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Income Inequality

What should be done to battle income inequality in the USA?

  • Do not intervene

    Votes: 39 53.4%

  • Yes, do intervene

    Votes: 34 46.6%
  • Total voters
    73
Gimmesometruth said:
It is something else other than envy, it is called "stability of a nation".

You have never accepted the fact that the greater the level of inequality, the greater the chance for instability.
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yeah, lefties cloak their envy and butthurt anger over those who are prosperous with grandiose claims that their screw the rich schemes are FOR THE GOOD OF THE NATION.

maybe they can convince themselves that envy doesn't permeate their arguments

it doesn't work
 
Gimmesometruth said:
This ranks right up their with your comments about Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
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Never said I was a diplomat. But its true. Life is regressive. And those who succeed shouldn't be taxed more just so people like you can pretend you are making things even for those who have failed
 
TurtleDude said:
yeah, lefties cloak their envy and butthurt anger over those who are prosperous with grandiose claims that their screw the rich schemes are FOR THE GOOD OF THE NATION.

maybe they can convince themselves that envy doesn't permeate their arguments

it doesn't work
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Here is the irony of all this, back in the 50's, during a period when wealth (wage gains) were distributed much more fairly, it was done as a business decision by the heads of industry, and those heads did not feel the need to flaunt their wealth. Fast forward to today, we have business leaders not only setting as policy the limiting of wage gains (even in Silicon Valley) but the concentration of that wealth in their pockets while they do, very much so, flaunt it in the most obscene manners....and they have succeeded in convincing the population that the gap is not so great.

As I said, you still will not admit to the destabilizing that inequality brings. 2008 did not phase you, perhaps a revolution would.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Here is the irony of all this, back in the 50's, during a period when wealth (wage gains) were distributed much more fairly, it was done as a business decision by the heads of industry, and those heads did not feel the need to flaunt their wealth. Fast forward to today, we have business leaders not only setting as policy the limiting of wage gains (even in Silicon Valley) but the concentration of that wealth in their pockets while they do, very much so, flaunt it in the most obscene manners....and they have succeeded in convincing the population that the gap is not so great.

As I said, you still will not admit to the destabilizing that inequality brings. 2008 did not phase you, perhaps a revolution would.
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your concept of "fairly" has no value

go ahead and revolt. I actually would like to see that happen rather than the long slow slide towards mediocrity where most people will allow it to happen


start the revolution and we will get rid of the malignancy of public teat suckers rather quickly

and you should start your revolution on my driveway. I have all these neat tools that I'd love to test out:mrgreen:
 
Henrin said:
Unless the man were to commit another crime, no, it is not.
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Well that is pretty stupid as the vast majority of crimes are committed by a small number of criminals.

Oh, and guess what is the major cause? Prenatal and infant nutritional issues.

But never mind, you feel no need to give back to society from which you benefited.
 
TurtleDude said:
your concept of "fairly" has no value
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Oh, it isn't just mine, and as I said, it has a lot of value, like maximizing GDP growth, causing national stability....little things like that.

go ahead and revolt. I actually would like to see that happen rather than the long slow slide towards mediocrity where most people will allow it to happen
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Keep pushing for inequality and you will get it. But this is the same crazy, nutty attitude that caused some to want the banks to collapse in 2008.


start the revolution and we will get rid of the malignancy of public teat suckers rather quickly

and you should start your revolution on my driveway. I have all these neat tools that I'd love to test out:mrgreen:
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You are just a sad person.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Well that is pretty stupid as the vast majority of crimes are committed by a small number of criminals.

Oh, and guess what is the major cause? Prenatal and infant nutritional issues.

But never mind, you feel no need to give back to society from which you benefited.
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It's down right stupid to call a police force that is more likely to not be around when a crime happens a security force. No offense, but if that is a security force it's a downright ****ty one.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Oh, it isn't just mine, and as I said, it has a lot of value, like maximizing GDP growth, causing national stability....little things like that.

Keep pushing for inequality and you will get it. But this is the same crazy, nutty attitude that caused some to want the banks to collapse in 2008.


You are just a sad person.
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actually I am very happy. I don't sit around whining or worrying that someone else might be wealthier than I am

I also don't feel a need to pretend I am doing something for "the greater good" as you do
 
Back in the 50's there were less things to purchase (appliances, electronics, technology, etc), people were more prioritized (mature) towards providing the basics first and corporate wealth had not hit the point of having such influence on political decisions, or having extensive industry monopolization and harmful global trade.

Eventually, in every historic setting of a successful economy, the flow of wealth spreads evenly before going steadily upward. The strain and disintegration of fiscal responsibility winds up imploding the markets and federal gov't in a series of ruptures. What happened in 2008 is doomed to reoccur on a more protracted scale, since enough serious steps to prevent it didn't happen.

