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Income Inequality

What should be done to battle income inequality in the USA?

  • Do not intervene

    Votes: 39 53.4%

  • Yes, do intervene

    Votes: 34 46.6%
  • Total voters
    73
TurtleDude said:
I'd like the Constitution to actually be followed. if states want to engage in handouts so be it

the ones who create the biggest public tits will be overrun with tit suckers and those who actually pay the freight will leave and pretty soon the tit sucker states will go bankrupt
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Yes continue to ignore what starving means...

I would like to do away with the document that coopted what should have been a peoples revolution.

The founders then proceeded to put down any actual populist revolution their after, and boy their were allot of em...

For their own gains and to maintain their own ill gotten property.
 
TurtleDude said:
well you certainly aren't contributing much sense from where I stand. Your posts are nothing more than boo hoo, blame the rich for your own failures
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You mean blame the rich for their wrong doing and endless greed.
 
b_dubz said:
Well again you would be lying on both fronts then IMO.

I actually know ppl that were raised in such situations, and they were very VERY hungry for most of their childhood (that is until they decided to go out and hustle) their parents scrimped and saved and still could not afford to buy food for them (they ate loads of McDonalds, and still were hungry)

What your saying (by today's standards) would mean your mom supported a family of 4 on 286$ a week. That's 14,872$ a year... Assuming she worked every week. You would have starved.

Furthermore if your older the minimum wage has not increased with productivity (it would be 25 bucks a hr) and a living wage is more like 15$

This is confounded because since 1970 the poverty line has only taken into account inflation. Not rising food costs, or gas or anything else.

So even if you are telling the truth (which I am skeptical about, especially since you refuse to back claims about your current job) the problem has gotten much worse. Not better. Even though both dems and republicans continue to deregulate and give breaks to the rich.

And I'm not mad, I'm calling you out.
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You are making it sound like I am proclaiming to have eaten steak every night. Damn right I went to bed at night hungry sometimes. I remember shopping at Goodwill for school clothes. I got one pair of shoes a year some years. I never said every night was a party. But what I did say was that I was NOT taught to be envious or jealous of others. I went out and made money doing yard work pulling weeds. I delivered papers for money. I worked from an early age and learned to take care of myself to help my mother. You can call me out all you want. Evidently you went to college and can not find a job that pays more than minimum wage and you are now angry and bitter at the world for not taking care of you. Pull up your boot straps and take care of yourself, you just may like it.
 
Lakeside said:
You are making it sound like I am proclaiming to have eaten steak every night. Damn right I went to bed at night hungry sometimes. I remember shopping at Goodwill for school clothes. I got one pair of shoes a year some years. I never said every night was a party. But what I did say was that I was NOT taught to be envious or jealous of others. I went out and made money doing yard work pulling weeds. I delivered papers for money. I worked from an early age and learned to take care of myself to help my mother. You can call me out all you want. Evidently you went to college and can not find a job that pays more than minimum wage and you are now angry and bitter at the world for taking care of you. Pull up your boot straps and take care of yourself, you just may like it.
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No actually I didn't have money to go to college either. I have worked dang hard for everything I have and have seen those that really did grow up in these sorts of circumstances. (Or worse)

If what you say is true, you would have been hungry 24/7 365. You would have not had money to shop at good will. Your mom would have barely been able to put scraps (or today mcdoubles) on the table once a day, and sometimes not that. You would have been through homelessness at some point because she would not have been able to afford rent...

Again stop with the bull dude you would have starved on the street with that income and no public assistance... You would have thought the poverty line was the horizon.
 
TurtleDude said:
well you certainly aren't contributing much sense from where I stand. Your posts are nothing more than boo hoo, blame the rich for your own failures
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I'm not claiming to be a failure, nor am I entirely blaming the rich, it's a systemic issue and the imbalance of wealth is a symptom of the issue.
 
b_dubz said:
Yes continue to ignore what starving means...

I would like to do away with the document that coopted what should have been a peoples revolution.

The founders then proceeded to put down any actual populist revolution their after, and boy their were allot of em...

For their own gains and to maintain their own ill gotten property.
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so tell us all what you do for a living?

you seem rather bitter
 
b_dubz said:
No actually I didn't have money to go to college either. I have worked dang hard for everything I have and have seen those that really did grow up in these sorts of circumstances. (Or worse)

If what you say is true, you would have been hungry 24/7 365. You would have not had money to shop at good will. Your mom would have barely been able to put scraps (or today mcdoubles) on the table once a day, and sometimes not that. You would have been through homelessness at some point because she would not have been able to afford rent...

