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Should the USA and Canada be one country?

Should the USA and Canada be one country?

  • Yes, the benefits for both countries is too much to pass up

    Votes: 12 16.4%

  • No, leave well enough alone eh?

    Votes: 61 83.6%
  • Total voters
    73
American said:
And I am suppose to care about your opinion because?
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How adult coming from a mod.

Look please stop trolling and either deal with the contents of the post or get lost. You are a mod and we cannot put you on ignore, so please either conform to forum guidelines or not post. I do not want nor appreciate harassment.
 
Fearandloathing said:
How adult coming from a mod.

Look please stop trolling and either deal with the contents of the post or get lost. You are a mod and we cannot put you on ignore, so please either conform to forum guidelines or not post. I do not want nor appreciate harassment.
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What you did was convey a highly puffed up rant. I wouldn't want us united, on that we agree. And I actually like Canadians. What happened in 1812 would have little bearing on today, and is irrelevant. But if that makes you feel good, you go right ahead and paint 1812 on your forehead.
 
Fearandloathing said:
You have tried that twice before, 1776 and 1812 or thereabouts and we rather forcefully and with some great loss of American lives said "no thanks."

You are completely wrong about cultural values. Canadians DO NOT speak English as a first language, 35% speak French as thei first and sometimes only language, to et anywhere here you have to speak both.

There is NO cultural connection beyond the media. If any American want to try to understand that try reading a Canadian philosopher named John Ralston Saul John Ralston Saul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We are about as similar as blackberries and roses. The US was founded on war, spends a good majority of its income on war and war machines, while Canada spends its money on health care and social programs. Americans arm themselves against each other, Canadians arm peacekeepers and look out for one another. We deplore your violence and racism and you would NOT like how we deal with people who want to walk around with a gun. You would not like our policing as we watched in horror the military equipment rolled out against your own citizens, an appalling display of fear.

The US is divided along race, black white, and political, lines a growing schism leading to more and more violence in the streets. In Canada we never refer to race, but nationality, we have no red people, yellow people, black people, brown people, or white people, we have Canadians, a land where there has never been a race riot, we riot over the very important things in life, hockey.

While you tout Norad, Canadians are increasingly questioning our traditional role with Amerika, especially in light of the fact you've been killing and bombing people for 14 years and now have Iraq V3.0 with another 5 to 15 years of war there.

Canadians have a higher standard of living than the US, better education, better health care, and we get along, Asians, Indians, Africans and even], gasp!, Muslims. Why would we want to give that up so Americans can have access to our resources?

Please keep out.
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Canada didn't even exist as a country back in 1776 or 1812. Hmmmm something's fishy about your claim.

The USA fought Great Britain in 1776 and in 1812. And while I'm sure the British did inflict some damage, the US won both those wars.
 
American said:
What you did was convey a highly puffed up rant. I wouldn't want us united, on that we agree. And I actually like Canadians. What happened in 1812 would have little bearing on today, and is irrelevant. But if that makes you feel good, you go right ahead and paint 1812 on your forehead.
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Canada didn't become a country until 1856.

You figure it out.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Canada didn't even exist as a country back in 1776 or 1812. Hmmmm something's fishy about your claim.

The USA fought Great Britain in 1776 and in 1812. And while I'm sure the British did inflict some damage, the US won both those wars.
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Ah...technically it did exist as a colony called Upper and Lower Canada.

The US invaded Quebec in 1776 and attacked the citadel du Quebec. The French Canadians under a British General simply let them charge and killed them in sufficient numbers they retreated and attempting to flee down the St Laurence to Gannanoque in green wood boats, most of the American contingent was killed.

In 1812, despite your propaganda about John Paul Jones on Lake Erie, the Americans never achieved their objective of controlling the shipping route. The attempted invasion of American forces on the Niagara peninsula was taken down by the efforts of a teen aged girl named Laura Secord who used her cows as cover to get through the American lines and warn a contingent of British, Iraquois and Canadian volunteers; the Americans were driven off the peninsula at about where Welland is now into row boats where they made the long journey back.

The US teaches it "won" the war of 1812, but the truth is the only full battle they won was New Orleans which was fought several weeks after the US had pressed for peaces and signed a peace treaty in Paris, the news only reaching Washington after the battle of New Orleans.

In the end, the US invaded this land twice and were repelled successfully.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Ah...technically it did exist as a colony called Upper and Lower Canada.

The US invaded Quebec in 1776 and attacked the citadel du Quebec. The French Canadians under a British General simply let them charge and killed them in sufficient numbers they retreated and attempting to flee down the St Laurence to Gannanoque in green wood boats, most of the American contingent was killed.

In 1812, despite your propaganda about John Paul Jones on Lake Erie, the Americans never achieved their objective of controlling the shipping route. The attempted invasion of American forces on the Niagara peninsula was taken down by the efforts of a teen aged girl named Laura Secord who used her cows as cover to get through the American lines and warn a contingent of British, Iraquois and Canadian volunteers; the Americans were driven off the peninsula at about where Welland is now into row boats where they made the long journey back.

The US teaches it "won" the war of 1812, but the truth is the only full battle they won was New Orleans which was fought several weeks after the US had pressed for peaces and signed a peace treaty in Paris, the news only reaching Washington after the battle of New Orleans.

In the end, the US invaded this land twice and were repelled successfully.
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In other words, the British fought a good fight in 1776 and in 1812 but the US still won both of those wars, and Canada's greatest military victory of all time wasn't even a Canadian victory, but a British one.
 
Fearandloathing said:
And no, Canada became a country in 1867. It has always been called "Canada" however and the people in it "Canadians".
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Hey look at it this way, neighbor. You're already on the habit of hitching your wagon to your colonizers and taking credit for their moral victories, you'll do just fine when your wagon is hitched to the Americans.
 
