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Parents: Punishing Kids [W:361]

is it ever allowable for a Parent to punish their child with force?

  • Yes

    Votes: 43 68.3%

  • No

    Votes: 12 19.0%

  • Other (explain)

    Votes: 8 12.7%
  • Total voters
    63
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

Black Dog said:
You made a statement based on an untrue premise, which led to a flawed conclusion.

All I did was point out your claim of it being "common sense" was unfounded.
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Really, just beat that dead horse. Using common sense when disciplining your children is not unfounded. And from the get go I said not to use a weapon.
Other wise quote me exactly and how it differs from that and what I was responding to. Otherwise you are doing the usual and making the topic about a poster and not the issue.
You do that when your argument is weak and basically stupid.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Really, just beat that dead horse. Using common sense when disciplining your children is not unfounded. And from the get go I said not to use a weapon.
Other wise quote me exactly and how it differs from that and what I was responding to. Otherwise you are doing the usual and making the topic about a poster and not the issue.
You do that when your argument is weak and basically stupid.
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That has nothing to do with why you said what you said in your initial post. You are now trying to save face, I understand that but it is unnecessary. I already pointed out why you were wrong. If you want to continue to rant about it thats OK, but it does not change why you posted what you did.

Now we need to move on as we are just distracting from the OP.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

Black Dog said:
That has nothing to do with why you said what you said in your initial post. You are now trying to save face, I understand that but it is unnecessary. I already pointed out why you were wrong. If you want to continue to rant about it thats OK, but it does not change why you posted what you did.

Now we need to move on as we are just distracting from the OP.
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I said quote me. Quote a "rant" as well as I have not "ranted". Only made the observation that anyone that does what Peterson did is a loser. Let me quess, you are trying to justify beating the hell out of your kids.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
I said quote me. Quote a "rant" as well as I have not "ranted". Only made the observation that anyone that does what Peterson did is a loser. Let me quess, you are trying to justify beating the hell out of your kids.
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I said nothing about anyone "ranting" except for your defense of saying force does not mean spanking, but it does. And now you are going to try and make the subject about me with your ad hominem "you are trying to justify beating the hell out of your kids.."

The thread is not about me or my children. You might want to actually read what I said before making asinine accusations.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

Henrin said:
Not sure how you can deserve to be assaulted though.
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Sometimes you can earn yourself a beat down. That's not necessarily related to this topic, but yes one can deserve it.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

Black Dog said:
If you want to continue to rant about it thats OK, but it does not change why you posted what you did.

Now we need to move on as we are just distracting from the OP.
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You need further evidence? And you were the one trying to get away from the OP by splitting some hairs about what I said and what I meant in your opinion.
Anyway, how is that child beating going? Working pretty good?
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

CRUE CAB said:
You need further evidence? And you were the one trying to get away from the OP by splitting some hairs about what I said and what I meant in your opinion.
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No I was pointing out you said my statement was invalid because you said...

CRUE CAB said:
We really are not talking "spanking"
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This is reference to my saying force includes all forms of physical punishment.

Which you followed up with...

CRUE CAB said:
Its called common sense. Never use "force" while angry or frustrated. Never use a weapon, I don't care how accepted it was however long ago. Lots of things were accepted "way back" that are not acceptable in todays age.
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So I was not nit picking. You were claiming spanking is force, but it's not. In an effort to somehow disqualify my reasonable post.

CRUE CAB said:
Anyway, how is that child beating going? Working pretty good?
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Having no argument you again resort to ad hominems.

In the arena of debate it is nothing more than saying "I have nothing reasonable to say."
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

Black Dog said:
No I was pointing out you said my statement was invalid because you said...



This is reference to my saying force includes all forms of physical punishment.

Which you followed up with...



So I was not nit picking. You were claiming spanking is force, but it's not. In an effort to somehow disqualify my reasonable post.



Having no argument you again resort to ad hominems.

In the arena of debate it is nothing more than saying "I have nothing reasonable to say."
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Said all the reasonable things I need to. Where is this all coming from? Oh, yea. Peterson beating his kid with a switch. Not an open hand, but a weapon.
You wish to split hairs about spanking and beating. Sounds like justifying.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

CRUE CAB said:
Said all the reasonable things I need to. Where is this all coming from? Oh, yea. Peterson beating his kid with a switch. Not an open hand, but a weapon.
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You wish to split hairs about spanking and beating. Sounds like justifying.[/QUOTE]

Well I guess to a mind that is pretty much incapable of recognizing the difference between abuse and physical discipline, yea. I can see it now...

Teen arrested for snapping towle in locker room.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

Black Dog said:
You wish to split hairs about spanking and beating. Sounds like justifying.
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Well I guess to a mind that is pretty much incapable of recognizing the difference between abuse and physical discipline, yea. I can see it now...

Teen arrested for snapping towle in locker room.[/QUOTE]Sounds like more justifying. Oh, and we are not talking teens in locker rooms. Try to stay on subject. No strawmen needed.
 
