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Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

Should the US Arm & Train the Syrian Rebels?


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Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

Today, Congress is determining if we should give funds to Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels. So that they can fight ISIS. The Problem is the Syrian Rebels are not able to be trusted. They have used Chems and all they care about is removing Assad. Even their top commanders are all for a government that would be acceptable With Sharia Law.

They will say and do anything to get backing and assistance.....they have also pledged against the US. At least 29 opposition groups. While it is understandable to have the need to take on ISIS. This is a mistake waiting to Happen. What say ye?
 
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Today, Congress is determining if we should give funds to Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels. So that they can fight ISIS. The Problem is the Syrian Rebels are not able to be trusted. They have used Chems and all they care about is removing Assad. Even their top commanders are all for a government that would be acceptable With Sharia Law.

They will say and do anything to get backing and assistance.....they have also pledged against the US. At least 29 opposition groups. While it is understandable to have the need to take on ISIS. This is a mistake waiting to Happen. What say ye?

No - what would be the US response if a foreign nation armed or financially supported "rebel groups" inside the US? Do many not object to Putin doing just that in the Ukraine?
 
No - what would be the US response if a foreign nation armed or financially supported "rebel groups" inside the US? Do many not object to Putin doing just that in the Ukraine?

Mornin' Ttwtt :2wave: .....I am with you on not arming and training them. These guys are nothing more than some Sunni Thugs. Even when Assad kicked their ass. They would turn around and go after the Christians inside Syria. Burning down their Churches and going after their people. All due to losing and getting that can of whoop ass thrown upon them.

Moreover they were all talking **** about the US and that they didn't want intervention. At least 29 groups. The Syrian Rebels are backed by the MB, Qatar and the Saud. Even with all the Saudi money in the world.....their incompetent and worthless. Plus they only want to cause more problems with that Sectarian divide.
 
Today, Congress is determining if we should give funds to Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels. So that they can fight ISIS. The Problem is the Syrian Rebels are not able to be trusted. They have used Chems and all they care about is removing Assad. Even their top commanders are all for a government that would be acceptable With Sharia Law.

They will say and do anything to get backing and assistance.....they have also pledged against the US. At least 29 opposition groups. While it is understandable to have the need to take on ISIS. This is a mistake waiting to Happen. What say ye?

No - we tried this before and all we ended up doing was arming outfits like ISIS anyways. Besides, I'm still very confused why we are trying to fight a battle on two fronts in Syria, one against ISIS and the other against Assad. I really wish we'd let the Assad thing go, if anything this whole situation has taught us, it's better to have the asshole dictators in their to keep control so that organizations like MB and ISIS to take over.

Besides, how we going to make sure the weapons don't go into the wrong hands... have them promise on the Quran not to give the weapons to the bad guys?
 
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No, you want something done right ya do it yourself.

1 month all out operation, destroy everything related to ISIS, destroy/confiscate all weaponry in the area including: artillery, vehicles with mounted weapons, guns, munitions.

And just get out.

The best they can do at that point is hit each other with sticks and stones like they hit their women... Animals.

As for Syria, Assad should be our friend.

Enough of my ranting anyways.
 
Well no, of course we shouldn't, but then we've been doing it all along. The CIA has had training camps in Jordan and Turkey for the Assad opposition forces already.
 
No - we tried this before and all we ended up doing was arming outfits like ISIS anyways. Besides, I'm still very confused why we are trying to fight a battle on two fronts in Syria, one against ISIS and the other against Assad. I really wish we'd let the Assad thing go, if anything this whole situation has taught us, it's better to have the asshole dictators in their to keep control so that organizations like MB and ISIS to take over.

Besides, how we going to make sure the weapons don't go into the wrong hands... have them promise on the Quran not to give the weapons to the bad guys?

Funny you've argued with me over this so much. Oh well, glad you've come around to acknowledge what I've pointed out all along. The ME would be in far better shape with Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad in power. They all did a FAR better job of containing militant Islamic groups.
 
Mornin' Ttwtt :2wave: .....I am with you on not arming and training them. These guys are nothing more than some Sunni Thugs. Even when Assad kicked their ass. They would turn around and go after the Christians inside Syria. Burning down their Churches and going after their people. All due to losing and getting that can of whoop ass thrown upon them.

Moreover they were all talking **** about the US and that they didn't want intervention. At least 29 groups. The Syrian Rebels are backed by the MB, Qatar and the Saud. Even with all the Saudi money in the world.....their incompetent and worthless. Plus they only want to cause more problems with that Sectarian divide.

We, as a nation, must not fall into doing what Putin is doing - a coalition of nations fighting nations is far different than pretending that a war can be fought inside a nation but not against that nation. The Obama notion that terrorists can be "managed" (without a declaration of war) yet that we "lack resources" to even secure our own border is simply insane. If it takes 3K troops to fight 2K Ebola cases then it surely would take a lot more to fight 30K ISIS cases.
 
Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

Today, Congress is determining if we should give funds to Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels. So that they can fight ISIS. The Problem is the Syrian Rebels are not able to be trusted. They have used Chems and all they care about is removing Assad. Even their top commanders are all for a government that would be acceptable With Sharia Law.

They will say and do anything to get backing and assistance.....they have also pledged against the US. At least 29 opposition groups. While it is understandable to have the need to take on ISIS. This is a mistake waiting to Happen. What say ye?

No, we shouldn't. History has shown none of these tribal groups can be trusted. It's the history of their people. They would sell their Mothers into prostitution if it got the right return on their investment. I certainly don't understand such a mindset, but it certainly seems to be the case.