Again stop with the bull dude you would have starved on the street with that income and no public assistance... You would have thought the poverty line was the horizon.
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You have no idea what you are talking about and keep proving it over and over. It is a shame that people like you live in a dream bubble. I have nothing to prove to you are anyone...I lived it. I hope that anger and bitterness leaves you someday and you join the real world.
 
b_dubz said:
I agree but I don't think it's that their even that socialist leaning.... Its that America is absurdly capitalist to the point of bleeding it dry...
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What makes you think capitalism is bleeding America dry?
 
Lakeside said:
You have no idea what you are talking about and keep proving it over and over. It is a shame that people like you live in a dream bubble. I have nothing to prove to you are anyone...I lived it. I hope that anger and bitterness leaves you someday and you join the real world.
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Really a dream bubble? Its a shame cons feel the need to lie to make their point because they can't do it with fact or intellect.

How did I prove I don't know what I'm talking about? Because i called you out on something that finacally obviously makes 0 sense? OK your in a bubble but wouldn't call it a dream. More like a actual poor persons worst nightmare
TurtleDude said:
so tell us all what you do for a living?

you seem rather bitter
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Sell weed and work at a health food coop 40 hrs a week at least. I'm not bitter I just don't like greedy ppl.

If it were legal I would make allot more. If I weren't a felon I could move. I will move one day, and one day ppl like you will be forced to eat your humble pie by the masses. Promise.

You are greedy and immoral.

What does starving mean? Wanna keep avoiding arguing with the dictionary?
 
b_dubz said:
Really a dream bubble? Its a shame cons feel the need to lie to make their point because they can't do it with fact or intellect.

How did I prove I don't know what I'm talking about? Because i called you out on something that finacally obviously makes 0 sense? OK your in a bubble but wouldn't call it a dream. More like a actual poor persons worst nightmare

Sell weed and work at a health food coop 40 hrs a week at least. I'm not bitter I just don't like greedy ppl.

If it were legal I would make allot more. If I weren't a felon I could move. I will move one day, and one day ppl like you will be forced to eat your humble pie by the masses. Promise.

You are greedy and immoral.

What does starving mean? Wanna keep avoiding arguing with the dictionary?
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so you are felon who sells dope?


and I give away more in a month than you make in a year
 
TurtleDude said:
so you are felon who sells dope?


and I give away more in a month than you make in a year
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Haha funny doubt you give away jack. Who u give to Cato and heritage and other things that help you keep more of your ill gotten gains?

Plus I'm only 25 and had a fairly disadvantaged start can you say the same? And I work damn hard too. Like a said at least 40 hrs a week. Oh and I haven't smoked in like six months due to stupid laws made by you and your ilk.

FYI dope is heroin dummy. Pot is weed.

I will do more good in my life by tenfold than you. And make more money. Count on it.

And at least I am honest unlike some...

What does starving mean? Love how you keep avoiding this... Its a real lawyer thing to do. You know diverting snd distracting from the facts?
 
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Unrepresented said:
Stuff you'll generally disagree with.:D

Tying executive compensation to worker pay is one area which goes to ensure all are befitting more equally from a strongly preforming company.
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So you desire to limit peoples earning potential, so as to boost someones elses?

Protecting international workers and environments to level the playing field that selects against American workers and manufacturing.
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Would you not have to involve yourself in other countries economies to do this?

Single payer healthcare so that employees can negotiate income separately from benefits.
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Really, third party transactions are bad for market prices as it separates the consumer from the end cost. If doctors were more upfront about what something costs and people were actually paying for their own care costs would decrease.

A more robust retirement program to supplement the historic drop in defined pension programs for American workers.
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Pension plans declined because the way they were maintained was banned.

An overtime structure that doesn't discriminate against workers combining multiple part time jobs to achieve full time employment.
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What? What does that mean? How would you do that?

A reversal of "right to work" laws, which primarily serve business interests rather than worker interests.
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No. Right to work ensures that people are not forced into association.

Raising minimum wage.
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What benefit could that bring? Minimum wage does not increase peoples living standards.

Increased public funding for higher education. Companies expecting highly trained employees should contribute to the cost of educating them, rather than forcing a crippling debt load onto those least capable of immediately repaying it.
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People should pay for the services they receive. Why should I or anyone else pay for someones else's education? I know the social benefit angle, so please look elsewhere for your argument.
 