It's only a matter of time before the FED pumping up market assets, with QE, will have to stop. Then there may be a domino of corrections, which starts another downward spiral. We can't continue to grow the economy with credit, social programs and money printing, it's a flawed concept that needs a set of balancing factors.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Marxist nonsense yada yada yada

As I said, you still will not admit to the destabilizing that inequality brings. 2008 did not phase you, perhaps a revolution would.
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Lets hope so. The tree of liberty must occasionally be refreshed by the tears of liberals.
 
lizzie said:
Nothing should be done, that isn't already being done. Income equality is a reality, because people aren't all equal in intelligence, drive, ingenuity, and just plain old luck. I strongly support reward for efforts, education, and industriousness, and I strongly dislike paying people for doing nothing.
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Spoken like someone to whom the wheelhouse of surrounding reality less than an arms reach, is all they can see and hear and touch no evil, it’s see no evil and for that I will take the time to decimate this post that isn’t fit to swim in a sewer. I will flush the toxicity from within your mind even if it’s too busy massaging an insidiously self-righteous ego that’s the real poison, the pollution, the distribution of wealth with it’s gears grinding while the middle class dying – it’s to never mind. I won’t waste a dime on one needing to only walk a mile in the other shoe to know what’s best for you is best for all. But since you’re too busy being a prissy little ballerina, big baller, yeah holler I’ll not. I won’t waste a precious thought that runs philosophical circles way above that cloud nine shading your imaginary intellectual mind, too blind to see, all the hidden advantages given to thee – disgusting is this post and I’m not surprised to see Telekat liking yet another piece of written trash.



FYI – there once was a time when the black community was on the verge of thriving, so do some homework and tell me what went wrong because I know the answer. Don’t even bother with a reply because trust me when I say to see beyond yourself is a gift given to only those who’ve been brought before the footsteps of The Truth. But you keep cozy underneath that low-lying roof layered with hidden insulation seen only to the few, such as mysel f.
 
serato said:
Spoken like someone to whom the wheelhouse of surrounding reality less than an arms reach, is all they can see and hear and touch no evil, it’s see no evil and for that I will take the time to decimate this post that isn’t fit to swim in a sewer. I will flush the toxicity from within your mind even if it’s too busy massaging an insidiously self-righteous ego that’s the real poison, the pollution, the distribution of wealth with it’s gears grinding while the middle class dying – it’s to never mind. I won’t waste a dime on one needing to only walk a mile in the other shoe to know what’s best for you is best for all. But since you’re too busy being a prissy little ballerina, big baller, yeah holler I’ll not. I won’t waste a precious thought that runs philosophical circles way above that cloud nine shading your imaginary intellectual mind, too blind to see, all the hidden advantages given to thee – disgusting is this post and I’m not surprised to see Telekat liking yet another piece of written trash.



FYI – there once was a time when the black community was on the verge of thriving, so do some homework and tell me what went wrong because I know the answer. Don’t even bother with a reply because trust me when I say to see beyond yourself is a gift given to only those who’ve been brought before the footsteps of The Truth. But you keep cozy underneath that low-lying roof layered with hidden insulation seen only to the few, such as mysel f.
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WOW!!! 219 words of personal attack to say absolutely nothing!!

Is that a new record?
 
GBFAN said:
WOW!!! 219 words of personal attack to say absolutely nothing!!

Is that a new record?
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I'll take the points anytime. Yeah my days numbered and yet my consciousness stays clear.
 
GBFAN said:
You want my story?? Would it make a difference, or would you just discount it as an 'anecdote'? When, actually, it is proof that what you say is false. See, if I were to tell you my story, you would call it a lie, or an anecdote, and provides no proof at all. But, I would say ... quite to the contrary, it proves it can be done ... and, if I can do it, anybody can. They simply choose not to. And, THAT, does not compute in your fantasy world.

So, if it were up to me, "world would starve to death, be wage slaves forever, and be a much bigger ish hole than it already is....". Interesting ... how do you know that to be true about me? Big on assumptions ... short on facts. You claim to be open minded ... but that's only when it fits neatly into your little paradigm. You have no tolerance for anything that violates YOUR perception of the world.
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No but if you made an outlandish comment like the other dude did saying "my single mother raised a family of her + three kids on minimum wage" I would call it the obvious bs it is.

I know that because your a libertarian and its true of all of you. Its how you have been programmed by the institutions and Glenn beck to think.

I have no tolerance for bigots or ppl that refuse to help their fellow man. Your right.

TurtleDude said:
no you didn't. you merely made the claim. there were not millions of americans STARVING during DDE's administration
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I proved it with numbers. You refuted it by arguing with Merriam Webster and saying "I was alive" I bet you were a member of the Jon birch society at some point in your pitiful life.
 
b_dubz said:
No but if you made an outlandish comment like the other dude did saying "my single mother raised a family of her + three kids on minimum wage" I would call it the obvious bs it is.

I know that because your a libertarian and its true of all of you. Its how you have been programmed by the institutions and Glenn beck to think.

I have no tolerance for bigots or ppl that refuse to help their fellow man. Your right.



