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Should the USA and Canada be one country?

Should the USA and Canada be one country?

  • Yes, the benefits for both countries is too much to pass up

    Votes: 12 16.4%

  • No, leave well enough alone eh?

    Votes: 61 83.6%
  • Total voters
    73
No thank you, are politicians are bad enough we don't need to dumb our system down with yours
 
Kobie said:
Wow, you're a descendant of Revolutionary War fighters? So am I. I don't act like I had something to do with it.

What are these "irreconcilable differences"? I'm not advocating the OP's premise, but I find your opinion ridiculous.
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I suppose the difference in attitudes is the difference between one who believes in and supports the ideals on which this nation was founded, and one who opposes these principles and is ashamed of them.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
I suppose the difference in attitudes is the difference between one who believes in and supports the ideals on which this nation was founded, and one who opposes these principles and is ashamed of them.
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That's a wonderful load of gibberish that doesn't even come close to answering my question. Have you ever BEEN to Canada?
 
Kobie said:
That's a wonderful load of gibberish that doesn't even come close to answering my question. Have you ever BEEN to Canada?
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I don't get why you think I should have answered a question before it was asked; nor what authority you think you have to demand that I answer any question anyway. Clearly, you identify more with the Canadian culture than with your own, and it is not difficult to see why. Your brave ancestors who fought to establish this culture would surely be ashamed of you.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
I don't get why you think I should have answered a question before it was asked; nor what authority you think you have to demand that I answer any question anyway. Clearly, you identify more with the Canadian culture than with your own, and it is not difficult to see why. Your brave ancestors who fought to establish this culture would surely be ashamed of you.
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How on earth have I illustrated in any way I "identify more with the Canadian culture"? Link to the exact post please, or I will assume, as per usual, that you extricated that moronic statement directly from your own ass.

You didn't answer my question because you can't.
 
Kobie said:
How on earth have I illustrated in any way I "identify more with the Canadian culture"? Link to the exact post please, or I will assume, as per usual, that you extricated that moronic statement directly from your own ass.

You didn't answer my question because you can't.
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It's just this bizarre "patriotic revolutionary complex a lot of these right wingers have.

They all literally believe they're George Washingtons and any country that doesn't adhere to their strict interpretation of what "freedom" means is an authoritarian.

Which is a bit ironic coming from a man who goes red in the face over gays having any freedom at all.
 
The premise of this thread seems to be that Canada has a ton of natural resources, the United States has a lot of natural resources, but neither nation has as much as Russia, so we need to merge in order to compete.

Per capita GDP for Russia: $18,408

Per capita GDP for the United States: $54,980

Per capita GDP for Canada: $44,656

I don't think we have anything to worry about competing with Russia. Natural resources can help with economic growth, but many nations that are very rich in natural resources are poor. Innovation is far more important in today's global economy and the United States and Canada have it in spades. Hell West Virginia has abundant Natural Resources and it hasn't done that much good at all economically.

As to this notion that Canada needs the United States to help exploit its natural resources. That assumes that Canadians want to develop every square in of their country. They don't. They like having a low population density with a massive wilderness. As others have pointed out, I do think we will become more economically united over time as we already are to a large degree. I would imagine it will get even easier for Canadians to live and work here and for Americans to live and work there, but I don't think we will ever become one country.
 
Jetboogieman said:
It's just this bizarre "patriotic revolutionary complex a lot of these right wingers have.

They all literally believe they're George Washingtons and any country that doesn't adhere to their strict interpretation of what "freedom" means is an authoritarian.

Which is a bit ironic coming from a man who goes red in the face over gays having any freedom at all.
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It makes them no different than many of the founders who after all were a bunch of aristocratic white men, many of whom owned slaves, that believed that actual freedom should only apply to other blue blooded white men like them.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
The premise of this thread seems to be that Canada has a ton of natural resources, the United States has a lot of natural resources, but neither nation has as much as Russia, so we need to merge in order to compete.

Per capita GDP for Russia: $18,408

Per capita GDP for the United States: $54,980

Per capita GDP for Canada: $44,656

I don't think we have anything to worry about competing with Russia. Natural resources can help with economic growth, but many nations that are very rich in natural resources are poor. Innovation is far more important in today's global economy and the United States and Canada have it in spades. Hell West Virginia has abundant Natural Resources and it hasn't done that much good at all economically.

As to this notion that Canada needs the United States to help exploit its natural resources. That assumes that Canadians want to develop every square in of their country. They don't. They like having a low population density with a massive wilderness. As others have pointed out, I do think we will become more economically united over time as we already are to a large degree. I would imagine it will get even easier for Canadians to live and work here and for Americans to live and work there, but I don't think we will ever become one country.
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Japan is a case in point for rich country poor in natural resources.
 
I think merging the US and Canada politically into one union would not be practical,
and could ruined some of the better aspects of Canada.
I think any such merger would by Canadian law involve the 1st nation tribes,
and I cannot see them going along with the idea.
It might be a good idea to look (really look) at an expansion of NAFTA, to allow
citizens of of the participating countries to work freely in the other countries.
(I.E. a person without a criminal background, could easily get a work visa.)
 
Peter Grimm said:
I'm pretty sure the majority of Americans and Canadians will be against this idea.... however I'd like to put it out there for discussion.

Unless you're living under a rock, you know that there exists such a thing as the European Union. In it, several European countries have come together to form a bloc in which they share a common currency, certain branches of government, in which there is a free flow of people, and they are working toward a mutual defense system.


I will lay out a case why I think such a union between the United States and Canada could be beneficial to both parties, and could work better than even the EU.