Peter Grimm said:
In other words, the British fought a good fight in 1776 and in 1812 but the US still won both of those wars, and Canada's greatest military victory of all time wasn't even a Canadian victory, but a British one.
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Try reading it.

Canadians fought that war and you lost.

Thanks for playing. Have a nice life
 
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Fearandloathing said:
Try reading it.

Canadians fought that war and you lost.

Thanks for playing. Have a nice life
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That's cute that you think Canada fought in a war before Canada even existed. At least it gives you guys something to be proud over, other than hockey and syrup of course. You can't be proud of your bacon, that stuff sucks. I'll stick to American bacon, thanks.

That story about the girl and her cows was touching, though. I think, to honor that brave young woman, you guys should replace your maple leaf flag with this...

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Your mounties should all ride cows instead of horses too.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Hey look at it this way, neighbor. You're already on the habit of hitching your wagon to your colonizers and taking credit for their moral victories, you'll do just fine when your wagon is hitched to the Americans.
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Speaking of which, John Paul Jones was a Scotsman.

As for Canadia

 
Manc Skipper said:
Speaking of which, John Paul Jones was a Scotsman.

As for Canadia

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Damn, they invented the zipper? Brilliant bastards. If it weren't for them, every American would be fastening up his pants with a shoestring. Thanks, Canada. Every time I take a leak I shall think of you.


LMAO: Step two.... buy a canoe!
 
Fearandloathing said:
Try reading it.

Canadians fought that war and you lost.

Thanks for playing. Have a nice life
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So what? Would you care to try that again or something? Is that your point, because it's the only point you have; and a bad one at that.
 
tres borrachos said:
Should the USA and Canada be one country?

No.

But I do appreciate that they gave the world hockey.
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That's the only thing I have against them. Well, that and Celine Dion.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Well if Canada didn't exist until 1876, how could they have defeated us in 1776 and 1812?
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We fought the Revolutionary War against Canada? Damn those bastards!
 
Peter Grimm said:
I'm pretty sure the majority of Americans and Canadians will be against this idea.... however I'd like to put it out there for discussion.
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Shortening your post to make my post a bit shorter. ;)

I personally think that in an IDEAL world there would be no such things as national borders. A one world government with districts would be much better. Each district having its own "mini" government to deal with local issues. The world government taking care of the Freedoms of people and making sure that the environment is taken care of.

But...again...that is in an IDEAL world. A world where people actually care about other people and aren't greedy power hungry assholes. Alas...we do not live in such a world. Until we do I support nationalism as its much easier to put a government in its place should it get out of control if it doesn't have control of all of the worlds resources and capabilities.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Shortening your post to make my post a bit shorter. ;)

I personally think that in an IDEAL world there would be no such things as national borders. A one world government with districts would be much better. Each district having its own "mini" government to deal with local issues. The world government taking care of the Freedoms of people and making sure that the environment is taken care of.

But...again...that is in an IDEAL world. A world where people actually care about other people and aren't greedy power hungry assholes. Alas...we do not live in such a world. Until we do I support nationalism as its much easier to put a government in its place should it get out of control if it doesn't have control of all of the worlds resources and capabilities.
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If the Europeans can form a union, if Germany can unify, if the Italian states can unite, if China can unite, if the United Kingdom can fly a single flag, then I say why not the US and Canada? It's not like such a move would be unprecedented

We have so much in common, it makes sense.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Canada didn't even exist as a country back in 1776 or 1812. Hmmmm something's fishy about your claim.

The USA fought Great Britain in 1776 and in 1812. And while I'm sure the British did inflict some damage, the US won both those wars.
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It might be a good idea to brush up on your history Peter, if you like posting on such forums.

Britain conceded the revolutionary war to the American colonists, partly because there was very little public support for a war that was considered one of brother against brother, and perhaps more importantly, it was skewing trade, and hence the profits to be made if peace were to be re-established.

It was also conceded, importantly, due to the intervention of France and Spain, the other two superpowers of the time, whose efforts, in the case of France anyway, where decisive.

The war of 1812 was an ill conceived attempt for a modest emerging country to assert itself on the world stage, but it was a bit early, and the consequences were not not so favorable to the young republic, and included the burning down of Washington and the flight of the then government there, and also the lack of achievement of the original war aims, for the most part.

Does that sound like victory to you? Maybe. If you have been raised on US textbooks, it probably does.
 
Ganesh said:
It might be a good idea to brush up on your history Peter, if you like posting on such forums.

Britain conceded the revolutionary war to the American colonists, partly because there was very little public support for a war that was considered one of brother against brother, and perhaps more importantly, it was skewing trade, and hence the profits to be made if peace were to be re-established.

It was also conceded, importantly, due to the intervention of France and Spain, the other two superpowers of the time, whose efforts, in the case of France anyway, where decisive.

The war of 1812 was an ill conceived attempt for a modest emerging country to assert itself on the world stage, but it was a bit early, and the consequences were not not so favorable to the young republic, and included the burning down of Washington and the flight of the then government there, and also the lack of achievement of the original war aims, for the most part.

Does that sound like victory to you? Maybe. If you have been raised on US textbooks, it probably does.
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So, in other words, Britain lost the American Revolutionary war in 1776 and they lost the war of 1812 to.... the United States.

Everything else you're saying are merely notional excuses. America won the wars, that's the indisputable fact, proven by the fact that we exist today as a nation.

We've been kicking butt since day one.

And if we're going to indulge in conjecture, I would submit to you that had the United States NOT won the two wars in question, then Canada and India would never have gained their own independence from the Brits. The American Revolution set in motion a chain of events that led to the end of the British Empire.
 
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