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How Do We End The War on Terror?

What Should We Do To End The Terror War?

  • The West is doing the right thing.

    Votes: 4 7.5%

  • We need more WAAAUGH! We need to bomb more! Boots on the ground!

    Votes: 6 11.3%

  • The West needs to change their foreign policy. Stop meddling in other countries.

    Votes: 30 56.6%

  • Other

    Votes: 13 24.5%
  • Total voters
    53
Cephus said:
If we don't want more airplanes flown into buildings or someone parking a suitcase nuke next to the White House, yes. Christians were bad enough with swords and spears, radical Muslim extremists can and will have access to modern weaponry and the will to use it.
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Ok, so if I understand you right so far, you acknowledge that years of bad US policy in the Middle East has given rise to terrorist groups generally and the Islamic State specifically, but you want the US to be the one to answer the call to defeat them?
 
Montecresto said:
Ok, so if I understand you right so far, you acknowledge that years of bad US policy in the Middle East has given rise to terrorist groups generally and the Islamic State specifically, but you want the US to be the one to answer the call to defeat them?
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No, I want someone to and acknowledge that no other country on the planet is going to but us. Someone has to do something and they're not going to stop coming after us, just because we step aside.
 
Cephus said:
No, I want someone to and acknowledge that no other country on the planet is going to but us. Someone has to do something and they're not going to stop coming after us, just because we step aside.
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Ok, you've got me confused. Containment (by Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad) worked well to suppress militant Islamic groups from gaining such ground and power. Largely due to US policy in the ME, these forces are gone. In fact, for decades, US policy has been support of militant Islamic groups for one excuse or another. At the same time, the leader of Al Qaeda and more recently as articulated in the Islamic State messages to us, it's not a mystery as to why they have issues with the US. Yet apparently you think that confronting them is what will make them "stop coming after us" (although they, IS anyway, haven't come after us) but George Bush confronted AQ, and rather then diminish them, they followed the US from A-Stan to Iraq and menaced us there for eight years. And, with all their branches and affiliates, they are arguably as strong, if not stronger after all our blood and treasure. The US is impotent to destroy the Islamic State, Obama's tough talk rhetoric aside. We need to get the hell out, and insist the Saudis and the Turks deal with this. And when the dust settles in Iraq, Syria, Libya and Egypt, whatever authoritarian regimes end up in power, they will once again contain the extremists, and hopefully, gullible Americans won't again follow Washington in the charge of regime change!
 
Montecresto said:
Ok, you've got me confused. Containment (by Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad) worked well to suppress militant Islamic groups from gaining such ground and power. Largely due to US policy in the ME, these forces are gone. In fact, for decades, US policy has been support of militant Islamic groups for one excuse or another. At the same time, the leader of Al Qaeda and more recently as articulated in the Islamic State messages to us, it's not a mystery as to why they have issues with the US. Yet apparently you think that confronting them is what will make them "stop coming after us" (although they, IS anyway, haven't come after us) but George Bush confronted AQ, and rather then diminish them, they followed the US from A-Stan to Iraq and menaced us there for eight years. And, with all their branches and affiliates, they are arguably as strong, if not stronger after all our blood and treasure. The US is impotent to destroy the Islamic State, Obama's tough talk rhetoric aside. We need to get the hell out, and insist the Saudis and the Turks deal with this. And when the dust settles in Iraq, Syria, Libya and Egypt, whatever authoritarian regimes end up in power, they will once again contain the extremists, and hopefully, gullible Americans won't again follow Washington in the charge of regime change!
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But what we're seeing today didn't exist at that time. This isn't extremist terrorism like we saw with AQ, it's a different critter altogether. There's no way we can "insist" that anyone do anything, in fact, that's half the problem is that we've tried to tell the ME what to do and they resent us for it, now you want to tell the Saudis and Turkey to do our bidding? Haven't we learned our lesson? It just doesn't work. ISIL isn't something that can be contained, it's something that has to be wiped out. And besides, it isn't like Washington tells the American people what it's doing, we're always funding terrorists and rebels to take out regimes we don't like and it only comes out when someone gets caught.
 
