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Parents: Punishing Kids [W:361]

is it ever allowable for a Parent to punish their child with force?

  • Yes

    Votes: 43 68.3%

  • No

    Votes: 12 19.0%

  • Other (explain)

    Votes: 8 12.7%
  • Total voters
    63
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

ecofarm said:
You are the one substituting your own lust of revenge for what the justice system is really about. In your self-centered, tiny little world view, the justice system is there to harm people for you. That's pathetic.
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To the contrary, justice systems generally exist to harm people for the benefit of the state. Theoretically, by extension, this benefits society in general, if one assumes that what is in the state's best interests is also in the best interests of the people living under its control.

Or... At least, that is how things would work under an autocratic government.

The United States is a bit different, as people have a say in deciding law through the power of elected representatives. This is actually a major cause of the rather confused justice system you see today, as voters are often in favor of retributive forms of punishment, and tend to view some crimes as being more heinous than others regardless of the level of objective harm that they can actually be shown to cause.

It is essentially emotionally driven "mob rule," working in collusion with the more draconian impulses of government, to bring American society the very worst elements that both worlds have to offer.

Typical fundie anti-intellectualism. Tell us again how sociology is a scam.
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No need. Your posts do it for me. :lol:
 
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CRUE CAB said:
What may work over seas somewhere is no proof that it will or could work here. We are talking about here in the US.
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You might have noticed that he provided no evidence that it works. All he said is that they do this and they have less crime. His statement means nothing by itself.
 
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ecofarm said:
More baseless rhetoric.

I'm special because my family has been concerned about each other for generations!

I'm special because I'm a parent!

When you no longer rely on personal and family greatness to support child abuse and hypocrisy, let me know.
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You seem awfully bitter for someone who doesn't know me or my family or how we raise children. Just because I support AP now all the sudden I am a child abuse supporter. Why don't we jut call that what it is, hyperbole.

I will tell you right now I have it easier and better than most parents because of that family and the collective knowledge we have. I am ever grateful for it. It is a special family one you don't see all the time.
 
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Gathomas88 said:
To the contrary, justice systems general exist to harm people for the benefit of the state.
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That's sick. I hope someday you'll understand the justice system is about justifying society through protection and redemption. It's about making the social contract worthwhile.
 
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ecofarm said:
That's sick. I hope someday you'll actually understand the justice system is about justifying society through protection and redemption.
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Annnnnd up go the ideological blinders, right on cue! :lol:
 
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PirateMk1 said:
You seem awfully bitter for someone who doesn't know me or my family or how we raise children. Just because I support AP now all the sudden I am a child abuse supporter. Why don't we jut call that what it is, hyperbole.
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Clearly

I will tell you right now I have it easier and better than most parents because of that family and the collective knowledge we have. I am ever grateful for it. It is a special family one you don't see all the time.
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Yes, you've told us many times just in this thread, you're very special. You're so special, it's okay for you to advocate child abuse. We got that.
 
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Henrin said:
You might have noticed that he provided no evidence that it works. All he said is that they do this and they have less crime. His statement means nothing by itself.
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Would you care to provide another explanation?

Would you care to explain how wasting billions of dollars each year on frivolous incarceration helps anything whatsoever from a socio-political perspective?
 
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Gathomas88 said:
Annnnnd up go the ideological blinders, right on cue! :lol:
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That's not ideological blindness, that's the actual purpose of the justice system as opposed to your perverted revenge machine view.

Your revenge seeking does not justify the existence of society.
 
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Yeah I got spanked, a lot, don't see anything wrong with it.

Beating of course is a whole different issue.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

ecofarm said:
That's not ideological blindness, that's the actual purpose of the justice system as opposed to your perverted revenge machine.
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Blather on all you want, Eco. It won't change the facts. :lol:

The reality of the situation is that our current justice system is a glorified "revenge machine."

Should that be different? Perhaps.

However, even within the "revenge" centric model, the simple fact of the matter is that there are far more efficient methods available than the "zero-tolerance and incarceration" approach with which the contemporary United States seems to be so enamored.
 
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Gathomas88 said:
The reality of the situation is that our current justice system is a glorified "revenge machine."
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Only in your tiny little self centered worldview. As long as you believe sociology is a scam, you will never have a sociological view of anything.
 