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TurtleDude said:
so you are felon who sells dope?


and I give away more in a month than you make in a year
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People who can take care of themselves is now considered "Greedy"? I will never understand the upside down world of Liberals/Socialist/Progressives. With so many of these bleeding hearts no one else should have to pay any taxes at all. I am sure with their way of thinking that they give away ALL of their money to the poor or the IRS to stop all the STARVING in America.
 
Lakeside said:
You are making it sound like I am proclaiming to have eaten steak every night. Damn right I went to bed at night hungry sometimes. I remember shopping at Goodwill for school clothes. I got one pair of shoes a year some years. I never said every night was a party. But what I did say was that I was NOT taught to be envious or jealous of others. I went out and made money doing yard work pulling weeds. I delivered papers for money. I worked from an early age and learned to take care of myself to help my mother. You can call me out all you want. Evidently you went to college and can not find a job that pays more than minimum wage and you are now angry and bitter at the world for not taking care of you. Pull up your boot straps and take care of yourself, you just may like it.
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The problem is that American inequality goes BEYOND any of what you've posted. Boot straps may take a couple of hard-working individuals from the lower class to the top richest percentile; it takes even more from the ranks of lower class to middle class American. That's the classic American dream. That's great when it happens to a few people who are able to realize their dreams, without it affecting the distribution of wealth of everyone else in the economy. However the issue we're facing today is so completely and utterly beyond any of that, because the wealth of the wealthiest Americans is starting to suck up all of the capital in the country.

I'm sure you've seen the infographics where it shows that the top 1% controls ~35% of the wealth in the country, while the top 10% owns nearly 50% in the entire country. That's levels of resource pooling that is not sustainable for a healthy economy AND it's getting worse. The wealthiest Americans have so much control over America's total wealth, that their pools of wealth (the ownership of private and public enterprises) are growing and attracting more capital, and literally pushing out and depriving all other economic actors. That's threatening the wider stability and growth of economy. You know how monopolies suck and destroy free economies? Imagine an economy where there's a monopoly of a few individuals over capital itself.
 
b_dubz said:
Haha funny doubt you give away jack. Who u give to Cato and heritage and other things that help you keep more of your ill gotten gains?

Plus I'm only 25 and had a fairly disadvantaged start can you say the same? And I work damn hard too. Like a said at least 40 hrs a week. Oh and I haven't smoked in like six months due to stupid laws made by you and your ilk.

FYI dope is heroin dummy. Pot is weed.

I will do more good in my life by tenfold than you. And make more money. Count on it.

And at least I am honest unlike some...

What does starving mean? Love how you keep avoiding this... Its a real lawyer thing to do. You know diverting from the facts?
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You don't know much of anything. I think war on drugs is stupid. do you know what "authorizes" it? FDR's expansion of the COMMERCE CLAUSE



You best make over 50 million dollars dude.

Dope can mean weed I know, I worked with DEA agents for almost a quarter of a century

Millions were not starving in the late fifties
 
Lakeside said:
People who can take care of themselves is now considered "Greedy"? I will never understand the upside down world of Liberals/Socialist/Progressives. With so many of these bleeding hearts no one else should have to pay any taxes at all. I am sure with their way of thinking that they give away ALL of their money to the poor or the IRS to stop all the STARVING in America.
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Theirs a difference between taking care of yourself and refusing to pay what is owed to your society. The society that allowed you to prosper.

I wouldn't expect someone who lies about their childhood or present job to understand such things tho...

Explain to me why you were never homeless? I need a good chuckel...
 
Lakeside said:
People who can take care of themselves is now considered "Greedy"? I will never understand the upside down world of Liberals/Socialist/Progressives. With so many of these bleeding hearts no one else should have to pay any taxes at all. I am sure with their way of thinking that they give away ALL of their money to the poor or the IRS to stop all the STARVING in America.
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yeah, don't take care of yourself-you are selfish if you do

the parasite mentality is amazing
 
b_dubz said:
Theirs a difference between taking care of yourself and refusing to pay what is owed to your society. The society that allowed you to prosper.
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Refusing to pay what is owed to society? I never understood that argument. In what way to do I owe society anything?
 
b_dubz said:
Haha funny doubt you give away jack. Who u give to Cato and heritage and other things that help you keep more of your ill gotten gains?

Plus I'm only 25 and had a fairly disadvantaged start can you say the same? And I work damn hard too. Like a said at least 40 hrs a week. Oh and I haven't smoked in like six months due to stupid laws made by you and your ilk.

FYI dope is heroin dummy. Pot is weed.

I will do more good in my life by tenfold than you. And make more money. Count on it.

