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Should Secret Service Director Julia Pierson Be Fired?

Should she fired?


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I thought the secret service were supposed to have the strength of the hulk and fighting skills of Jackie Chan(okay exaggeration) but it's surprising that he took one of them down.
 
It's always a tricky thing.

I think whenever big things like this happen, it's always natural to want to blame the leader, but it could have been one guy slow on the mark in the control room, or confusion among 3 or 4 front line personnel on exactly where he went.

And yes sometimes under poor leadership, procedures get lax, things get overlooked.

I mean I don't think in the immediate past anyone has ever done what that guy did to actually get into the building.

Ultimately these kinds of firings end up being symbolic and solve very little unless you can clearly show how she was culpable in terms of leadership management.

I think we need to know more.

I agree. Unless she tried to cover it up, or lie -I don't see how she could personally be held responsible for their actions if she wasn't there.
 
I agree. Unless she tried to cover it up, or lie -I don't see how she could personally be held responsible for their actions if she wasn't there.

Well doesn't matter at this point, she resigned so I guess that's the end of that.

Still though, a massive breach of security that I hope gets fixed up.
 
Well, it's irrelevant at this point, because she's gone, but this was a big problem IMO. The POTUS has to be protected to the highest degree possible. They didn't do their job. Her losing her job is no different than if this happened in the private sector. A CEO has ownership.
 
Best excuse ever. CNN round table discussion this afternoon determined that the lapse in security by the Secret Service is...that's right...Bush's fault. It all started when they allowed Bush to land a jet on an aircraft carrier. Been leading up to this ever since.


Did they mention the fact her predecessor also resigned amid a sex scandal?

That was also caused by landing a plane on an Aircraft Carrier.



But you know, it's actually Nixon's fault...he's the one who deliberately slipped his SS detail to go talk with demonstrators at the Washington Monument.

See? anywhere you look, Obama has someone to blaim
 
I thought the secret service were supposed to have the strength of the hulk and fighting skills of Jackie Chan(okay exaggeration)
They should have fitness requirements and hand-to-hand fighting skills. Maybe if they had had them they would have been able to catch the guy as he raced across the lawn; instead they pretty well got left in the dust.


but it's surprising that he took one of them down.
Another member said in another thread that that agent was female, in which case it is not surprising at all.

BTW if the agent was female the media has done a great job not reporting it, probably because this case already potentially stinks of affirmative action and gender preferences gone awry, and the media wants more women and more minorities to be promoted regardless of qualification. (I concede, however, that 29-year secret service veteran Pierson might have been the best qualified candidate, at least on paper).
 
I agree. Unless she tried to cover it up, or lie -I don't see how she could personally be held responsible for their actions if she wasn't there.
She could be held personally responsible for not having agents placed strategically around the lawn so as to prevent an intruder from running untouched from the fence through the front door. Having more than one agent at each door is pretty obviously a good idea too. There was clearly a great big gaping hole in the physical placement of agents.
 
Well, it's irrelevant at this point, because she's gone, but this was a big problem IMO. The POTUS has to be protected to the highest degree possible. They didn't do their job. Her losing her job is no different than if this happened in the private sector. A CEO has ownership.
in her testimony she acknowledged responsibility
unfortunately, that was about the only fact she seemed to know
yet another instance confirming Obama is a terrible judge of talent
 
in her testimony she acknowledged responsibility
unfortunately, that was about the only fact she seemed to know
yet another instance confirming Obama is a terrible judge of talent

I was getting squeamish watching her testify; she was clueless. I was waiting for "Derp" to roll trippingly off her tongue. She's probably glad to be gone anyway.
 
I think most of us are shocked that an intruded got into the president's residence. It should never happen, just one mistake like this could be devastating.

Yes
No.
Other.

Yes of course, but not just because of this one incident.
 
They should have fitness requirements and hand-to-hand fighting skills. Maybe if they had had them they would have been able to catch the guy as he raced across the lawn; instead they pretty well got left in the dust.



Another member said in another thread that that agent was female, in which case it is not surprising at all.

BTW if the agent was female the media has done a great job not reporting it, probably because this case already potentially stinks of affirmative action and gender preferences gone awry, and the media wants more women and more minorities to be promoted regardless of qualification. (I concede, however, that 29-year secret service veteran Pierson might have been the best qualified candidate, at least on paper).

As an agent of 29 years, do you think she could pass the agencies physical fitness standards?

If not then how would she be best qualified on paper?
 
They should have fitness requirements and hand-to-hand fighting skills. Maybe if they had had them they would have been able to catch the guy as he raced across the lawn; instead they pretty well got left in the dust.



Another member said in another thread that that agent was female, in which case it is not surprising at all.

BTW if the agent was female the media has done a great job not reporting it, probably because this case already potentially stinks of affirmative action and gender preferences gone awry, and the media wants more women and more minorities to be promoted regardless of qualification. (I concede, however, that 29-year secret service veteran Pierson might have been the best qualified candidate, at least on paper).

The ss has a physical fitness requirement. However if you simply look at the director, you see it was not enforced.
 
(post #37):
As an agent of 29 years, do you think she could pass the agencies physical fitness standards?

If not then how would she be best qualified on paper?


(post #38)
The ss has a physical fitness requirement. However if you simply look at the director, you see it was not enforced.

Fitness requirements may reasonably be reduced or even eliminated for agents who will never be assigned to bodyguard duty.
 
Not by regulation. They just do not get enforced. Essentially, pencil whipped
 
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