there I didn't mean to be a big old nasty.
We'll censor ALL the cartoons that make any *hint* of perceived bias, because children will become racists.
 
"Tea bagger" was first coined as a homosexual practice.

It was "borrowed" as an inside joke to insult and is now used for anyone who disagrees with the Obama administration.

I, a Canadian Liberal who supports universal health care has been called a teabagger several hundred times. That is why, when those same 'liberal' people also take offense I respond with "**** off, you hypocritical lying misfit, your mother never had any kids she wanted." or something extremely put personally offensive as opposed to the more objectionable insult of, say, a political party and it's leader.

It was proudly declaimed by tea-bag-wearing teapartiers as their logo until someone pointed out their ignorant error in choosing an ironically repugnant name for themselves. It's nobody's fault but their own that it stuck!
 
And you are doing it again.

And when someone points out simple facts, like how the prevailing "black culture's" aversion to marriage, fidelity, employment, and legal authority results in the highest poverty, unemployment, unwed single mother, STD, abortion, murder, death, violent crime, and incarceration rates of any demographic group in the entire country?

I'm not denying that any of this is true. The black community is, indeed broken. But you love to sell only half of it. There is more to the issue than just "Blacks need to get their **** together". It's tad more complicated than that. The issues rampant in impoverished African american communities are few centuries deep and entrenched. You threw a whole lot of issues into one bag and left it at that. I'm sure you have never given any of them real thought or contemplation. You just see it as "intrinsic African Issues".



Oh, wait. I forgot. No one's allowed to talk about that, because it's
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racist.
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All we're expected to do is keep our mouths shut, feel guilty about slavery, and endlessly throw money at the issue through ever-expanding entitlement programs that accomplish exactly jack sh*t to address the actual root causes of the problem (while providing Leftists with a fanatical block of dependent low information supporters willing to vote for them come Hell or high-water, of course :roll: ).

I can't speak for everyone. I don't expect that of you or anyone. I expect an honest discussion. One that is not sabotaged by glorified stereotypes.

You ignored the homosexual one. Though I'm not surprised. That's honest observation of mine about your position on the topic. I do think you are Homophobic if after all the years you have been on this forum discussing that same issue and in face of all the sources I know you have been given to you have not budged an inch.
 
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There's also no requirement to watch a Redskins game. Thankfully...

But why would you want to offend people? That seems antithetical to the whole idea of Christianity, IIRC.

Because I enjoy my football games and teams and don't give a rats ass about what you think of it. Call me selfish that way. Besides I like the fact the name pisses people off. It means there are still moppets out there I can manipulate to my very profitable ends because they are to stupid to think for themselves. That and its fun pissing people off.
 
I'm black and I don't want to be called a Negro. The word is ugly and has a negative connotation.

Native Americans are not Indian, they were mistaken for such.

And I resent it when people call my friends "Indians" when their ancestry here goes back untold generations.

Nor do I like being called "whitie, white boy, or 'gui lo', Cantonese for "white ghost" the most severe insult in the Chinese culture. But I do not believe I or anyone else has the right to force people how to speak. I would rather know the prick in front of me is a racist so I can forever ignore him
 
Are you going to cry?
Even if i did cry i'm sure you wouldn't care. Bless your cold beating heart.

Let me be PC for you... there, there I didn't mean to be a big old nasty.
We'll censor ALL the cartoons that make any *hint* of perceived bias, because children will become racists.

Nothing was censored. It was a disclaimer. You're upset because they had the audacity to point out racism where it exists. Good for you.
 
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It was proudly declaimed by tea-bag-wearing teapartiers as their logo until someone pointed out their ignorant error in choosing an ironically repugnant name for themselves. It's nobody's fault but their own that it stuck!

Tea Party is repugnant?

I suggest you need to look at some biases here.
 
Political Correctness is deadly serious.

Political Correctness is Marxism

>" Where does all this stuff that you’ve heard about this morning – the victim feminism, the gay rights movement, the invented statistics, the rewritten history, the lies, the demands, all the rest of it – where does it come from? For the first time in our history, Americans have to be fearful of what they say, of what they write, and of what they think. They have to be afraid of using the wrong word, a word denounced as offensive or insensitive, or racist, sexist, or homophobic.

We have seen other countries, particularly in this century, where this has been the case. And we have always regarded them with a mixture of pity, and to be truthful, some amusement, because it has struck us as so strange that people would allow a situation to develop where they would be afraid of what words they used. But we now have this situation in this country. We have it primarily on college campuses, but it is spreading throughout the whole society. Were does it come from? What is it?

We call it “Political Correctness.” The name originated as something of a joke, literally in a comic strip, and we tend still to think of it as only half-serious. In fact, it’s deadly serious. It is the great disease of our century, the disease that has left tens of millions of people dead in Europe, in Russia, in China, indeed around the world. It is the disease of ideology. PC is not funny. PC is deadly serious.