Cephus said:
But what we're seeing today didn't exist at that time. This isn't extremist terrorism like we saw with AQ, it's a different critter altogether. There's no way we can "insist" that anyone do anything, in fact, that's half the problem is that we've tried to tell the ME what to do and they resent us for it, now you want to tell the Saudis and Turkey to do our bidding? Haven't we learned our lesson? It just doesn't work. ISIL isn't something that can be contained, it's something that has to be wiped out. And besides, it isn't like Washington tells the American people what it's doing, we're always funding terrorists and rebels to take out regimes we don't like and it only comes out when someone gets caught.
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Oh no you don't man, this is not our bidding. This is on their borders, and is as such a threat to them and their problem. Oh, and Al Qaeda wasn't wiped out and this won't be either if it's the US tasked with the job. NO, not America, not again.
 
Montecresto said:
Oh no you don't man, this is not our bidding. This is on their borders, and is as such a threat to them and their problem. Oh, and Al Qaeda wasn't wiped out and this won't be either if it's the US tasked with the job. NO, not America, not again.
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We don't have the balls to do the job that needs to be done. The other countries don't have the balls to even make an attempt. Look at Turkey, they say they won't seriously do anything until ISIL wipes out the Kurds, which we won't allow to happen, then they'll only go after ISIL on their land, they don't care what happens outside of their borders. The whole ME is a mess and it's not going to get cleaned up if we just rely on the ME to police themselves.
 
Cephus said:
We don't have the balls to do the job that needs to be done. The other countries don't have the balls to even make an attempt. Look at Turkey, they say they won't seriously do anything until ISIL wipes out the Kurds, which we won't allow to happen, then they'll only go after ISIL on their land, they don't care what happens outside of their borders. The whole ME is a mess and it's not going to get cleaned up if we just rely on the ME to police themselves.
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So what? It's in the ME! They have the means to deal with this, it's their problem.
 
Montecresto said:
So what? It's in the ME! They have the means to deal with this, it's their problem.
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But ISIL has the means and the will to attack us too, that makes it our problem as well. Just leaving them alone doesn't mean they'll leave us alone.
 
Cephus said:
But ISIL has the means and the will to attack us too, that makes it our problem as well. Just leaving them alone doesn't mean they'll leave us alone.
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Yes, and Hussein had the means and the will to produce mushroom clouds over US cities, lol. Support sound policies in the Middle East to begin with, namely containment, and you won't be needing to feel scared. Statistically, you will die of a bee sting before a terrorist attack.
 
Montecresto said:
Yes, and Hussein had the means and the will to produce mushroom clouds over US cities, lol. Support sound policies in the Middle East to begin with, namely containment, and you won't be needing to feel scared. Statistically, you will die of a bee sting before a terrorist attack.
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He never had either the means or the will, he never had nukes and he never attacked on U.S. soil. That can't be said for the current breed of terrorists and they're only getting more and more extreme. They've already attacked us once. You want to give them the opportunity to do it again?
 
If you study history you understand extreme fundamentalists have always existed and have always used terror acts to make up for their relatively small numbers. Anyone that says WE or other countries 'cause' terrorists is simply a fool. You cannot 'win' the war on terror in a traditional war sense. At the same time...you cannot stop fighting them. So...the answer is that the war on terror must NEVER end. They arent looking for appeasement. They arent really just good guys with a strong sense of pride in country. They are extremists...fanatics...and they wont stop until they get what they want. So fight them always, ignore them and suffer the consequences, or roll over and die.

I think our country and Presidents have all done a decent job fighting terrorism. Yes...even Obama. I think that has to continue. We have to balance following the constitution and protecting the rights of US citizens with investigating potential terror planning by non-US citizens that happen to be here in the US. We have to have aggressive intel and policing. And when groups rise up like ISIS has we need to squash their head like little ****ing bugs. It would be far more healthy if the world took a stand against scum like ISIS instead of sitting back waiting for us to do it. But if they wont, we still have to.
 