I proved it with numbers. You refuted it by arguing with Merriam Webster and saying "I was alive" I bet you were a member of the Jon birch society at some point in your pitiful life.
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no you didn't. you changed the definition of starving which was dishonest
 
GBFAN said:
All of that has absolutely nothing to do with getting out of the morass that liberals have consigned the poor into ... but, hey, if you're looking for an excuse, THAT is as good a one as I've heard lately.

You are taking a single comment, and trying to spread it like mayonnaise over everything. I'm curious ... what was the welfare package like 20 years ago? The unemployment package? The government healthcare package? The government food package? Government education packages?

If I accept - and, believe me, I don't - that wages have stagnated, none of that changes how difficult it is to move forward.

However, let's talk about your statement .... if I go to https://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/data/threshld/thresh93.html, I see that the inflation adjusted poverty level for a family of three in 1993 was $11,631, and that in 2013 it was $18,751. While I recognize that ain't a heck of a lot of money, it DOES put the lie to your statement. In addition, you fail to consider the significant increase in hand-outs, which, most assuredly, also have a value.

Now, since you brought it up, let's look at those in the 80-90% range. File:United States Income Distribution 1967-2003.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia shows us that the average income in the 80-90% increased from $75,000 (80% in 1993) to $125,000 (90% in 2005)

So, while your rhetoric sounds nice, and makes everyone feel good, it simply doesn't pass the truth test.
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Their has been a decrease in these programs, not increase.

Poverty rates in america do not adjust for cost of living since the late 60s, only for inflation. Which is insane.

It is your bs that does not pass the truth or logic or any other test. Have you ever seen a poor person?
 
TurtleDude said:
I do use less

and for your argument to have merit

YOU WOULD HAVE TO PROVE that the TOP 5% (who pay more than HALF THE INCOME TAXES) use more government services than the other 95%


You just missed the point entirely

THE MILITARY DOES NOT REBUILD homes so the insurance issue is not applicable

ask any policeman in a big city


WHERE ARE MORE POLICE RESOURCES allocated

POOR neighborhoods or rich ones

how about fire departments

and guess who the government spends more money on INCARCERATING
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Who does sales tax effect the most? Who pays the largest percentage of income in sales tax? OK stfu then.
 
TurtleDude said:
no you didn't. you changed the definition of starving which was dishonest
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No I did not look it up! You do not have to be starving to death to be starving!!!!!!!

That's Merriam Webster!
 
b_dubz said:
Their has been a decrease in these programs, not increase.

Poverty rates in america do not adjust for cost of living since the late 60s, only for inflation. Which is insane.

It is your bs that does not pass the truth or logic or any other test. Have you ever seen a poor person?
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When they defined 'poor person', they took pictures of my family. Yeah, I know poor ...
 
b_dubz said:
No but if you made an outlandish comment like the other dude did saying "my single mother raised a family of her + three kids on minimum wage" I would call it the obvious bs it is.

I know that because your a libertarian and its true of all of you. Its how you have been programmed by the institutions and Glenn beck to think.

I have no tolerance for bigots or ppl that refuse to help their fellow man. Your right.



I proved it with numbers. You refuted it by arguing with Merriam Webster and saying "I was alive" I bet you were a member of the Jon birch society at some point in your pitiful life.
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Got it. You're not interested in truthful discussion ... you just want a forum from which to spew your filth and hatred.

Good luck to you.
 
serato said:
Spoken like someone to whom the wheelhouse of surrounding reality less than an arms reach, is all they can see and hear and touch no evil, it’s see no evil and for that I will take the time to decimate this post that isn’t fit to swim in a sewer. I will flush the toxicity from within your mind even if it’s too busy massaging an insidiously self-righteous ego that’s the real poison, the pollution, the distribution of wealth with it’s gears grinding while the middle class dying – it’s to never mind. I won’t waste a dime on one needing to only walk a mile in the other shoe to know what’s best for you is best for all. But since you’re too busy being a prissy little ballerina, big baller, yeah holler I’ll not. I won’t waste a precious thought that runs philosophical circles way above that cloud nine shading your imaginary intellectual mind, too blind to see, all the hidden advantages given to thee – disgusting is this post and I’m not surprised to see Telekat liking yet another piece of written trash.



FYI – there once was a time when the black community was on the verge of thriving, so do some homework and tell me what went wrong because I know the answer. Don’t even bother with a reply because trust me when I say to see beyond yourself is a gift given to only those who’ve been brought before the footsteps of The Truth. But you keep cozy underneath that low-lying roof layered with hidden insulation seen only to the few, such as mysel f.
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When was the black community on the verge of thriving?
 
GBFAN said:
When they defined 'poor person', they took pictures of my family. Yeah, I know poor ...
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Well why don't you elaborate instead of making silly comments? How much did your family make? How many ppl were their? Simple things like that prove your statements... Or disprove... What EV's...
 
GBFAN said:
Got it. You're not interested in truthful discussion ... you just want a forum from which to spew your filth and hatred.

Good luck to you.
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Nope i want truth and fact. If somebody tells a blatant lie I will happily call them out.
 
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