And at least I am honest unlike some...

What does starving mean? Love how you keep avoiding this... Its a real lawyer thing to do. You know diverting snd distracting from the facts?
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Pompous, self-righteous and inarticulate is no way to go through life.
 
b_dubz said:
Theirs a difference between taking care of yourself and refusing to pay what is owed to your society. The society that allowed you to prosper.

I wouldn't expect someone who lies about their childhood or present job to understand such things tho...

Explain to me why you were never homeless? I need a good chuckel...
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more crap. everyone should pay the same amount since they basically get the same government benefits

and most of the rich use less than the poor.

People prosper because they work hard. claiming society allows it is just loserspeak for blaming failure on others
 
brothern said:
The problem is that American inequality goes BEYOND any of what you've posted. Boot straps may take a couple of hard-working individuals from the lower class to the top richest percentile; it takes even more from the ranks of lower class to middle class American. That's the classic American dream. That's great when it happens to a few people who are able to realize their dreams, without it affecting the distribution of wealth of everyone else in the economy. However the issue we're facing today is so completely and utterly beyond any of that, because the wealth of the wealthiest Americans is starting to suck up all of the capital in the country.

I'm sure you've seen the infographics where it shows that the top 1% controls ~35% of the wealth in the country, while the top 10% owns nearly 50% in the entire country. That's levels of resource pooling that is not sustainable for a healthy economy AND it's getting worse. The wealthiest Americans have so much control over America's total wealth, that their pools of wealth (the ownership of private and public enterprises) are growing and attracting more capital, and literally pushing out and depriving all other economic actors. That's threatening the wider stability and growth of economy. You know how monopolies suck and destroy free economies? Imagine an economy where there's a monopoly of a few individuals over capital itself.
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and your libertarian solution is what?

as long as investments earn money and taxes are not 100% the rich will continue to get richer
 
TurtleDude said:
You don't know much of anything. I think war on drugs is stupid. do you know what "authorizes" it? FDR's expansion of the COMMERCE CLAUSE



You best make over 50 million dollars dude.

Dope can mean weed I know, I worked with DEA agents for almost a quarter of a century

Millions were not starving in the late fifties
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They were starving and continue to starve. You refusing to understand what starving means has nothing to do with FACT.

Go up to any drug dealer in the country and ask for dope. See what you get.... This would be one of the many reasons the dirty pigs are so god awful at their job.

And no Nixon made drugs illegal come on dude u must b a terrible lawyer. 50mill? Easy peasy but I would never want that much as it makes you a horrible person.

yes I no you think the drug war is stupid its one of the only places I agree with libertarians. In fact I am a social libertarian myself. The rest of y'all are nutso tho... And usually very greedy or two ignorant to even understand what the word means (no really 23% of ppl that affiliate as libertarian have no clue what it means) and even less have any idea as to what version of libertarian they subscribe too...

http://mic.com/articles/97156/libertarians-don-t-seem-to-understand-what-libertarian-means
 
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TurtleDude said:
more crap. everyone should pay the same amount since they basically get the same government benefits

and most of the rich use less than the poor.

People prosper because they work hard. claiming society allows it is just loserspeak for blaming failure on others
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A very few get to the upper class of society from hard work. The rest don't, although they still work very hard. The vast majority of rich start out wayyyyyyy ahead. Or at least in the upper middle.

I garuntee I work harder than you on any given day, even being a pot peddling punk. I fix my house, have a fill workday, and still find time to drive all over the city which can take hours... Even eight.... How do I do it? Insomnia!
 
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TurtleDude said:
and your libertarian solution is what?

as long as investments earn money and taxes are not 100% the rich will continue to get richer
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I not detailing solutions, I'm acknowledging that there is a problem that needs to be addressed.

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a libertarian who supports feudalism.
 
b_dubz said:
And no Nixon made drugs illegal common dude u must b a terrible lawyer. 50mill? Easy peasy but I would never want that much as it makes you a horrible person.
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Money by itself doesn't make someone a horrible person. It is a myth that money or power corrupts. What actually happens is that corrupt people become rich and or gain power do terrible things.

yes I no you think the drug war is stupid its one of the only places I agree with libertarians. In fact I am a social libertarian myself. The rest of y'all are nutso tho... And usually very greedy or two ignorant to even understand what the word means (no really 23% of ppl that affiliate as libertarian have no clue what it means) and even less have any idea as to what version of libertarian they subscribe too...
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I'm a voluntaryist. I used to be a minarchist as my profile shows, but well, all things change.
 
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