1.) Cultural similarities - Both countries speak English as their first language. The way they talk are virtually indistinguishable from one another. Vancouver and Seattle have more in common with each other, culturally, than either one does with Birmingham Alabama, for example. Toronto and Buffalo have more in common than either has with Dallas.

This is not the case in the EU, and their union still works. USA and Canada are a natural cultural fit.


2.) National Defense - Today, we have NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command) which essentially serves to link up the United States and Canada as one unit when it comes to the defense of our continent from foreign invasions. Canada benefits from the US' huge military providing security, and the US benefits from the early warning and defense from the north by, potentially, the Russians or others.

The EU has no such defense agreement, but their union still works. Norad has existed and worked well for both countries since 1956.


3.) Alaska - The only way to get to Alaska is to drive through or fly over Canada. It helps to be able to get to and access your own territories freely.


4.) Economy - Canada is extremely blessed with natural resources. At least equal to that of the United States. Russia is more blessed than either one. The only way Canada or the US can match the Russians is to combine forces.

Here's a breakdown:

CANADA -

Proven oil reserves: 173.9 billion barrels
Proven gas reserves: 70 trillion cubic feet
Proven coal reserves: 7.8 billion tons

Energy portfolio... total value: $20.2 trillion



Metal and ore reserves... $1 trillion

Reserves composition (value):

79% Potash
6% Iron ore
5% Nickel
3% Gold
3% Copper
1% Zinc
1% Platinum (PGM)

Years of production: 56




UNITED STATES -

Proven oil reserves: 35 billion barrels
Proven gas reserves: 300 trillion cubic feet
Proven coal reserves: 237 billion tons

Energy portfolio.... total value: $28.5 trillion


Metal and ore reserves... $613 billion

Reserves composition (value):

20% Copper
19% Iron Ore
12% Gold
5% Platinum (PGM)
4% Zinc
3% Potash

Years of production: 44



RUSSIA -

Proven oil reserves: 87 billion barrels
Proven gas reserves: 1,163 trillion cubic feet
Proven coal reserves: 157 billion tons

Energy portfolio.... total value: $40.7 trillion


Metal and ore reserves... $1.63 trillion

Reserves composition (value):

49% Iron ore
20% Potash
14% Platinum (PGM)
8% Gold
5% Nickel
4% Copper

Years of production: 99



So you can see, the only way the US or Canada can match Russia as far as resources go is to combine forces, in which case we surpass the Russians.

So this benefits the Americans on the global stage. On the other hand, the US is blessed with a large, educated, and industrial population and we have the largest GDP in the world by a long shot. Canada could benefit greatly from free American investment minus all the legal and currency hurdles that exist today.



5.) We get Burger King back, and two types of bacon > one type of bacon.




What do you think? Would you be in favor of the USA and Canada joining forces, or is it better to continue as is?
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Canada can join the US. Once Global Warming thaws it out, we'll have access to a crap ton of resources.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
The United States was founded in defiance and violent rebellion against a horrendous tyrant.

Canada was founded in cowering and grovelling before this same tyrant.

More than two centuries later, deep and irreconcilable cultural differences remain, defined by this difference in origins of the two nations.

To suggest that the two nations are similar enough to make sense of such a union is a deep insult to any American.
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The American revolution was dominated by an entrepreneurial class who had the notion they could achieve more profit by evading taxes, and seizing more aboriginal land in what is now the mid-west. They were at odds with their fellows in Britain over this, and so rebelled. The issue of taxation without representation was soon resolved, as the British government relented, and allowed for colonial representation in parliament. The revolution continued however.

Canada (despite a minor rebellion in 1837) achieved its status by intelligent men and women negotiating a mutually beneficial arrangement, and doing so without wholesale slaughter.

Which makes more sense to you?
 
Leave bad enough alone.

This will not happen.

Don't take my word for this,just wait and see.

There's a lot better chance of Quebec seceding from Canada then there is of Canada ever joining the USA.
 
Muhammed said:
The US is incompatible with a Monarchy.
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Nevertheless, it accepts its' CORPORATOCRACY seeking world domination through the NWO as a good thing. Talk about dumb, eh?
 
Peter Grimm said:
The US government doesn't provide services in any language. That's done at the state level. We're not as federalized as Canada.
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Well you would start having to otherwise you are discriminating against Francophones.
 
DA60 said:
What is in it for Canada...a much higher murder rate and more terrorism?

Sure America gets all those natural resources and only has to take on an additional 35 million people to get them.

What on Earth does Canada get out of it?
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Free access to the 50 united states (would you want to retire in Edmonton or Ft Lauderdale?)

Access to a bigger pool of jobs

Access to the wealthiest and largest consumer market in the world

Access to the biggest and best universities and research facilities in the world

Access to the biggest and best military in the world

Protection, people, and resources to develop their natural assets, such as the Arctic regions

Access to warm water shipping ports


The list goes on and on, but I have to assume you're joking. The USA is the wealthiest country on earth, you don't have to stretch your mind very far to figure out why hitching your wagon on to a winner might be a good idea.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
The United States was founded in defiance and violent rebellion against a horrendous tyrant.

Canada was founded in cowering and grovelling before this same tyrant.

More than two centuries later, deep and irreconcilable cultural differences remain, defined by this difference in origins of the two nations.

To suggest that the two nations are similar enough to make sense of such a union is a deep insult to any American.
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You realize that was 250 years ago, right? LMAO. Well I guess we should just kick all the southern states out of the union then because of irreconcilable differences.

There is some irony in this: 150 years ago the Whig party opposed the Mexican-American war on the same grounds that you're opposing adding Canada as a territory now. Had we listened to the Whigs, California, Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, and UTAH..... would all be part of Mexico.

How do you like that, senor?
 
I think we should just continue the relationship we have with Canada that both countries benefit from.
 
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