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Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

CRUE CAB said:
Sounds like more justifying. Oh, and we are not talking teens in locker rooms. Try to stay on subject. No strawmen needed.
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Actually it is. A teen (kid) using a weapon (towel) to inflict physical pain on another kid. Yes it is dead on.

Might want to look up straw man. :mrgreen:
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

Black Dog said:
Actually it is. A teen (kid) using a weapon (towel) to inflict physical pain on another kid. Yes it is dead on.

Might want to look up straw man. :mrgreen:
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Highschool hijinx. Wow, throw the book at him.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

CRUE CAB said:
Highschool hijinx. Wow, throw the book at him.
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That is exactly what you are advocating against. He is assaulting a child with a weapon. You know the reason the towel snaps? It is the tip reaching the speed of sound. Is this not a painful weapon?
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

Black Dog said:
No problem with spanking at all. Never had to spank my daughter though. Now I and my brothers were a different story. 3 boys close in age and well, it was hairy at times, lol. Switches, belts and the bane of children everywhere the good old Hot Wheel track. We needed it though, we did not really respond to threats or silly punishments. I mean it depends on each child.
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My mother in law used to whack my husband and his brothers with the Hot Wheel track. I didn't think anyone else got that!
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

Black Dog said:
That is exactly what you are advocating against. He is assaulting a child with a weapon. You know the reason the towel snaps? It is the tip reaching the speed of sound. Is this not a painful weapon?
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Did he do it as punishment or discipline?
 
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tres borrachos said:
My mother in law used to whack my husband and his brothers with the Hot Wheel track. I didn't think anyone else got that!
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Yea those things are the worst! We started slowly throwing them away one at a time. When they were gone we never asked for Hot Wheels again!
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

CRUE CAB said:
Did he do it as punishment or discipline?
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Irrelevant. If I tell my kid we are going to play the switch game, since it's not discipline or punishment, just a fun game. It's OK with you?
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

Black Dog said:
Irrelevant. If I tell my kid we are going to play the switch game, since it's not discipline or punishment, just a fun game. It's OK with you?
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I suppose as long as he gets to hit you too, but seeing as the OP is not about games or pranks. You seem to be missing the point. Please don't have kids until you figure out the difference.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

CRUE CAB said:
I suppose as long as he gets to hit you too, but seeing as the OP is not about games or pranks. You seem to be missing the point.
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I get the point. I am pointing out the logic failure of your argument.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

Black Dog said:
Yea those things are the worst! We started slowly throwing them away one at a time. When they were gone we never asked for Hot Wheels again!
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When our kids wanted Hot Wheels my husband said "Nuh uh".:2razz: I think he's afraid of them to this day.

Hey, is your daughter an only child? I know you said you never had to spank her. I often wonder if kids in multiples tend to get in trouble more than the singletons.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

tres borrachos said:
When our kids wanted Hot Wheels my husband said "Nuh uh".:2razz: I think he's afraid of them to this day.

Hey, is your daughter an only child? I know you said you never had to spank her. I often wonder if kids in multiples tend to get in trouble more than the singletons.
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I think they absolutely do.

When they are together they come up with stuff only one doesn't.

One can convince the other to do things they wouldn't normally do.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

tres borrachos said:
When our kids wanted Hot Wheels my husband said "Nuh uh".:2razz: I think he's afraid of them to this day.

Hey, is your daughter an only child? I know you said you never had to spank her. I often wonder if kids in multiples tend to get in trouble more than the singletons.
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It's not that. She was just a pretty well balanced and behaved girl. Besides I could never hit my baby girls, including my wife. My wife however did spank here one time for mouthing off. I think it caught us both off guard as mom is pretty even keeled. She never mouthed off again, lol.

But yea I agree groups are worse.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

Black Dog said:
It's not that. She was just a pretty well balanced and behaved girl. Besides I could never hit my baby girls, including my wife. My wife however did spank here one time for mouthing off. I think it caught us both off guard as mom is pretty even keeled. She never mouthed off again, lol.

But yea I agree groups are worse.
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My father never spanked me. My mother did. My father held the opinion that no man should hit a woman, even a naughty daughter.
 
Re: Parents: Punishing Kids

Black Dog said:
Some guy trying to do that to an adult is completely ridiculous. Children and adults have different perspectives. Trying to compare a disciplinary spanking of a child to an assault on an adult is nonsense.
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How do you figure that?

OK please post the scientific results that say spanking (not abuse) causes psychological damage. Spanking is not abuse if done correctly for the right reasons.
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Google "does spanking cause psychological trauma" and you will get tons of evidence that it in fact does.

The right reasons? The only right reasons are inside peoples minds. There is no such thing as the right reasons to assault someone in the real world.

:roll:
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Yes, it should have died out centuries ago. The fact that it hasn't is a failure of the human race to grow and move past barbaric idiocy.
 
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