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spare the rod spoil the child, I'll say again.

That's the problem with society nowadays too many passive aggressive people who think they've got a moat built around them.

Stems from childhood "Time outs" instead of a rap on the ass with a yardstick...
 
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ecofarm said:
Only in your tiny little self centered worldview. As long as you believe sociology is a scam, you will never have a sociological view of anything.
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In that regard, I consider myself fortunate. :lol:
 
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Gathomas88 said:
In that regard, I consider myself fortunate. :lol:
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You consider your anti-intellectualism a blessing, how cute.
 
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Henrin said:
Sure we do. The proper term is guardian. Parents are the defenders and protectors of their children. They have the responsibility to keep them safe and well cared for. A parent that hits their children is failing at their duty to keep their children safe and to protect them from harm. They are someone that is unworthy of the title of guardian. They are like the military man that says he is there to protect and serve, but kills innocents in the field. He is a terrible guardian of men, like a man that hits his children is a terrible guardian of children.
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Guardian is not all a parent is and does not begin to encompass the level of responsibility required to execute said duties. Protection is just but one function of a myriad of them. I use a paddle on my children for discipline when I deem it necessary. Is that a failure of my duty or is that me fulfilling my duties?

Your military analogy doesn't work. They are beholden to certain masters, those masters may deem it necessary to attack civilians of an enemy for very valid reasons, amongst those they are providing material support such a manufacturing munitions and such.
 
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Gathomas88 said:
*Snicker* Yea... "Intellectualism." That's what you're preaching, alright.
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Did you skip sociology during homeschooling because it's just a scam?
 
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ecofarm said:
Did you skip sociology during homeschooling because it's just a scam?
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If your arguments are indicative of the kind of thinking study in the field is likely to produce, I would strongly encourage others to do the same.

Soft non-objective science breeds soft non-objective minds, I'm afraid.
 
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ecofarm said:
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Yes, you've told us many times just in this thread, you're very special. You're so special, it's okay for you to advocate child abuse. We got that.
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So why are you even engaging me on this thread? Apparently, I advocate for child abuse, not that you can prove that, but why bother. It seems to annoy you for some reason. If your jealous of my family don't be we take in stays all the time. Your welcome to join.
 
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PirateMk1 said:
If your jealous of my family don't be we take in stays all the time. Your welcome to join.
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By family do you mean gang?
 
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Gathomas88 said:
If your arguments are indicative of the kind of thinking study in the field is likely to produce, I would strongly encourage others to do the same.

Soft non-objective science breeds soft non-objective minds, I'm afraid.
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You only rail against sociology because it counters ignorant viewpoints.
 
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Kreton said:
You can go back and read your own posts. You have pages of them on here.
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You said I beat children, further you said, I said it. So prove it. Where oh where are these pages of me saying I beat my children or children in general. I bet you cant and further if anyone on this thread or for that matter any other thread cant find a post where I say that. Hell find one of me advocating the beating of children. You and eco need to cool the jets, your burning yourselves out.
 
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Goshin said:
A controlled and carefully administered spanking is a useful tool in the parental toolbox for certain types of serious misbehavior, and is appropriate if applied properly... and sparingly.
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Me too. It sure wasn't anything I took pleasure in but sometimes it was necessary. I've been sitting here recalling the times I had to spank and they were few. Like the time my son 8, attached a pulley system up high in a large maple tree in the front yard and tide the rope off on the neighbor's fence making a type of zip line. Bent the heck out of the neighbor's fence. Or the time he used post hole diggers to create an 18 hole gulf course in our backyard. His buddy's dad had given him a set of old golf clubs so the boys opened up for business charging the kids in the neighborhood 25 cents a game and took out a basement window. Then there were times like riding their bikes out in the street when told to stay on the sidewalk and darn near got hit by a car. And the time my daughter lied to me (9) telling me she didn't have any homework and when progress reports came out and the news wasn't good, instead of bringing it home she dropped it in the mailbox on the corner. The mailman made sure I got it. I don't recall spanking after the age of 10. And the spanking was done with a paddle on the butt. Punishment was swift and over. A paddling is not a beating. What I do find abusive is the parent that screams at their kids, calling them names and carrying on like out of control idiots. God Almighty I wish there was a mute button to push to shut them the hell up.
 
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