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"Politcal Correctness" - False Victim hood or Real issue.

Is Political Correctness real?

  • Yes PC is real and is rampant. People are too sensitive.

    Votes: 38 67.9%

  • Yes and No - It depends. (Explain in your post)

    Votes: 11 19.6%

  • No PC is a made up escape goat. It is a catch phrase used to distract from a real issue.

    Votes: 7 12.5%
  • Total voters
    56
Logicman said:
Say whatever you want but don't force others to comply with that.
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How is anybody being forced to do that. Is there a law that I'm unaware of, or is it businesses working off of free market ideology?
 
Logicman said:
Say whatever you want but don't force others to comply with that.
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On the other hand, you are trying to force people to say Merry Christmas, right? You don't like Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas, so in the same vein you are trying to do the same thing.
 
rocket88 said:
Both sides have their own PC. If you don't believe that try saying "tea-bagger."

To me, PC is just not being an asshole. It's about the golden rule of doing as you'd have done to you. Once the insults start flying, all bets are off as far as this place goes.
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Actually, PC is about assholes not wanting someone to hurt their feelings when what was said needed to be said. If someone does something stupid, they should be told it was stupid. While that may not be PC, sometimes the truth hurts and if it does, the best way to change it is to change the truth.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Patriotism is a disease...
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Are you serious with that? If you are here's my response to that:

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Zinthaniel said:
No where in my OP did I imply that someone has to right to impose their will onto another. However a honest discussion that is curtailed by fallacious cop out terms is ridiculous and impedes any form of intellectual discussion.
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I never said you did imply it or say it. What I posted was a general statement and a specific example that you asked for.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
There is no right not to be offended. Once we establish such a right then I will be offended, thus it must be repealed. ;)
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There's also no requirement to watch a Redskins game. Thankfully...

But why would you want to offend people? That seems antithetical to the whole idea of Christianity, IIRC.
 
rocket88 said:
BTW, is this an "escape goat?" I'm unfamiliar with that phrase

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I don't think so. I'm thinking those who use PC to demand recognition are probably standing behind the goat, doing something unspeakable.
 
Conservative65 said:
Actually, PC is about assholes not wanting someone to hurt their feelings when what was said needed to be said. If someone does something stupid, they should be told it was stupid. While that may not be PC, sometimes the truth hurts and if it does, the best way to change it is to change the truth.
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Yep, like the assholes who get butt-hurt when you say "tea bagger."
 
americanwoman said:
On the other hand, you are trying to force people to say Merry Christmas, right? You don't like Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas, so in the same vein you are trying to do the same thing.
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Nope. I'm for giving them the RIGHT to say Merry Christmas. After all, Christmas is federally-approved holiday.

Anybody who is against that can go climb back under their rock.
 
Logicman said:
1. Trying to stop retailers from saying "Merry Christmas."

2. In various areas changing "Christmas" to "Winter Holiday."

3. Pushing the lie that gay sex and gay marriages are perfectly proper and legitimate.

4. Forcing kids to eat Michelle Obama-approved lunches.

5. Kicking God and Jesus out of everywhere they can.

6. Saying it's improper to use the term "illegal aliens."

7. Forcing Christian pastors in the military to perform gay marriages, etc., contrary to their religious beliefs.

8. Obama & company downplaying terrorism - i.e. labeling the Ft. Hood shootings as "workplace violence". Turkeys.

9. Banning students from wearing 'American Flag' shirts, etc.

10. Giving all kids on a team trophies because they don't want there to be a 'first place' trophy in case the others might 'feel bad.'

There's a hundred or thousand more but those are some that came to mind.
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Ah....who has 'forced' retailers not to use the word "Christmas"?


As a Christian, I am deeply offended by the hijacking of our holiday for pure greed.

The "Christmas" celebrated from Black Friday through to December 26th, has not one thing to do with any relationship with Jesus or what He stood for. I will be happy when they stop.

If it's about making the financial nut for the year, the latest fad in underwear or extended hedonism, the sooner they do stop using it the better...then we can have the real holiday back.
 
Fearandloathing said:
What a fine example we have here of correctness thinking...

You criticize something and it is immediately assumed you "hate" America......
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That was a joke. Thankfully, AW has a sense of humor.
 
rocket88 said:
There's also no requirement to watch a Redskins game. Thankfully...

But why would you want to offend people? That seems antithetical to the whole idea of Christianity, IIRC.
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The very nature of a sports fan (fanatic?) is to be critical of (offensive to?) the opposing team and heap praise upon their favored team cheering even their most minor accomplishments and forgiving their shortcomings. Your confusion of sports fans and Christians is excused - go lions. ;)
 
americanwoman said:
Does it bother you if I say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas?
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I'm speaking for myself, not Logicman, but I don't care what you say, including nothing at all if you so desire. It bothers me if it is left for you to decide what I am allowed to say, or not to say.
 