Cephus said:
He never had either the means or the will, he never had nukes and he never attacked on U.S. soil. That can't be said for the current breed of terrorists and they're only getting more and more extreme. They've already attacked us once. You want to give them the opportunity to do it again?
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I'm not scared of Islamic extremists as long as our government promotes sound policy. There's the rub. You, your not concerned with sound policy, or knowing how and why the Islamic State is out of the bottle. You're just scared and want another war in the ME. I assure you, that just as AQ lives, the Islamic State will live.
 
VanceMack said:
If you study history you understand extreme fundamentalists have always existed and have always used terror acts to make up for their relatively small numbers. Anyone that says WE or other countries 'cause' terrorists is simply a fool. You cannot 'win' the war on terror in a traditional war sense. At the same time...you cannot stop fighting them. So...the answer is that the war on terror must NEVER end. They arent looking for appeasement. They arent really just good guys with a strong sense of pride in country. They are extremists...fanatics...and they wont stop until they get what they want. So fight them always, ignore them and suffer the consequences, or roll over and die.

I think our country and Presidents have all done a decent job fighting terrorism. Yes...even Obama. I think that has to continue. We have to balance following the constitution and protecting the rights of US citizens with investigating potential terror planning by non-US citizens that happen to be here in the US. We have to have aggressive intel and policing. And when groups rise up like ISIS has we need to squash their head like little ****ing bugs. It would be far more healthy if the world took a stand against scum like ISIS instead of sitting back waiting for us to do it. But if they wont, we still have to.
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Show me the fool that has declared that the US has "caused" terrorists!?
 
The polling results on this thread are encouraging anyway.
 
Montecresto said:
Show me the fool that has declared that the US has "caused" terrorists!?
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You say that seriously? It has been a common theme among America-hating leftists for quite a few years that it's this country's own actions that have caused Muslim jihadists to treat it as an enemy. A couple examples, out of many that could be turned up by anyone who wanted to look into it.

Maybe you have forgotten how the fake Indian professor at Colorado, Ward Churchill, opined right after 9/11 that the victims in the World Trade Center got what was coming to them. Apparently because these murdered people had facilitated the evil machinery of capitalism, in his view, he famously slandered them as "little Eichmanns."

B. Hussein Obama's preacher of twenty years, Jeremiah "God damn America" Wright, took a similar view. "America, your chickens have come home to roost," as he put it.
 
War on Terror = Islam's War on the World.

To win, one must find the enemy (all radical Islamics) and drestroy them.

To contain the problem, ban all Islamics from the West.
 
matchlight said:
You say that seriously? It has been a common theme among America-hating leftists for quite a few years that it's this country's own actions that have caused Muslim jihadists to treat it as an enemy. A couple examples, out of many that could be turned up by anyone who wanted to look into it.

Maybe you have forgotten how the fake Indian professor at Colorado, Ward Churchill, opined right after 9/11 that the victims in the World Trade Center got what was coming to them. Apparently because these murdered people had facilitated the evil machinery of capitalism, in his view, he famously slandered them as "little Eichmanns."

B. Hussein Obama's preacher of twenty years, Jeremiah "God damn America" Wright, took a similar view. "America, your chickens have come home to roost," as he put it.
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Neither of those examples demonstrate that they believed that the US or US policies "caused" terrorists!! Get this, terrorists exist, and US policy can contain them, or US policy can embolden them!
 
Misterveritis said:
I believe the opposite. We will lose the war that we do not fight.
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Lol! You cannot lose a war that you did not fight. You can fight and win a war, you can fight and lose a war, but you can neither win or loose a war you do not fight. We lost the war against Al Qaeda, they live, and they and their various offshoots and affiliates are menacing far larger portions of territory then they were before the Iraq war. And they seem to be patching things up with the Islamic State now.
 
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Montecresto said:
Lol! You cannot loose a war that you did not fight. You can fight and win a war, you can fight and loose a war, but you can neither win or loose a war you do not fight.
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It is lose. Not loose.

Of course we can lose a war we do not fight. One of our problems is that we fail to recognize the nature of the wars we find ourselves in. We do a poor job of determining what it takes to win. We have long failed to train strategists who can creatively apply national power including diplomacy, propaganda and military force to win.