If we look at it analytically, if we look at it historically, we quickly find out exactly what it is. Political Correctness is cultural Marxism. It is Marxism translated from economic into cultural terms. It is an effort that goes back not to the 1960s and the hippies and the peace movement, but back to World War I. If we compare the basic tenets of Political Correctness with classical Marxism the parallels are very obvious...."<

continue -> The Origins of Political Correctness
 
I'm black and I don't want to be called a Negro. The word is ugly and has a negative connotation.

Native Americans are not Indian, they were mistaken for such.

They're Indians if I choose to call them that. And when I lived in Arizona, that was their preferred term. Driving through any Indian reservation, you would see signs for "Indian school," "Indian police," etc., and there is a specialized legal field called "Indian law." I heard more than one of them take offense at being called a "Native American" instead of an Indian. They would also sometimes refer to themselves specifically as "Navajo," "Apache," "Pima," and so on.
 
Negro.....African American

Indian....Native American....American Indian

Well with Indian, there's the question of if you mean from India or not. It's better to be clear.

But how does it hurt you anyway? Seriously, so what if you have to change the way you talk a little bit? You have no right not to be inconvenienced slightly.
 
The problem with PC is that it's making the conversation stupid.


It opens the floodgates to discussions not on fact, not on substance, but on how people said something or how people perceive someone said something.
-I'm offended

has become the new doctrine by which all must abide. Now, people who scream "I'm offended" are put on pedestal in the media. "Oh, that person is offended, he must have some important stuff to say and he must be important". This is 100% other than how it should be. Screaming "I'm offended" should just be a stern indicator to the rest of the world that you are incompetent and incapable of handling your emotions and not in full control of yourself. So now you task everyone else to guard themselves as to not offend you because you cannot control yourself. And this is how things are done. I mean, how crazy is this.

Now I'm not saying never be offended. But don't air the dirty laundry in public like you're some sort of charity case.

It's also an automatic stop sign on any conversation. The moment you declare that you're offended, the conversation will move from a debate on the issues to a discussion on how what you said offended you. And the person who said that he's offended is on the moral highground.

So those are some problems with PC. Well, one of them. But gathomas made a few good statements about how when you criticize somethign that can be interpreted as "other" it's because you're some form of closed-mindedness. it could never be because you informed yourself and made a statement that is factually correct but because it's "offensive" therefore it cannot be. Even if its true, it cannot be declared as such because it causes offense. It's stupid.
 
They're Indians if I choose to call them that. And when I lived in Arizona, that was their preferred term. Driving through any Indian reservation, you would see signs for "Indian school," "Indian police," etc., and there is a specialized legal field called "Indian law." I heard more than one of them take offense at being called a "Native American" instead of an Indian. They would also sometimes refer to themselves specifically as "Navajo," "Apache," "Pima," and so on.

Um. Ok. I have not at any point said anywhere in this thread that anyone has the right to rob people of their freedom of speech. So if you where trying to impress me with your defiance in the face of my post, than sorry I don't really care.

You can even call me a negro, hell call me a Nigger if you want. That's your right. However, I don't want to be called those things and I know there are some native americans who don't want to be called indians. You make of that what you will.
 
Well... tea-bagger is meant as an insult right? Then youre just being an asshole avoiding any discussion and just calling people tea baggers to win some kind of who can say more clever insults more war.

what a person means matters more than the actual word....

If you don't have to avoid offending people, why should I?
 
I have to say it bothers me some.

Would you prefer "piss off." or "Go **** yourself."? The way I see it, I am being wished well, why would I care how that's done? Are you gona be bothered if they say happy kwana-hanna-rama-christma-kah-danz-mas? (Now that's PC:mrgreen:)) I say merry Christmas, or happy holidays or have great day as the mood strikes me, cause I want to be nice.
 
Even if i did cry i'm sure you wouldn't care. Bless your cold beating heart.



Nothing was censored. It was a disclaimer. You're upset because they had the audacity to point out racism where it exists. Good for you.



Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. :violin
 
If you don't have to avoid offending people, why should I?
I'm a nice guy... rarely intentionally mean. Nothing I do should be taken in offense... I don't intentionally insult people hardly ever.

I don't ever get offended... as long as the person is respectful of what I have to say... and isn't intentionally trying to be mean/sarcastic/rude. Tea-bagger in almost every case I've heard it's meant to be a mean and dismissive term....Like whats the point in changing the name of a person who follows the tea party in the first place? to make fun of them like a child? It's an insult.... that's different.... anyone can toss out insult...

You... you... Dirty Rosepetal!!!.... that's an insult that's just pointless...
 
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