Political correctness is by and large a term to describe common courtesy. Those who complain about it regularly often misuse the term to their liking and fail to recognize that they benefit from such speech on a regular basis. In my experience, these individuals primary complaints center around the fact that it's becoming more and more difficult to be an asshole towards minorities and special interest groups in general :shrug:
 
rocket88 said:
Yep, like the assholes who get butt-hurt when you say "tea bagger."
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Well... tea-bagger is meant as an insult right? Then youre just being an asshole avoiding any discussion and just calling people tea baggers to win some kind of who can say more clever insults more war.

what a person means matters more than the actual word....
 
rocket88 said:
Most of the whining about it comes from Conservatives who are just upset that they're not the biggest victims. Or racists who want to say "ni**er" without consequences.

Which are you?
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My U.S. Senator, actually the one I claim, said it best. You can either be a victim or be victorious but you can't be both. As a Conservative, I consider myself victorious. As for the Liberals, the more than can make people see themselves as victims, the more than can pander to for votes.

As far as your last sentence, if someone calls themself by that term and I agree, that's not racist. Also, if someone of a particular color call themself that, they shoudn't be shocked or get made if someone else uses it. If I refer to myself as an idiot because I did something stupid, getting made when someone else does is childish.
 
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rocket88 said:
Most of the whining about it comes from Conservatives who are just upset that they're not the biggest victims. Or racists who want to say "ni**er" without consequences.

Which are you?
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This whiny conservative has learned never to say "ni**er" without consequences. What I haven't learned is why a white cop can't do his job in the middle of a predominantly black neighborhood by telling a couple of thuggies to stop walking down the middle of a busy street without being attacked by one of the two who refuse to do so and the resulting riots and looting by the "thousands" who SAID they witnessed the "hands up- don't shoot" bull****. Or why they even come out of the woodwork to "protest" the death of this punk who was caught on video just minutes before strong arming the small Asian proprietor of a neighborhood market while STEALING
his merchandise.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Cripple--->Disabled--->differently abled

Stewardess--->flight attendant

Secretary--->administrative assistant
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The first one is a result of society using the first two terms as insults. Changing their meaning. Part of how language is ever evolving.

The last two make no since, since I have seen stewards and stewardess go by that name.

And secretaries called secretaries. Without any issue.

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Gathomas88 said:
The problem with "PC" is that Left Wing intellectual authoritarians use it as a method to try and silence opinions they disagree with, and forcibly reshape culture to their own ends.

Ironically, their primary means of doing so revolve around the very type of over-generalized "branding" and "labeling" that P.C. is supposed to prevent in the first place.

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If you criticize any culture other than your own, you are branded as being a "racist."

If you criticize a life style you find questionable, you are branded as being a "sexist" or "homophobe."

If you criticize weak domestic policy, you are branded as being a "fascist."

If you criticize weak foreign policy, you are branded as being a "chauvinist" or "jingoist."

If you criticize behaviors which perpetuate poverty, you are told that you need to "check your privilege."

Etca, etca...

It's basically just an underhanded way for certain kinds of people to hijack and destroy any discussion they don't like using pre-rendered logical fallacies that completely ignore the legitimate points that their opponents may have been trying to make.
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That's what makes these p.c. terms so useful to leftist dim bulbs--they eliminate the need to make reasoned arguments that are far beyond their abilities. If they can say their piece briefly enough, opponents who know the facts and can reason clearly won't have time to expose them as dopes who can't answer their points. This way, all they have to do is spit out a "homophobe!" or a "racist!" here and there, and walk away, glowing with righteous indignation. Each term is like a little, pre-packaged "argument" even the dullest member of the America-loathing lumpenproletariat can make.
 
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Zinthaniel said:
The first one is a result of society using the first two terms as insults. Changing their meaning. Part of how language is ever evolving.

The last two make no since, since I have seen stewards and stewardess go by that name.

And secretaries called secretaries. Without any issue.

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Negro.....African American

Indian....Native American....American Indian
 
rocket88 said:
Yep, like the assholes who get butt-hurt when you say "tea bagger."
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You can call me one all day long. While I might not agree or like it, unlike Liberals who want to ban what they don't like, I won't try to stop you from using it.
That's the difference between you and me.
 
Saul Alinsky's RULE12: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

Political correctness is the current preferred tool of choice to accomplish Rule 12. For what purpose you say? Also from Alinksy:

"The organizer dedicated to changing the life of a particular community must first rub raw the resentments of the people of the community; fan the latent hostilities of many of the people to the point of overt expression. He must search out controversy and issues, rather than avoid them, for unless there is controversy people are not concerned enough to act …When those prominent in the status quo turn and label you an 'agitator' they are completely correct, for that is, in one word, your function - to agitate to the point of conflict." — from Rules for Radicals, pp. 116-117​


Alinksy claimed not to be a strong ideologue tied to any particular sociopolitical system as he acknowledged the excesses of everything from Jewish purges of Biblical times to the Inquisition to Communist and Nazi genocides. But he absolutely believed in turning people against the successful and those in power with the goal of destroying the establishment, dismantling the system, and stripping the power and property from the 'haves' so that a new Marxist style society could be established in its wake.

IMO, political correctness, as understood and utilized inour current times, is an implementation of this particular philosophy. It is misguided, it is evil, it is hateful, and it is wrong.
 
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