We lost the war against Al Qaeda, they live, and they and their various offshoots and affiliates are menacing far larger portions of territory then they were before the Iraq war. And they seem to be patching things up with the Islamic State now.
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The war is not over. It is true that Der Fuhrer, the Islamofascist supporter on the golf course, in between fund raisers, gave away many of our early victories. Such is the nature of tyrants. We will rid ourselves of him and his henchmen, then we can move forward to defeat Islamism.

But first our tyrant must go. As long as we have an Islamofascist supporter, an anti-American president, we cannot win as we will choose not to fully engage.
 
Flamethrower said:
War on Terror = Islam's War on the World.

To win, one must find the enemy (all radical Islamics) and drestroy them.

To contain the problem, ban all Islamics from the West.
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If this is the case why arent these groups targeting places like switzerland and sweden? Its not the ideals of islam to wage war on everyone, but when multiple countries are constintaly bombing their countries and towns there going to be upset and want to fight back. The foreign policy of the united states is what started this whole mess to begin with. It's very obtvious, we arm regimes to take out countries, we pay for the overthrowing of leaders and nations. We wanted to go to war a year ago to take out assad, and now assad seems to be one of the few people that is actually fighting ISIS, so we arm rebels that are fighting ASSAD with millions of dollars in weapons! The united states and its major allies are the reason this group is conducting the business it is conducting. We need to leave them alone, we need to allow the good people of these countries to fight for themselves or itll be more and more money millions and millions of dollars more and more death. And the fact that conservatives actually believe we should spend time in there is just beyond ludacris to me, considering we can not even afford to pay for our veterans. Atleast a majority of people agree with me
 
Misterveritis said:
It is lose. Not loose.

Of course we can lose a war we do not fight. One of our problems is that we fail to recognize the nature of the wars we find ourselves in. We do a poor job of determining what it takes to win. We have long failed to train strategists who can creatively apply national power including diplomacy, propaganda and military force to win.


The war is not over. It is true that Der Fuhrer, the Islamofascist supporter on the golf course, in between fund raisers, gave away many of our early victories. Such is the nature of tyrants. We will rid ourselves of him and his henchmen, then we can move forward to defeat Islamism.

But first our tyrant must go. As long as we have an Islamofascist supporter, an anti-American president, we cannot win as we will choose not to fully engage.
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Well thanks, I'll return the favor sometime.

Its ridiculousness to suggest you could lose, or win for that matter, a war which you don't engage in. It's also uneducated to call Obama the things you do. And of course the war isn't over, if it's that nebulous "war on terror" Bush started to which you refer. It has no end. And US policies have guaranteed that. It's job security for the defense contractors and our military, and CIA as well. I'm still surprised at the numbers of Americans scared of Muslims. All the government has to do is claim that their coming to get us, and people start quivering.
 
Libertie76 said:
If this is the case why arent these groups targeting places like switzerland and sweden? Its not the ideals of islam to wage war on everyone, but when multiple countries are constintaly bombing their countries and towns there going to be upset and want to fight back. The foreign policy of the united states is what started this whole mess to begin with. It's very obtvious, we arm regimes to take out countries, we pay for the overthrowing of leaders and nations. We wanted to go to war a year ago to take out assad, and now assad seems to be one of the few people that is actually fighting ISIS, so we arm rebels that are fighting ASSAD with millions of dollars in weapons! The united states and its major allies are the reason this group is conducting the business it is conducting. We need to leave them alone, we need to allow the good people of these countries to fight for themselves or itll be more and more money millions and millions of dollars more and more death. And the fact that conservatives actually believe we should spend time in there is just beyond ludacris to me, considering we can not even afford to pay for our veterans. Atleast a majority of people agree with me
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Yep. Look, the hawks, cons and mongers don't give a **** about that though.
 
Montecresto said:
Neither of those examples demonstrate that they believed that the US or US policies "caused" terrorists!! Get this, terrorists exist, and US policy can contain them, or US policy can embolden them!
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Right. Whatever you say.
 
Montecresto said:
It's also uneducated to call Obama the things you do.
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I'm not uneducated, and I see him pretty much the same way--a person who resents most things about this country and inwardly sympathizes with Islamists who share that resentment. Hard to do well in a war when you have a President who doesn't much like your country.
 
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