If we train and arm the rebels, they will most certainly be our enemies down the road. Not sure how many more examples we need to understand this reality.

A campaign of annihilation via our superior technology is the only thing I can see that should be used against this I-bola plague.
 
No - we tried this before and all we ended up doing was arming outfits like ISIS anyways. Besides, I'm still very confused why we are trying to fight a battle on two fronts in Syria, one against ISIS and the other against Assad. I really wish we'd let the Assad thing go, if anything this whole situation has taught us, it's better to have the asshole dictators in their to keep control so that organizations like MB and ISIS to take over.

Besides, how we going to make sure the weapons don't go into the wrong hands... have them promise on the Quran not to give the weapons to the bad guys?



Its clear we cannot prevent these MB backed Rebels/Terrorists from giving weapons to others.....they gave weapons to al Nusra and did so the whole time we were arming them.

Now check this out with what al Nusra has done. They are associated to the MB backed Syrian Rebels.....also AQ and Now ISIS.



Syrian rebels seize UN weapons in the Golan: ambassador.....

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Syrian rebels linked to Al-Qaeda have seized UN weapons, uniforms and vehicles from peacekeepers in the Golan and set up a "safe zone" to wage attacks, the Syrian ambassador said Tuesday. The United Nations on Monday was forced to pull back hundreds of peacekeepers to the Israeli-occupied sector of the Golan after Syrian rebels advanced on their positions.

Syrian Ambassador Bashar Jaafari said fighters from Al-Nusra "had succeeded in occupying all of the Syrian side" of the Golan, driving out the troops from the UN Disengagement Observer Force (UNDOF). "The terrorists are now using United Nations cars, which hold the emblem of the United Nations forces in the Golan. They are using the uniform of the UNDOF, the weapons of UNDOF, the positions of UNDOR to shell on the Syrian army as well as on the civilians in villages," Jaafari told reporters. Jaafari accused Israel, Qatar and Jordan of being behind a "very big plot" to destabilize Syria by letting the Syrian rebels take control of part of the buffer to set up a "safe zone" from where it can wage attacks.....snip~

Syrian rebels seize UN weapons in the Golan: ambassador

These MB backed Syrian Rebels can't be trusted.....al Nusra does their heavy fighting. Both Republicans and Democrats need to say no funding.
 
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Funny you've argued with me over this so much. Oh well, glad you've come around to acknowledge what I've pointed out all along. The ME would be in far better shape with Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad in power. They all did a FAR better job of containing militant Islamic groups.

You know what they say, fool me once (Iraq) shame on you. Fool me twice (Lybia, Syria, Lebanon) shame on me. Though I'm surprised you didn't know this already, I changed my view on this around ... feels like a year ago or something. Oh well. *shrugs* I think in the past I had a much more optimistic view on humanity in general, and figured we all wanted sort of the same thing.

Its clear we cannot prevent these MB backed Rebels/Terrorists from giving weapons to others.....they gave weapons to al Nusra and did so the whole time we were arming them.

Now check this out with what al Nusra has done. They are associated to the MB backed Syrian Rebels.....also AQ and Now ISIS.



Syrian rebels seize UN weapons in the Golan: ambassador.....

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Syrian rebels linked to Al-Qaeda have seized UN weapons, uniforms and vehicles from peacekeepers in the Golan and set up a "safe zone" to wage attacks, the Syrian ambassador said Tuesday. The United Nations on Monday was forced to pull back hundreds of peacekeepers to the Israeli-occupied sector of the Golan after Syrian rebels advanced on their positions.

Syrian Ambassador Bashar Jaafari said fighters from Al-Nusra "had succeeded in occupying all of the Syrian side" of the Golan, driving out the troops from the UN Disengagement Observer Force (UNDOF). "The terrorists are now using United Nations cars, which hold the emblem of the United Nations forces in the Golan. They are using the uniform of the UNDOF, the weapons of UNDOF, the positions of UNDOR to shell on the Syrian army as well as on the civilians in villages," Jaafari told reporters. Jaafari accused Israel, Qatar and Jordan of being behind a "very big plot" to destabilize Syria by letting the Syrian rebels take control of part of the buffer to set up a "safe zone" from where it can wage attacks.....snip~

Syrian rebels seize UN weapons in the Golan: ambassador

These MB backed Syrian Rebels can't be trusted.....al Nusra does their heavy fighting. Both Republicans and Democrats need to say no funding.

Further proof in the effectiveness of UN Peacekeepers...
 
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There's only one way to deal with an org. like ISIS - cut off the heads and keep cutting them off every time they get replaced. Start a deliberate, intentional and PUBLIC campaign of going out and killing any person in any leadership position, starting with the highest ranking people and financiers. No, I'm not suggesting that we do this, just stating that this is the only tactic that will work. Killing the rank and file soldiers is a waste of resources, since if they have no leadership, no paycheck and understand that if they get promoted, they get killed, they'll fade back to their homes. What we could do is to start at the top and kill our way down the chain of command until the org. collapses and make it very public as we do it. Again, I'm not stating that we should do this, just that this is the only way to attack an org. like this.
 
There's only one way to deal with an org. like ISIS - cut off the heads and keep cutting them off every time they get replaced. Start a deliberate, intentional and PUBLIC campaign of going out and killing any person in any leadership position, starting with the highest ranking people and financiers. No, I'm not suggesting that we do this, just stating that this is the only tactic that will work. Killing the rank and file soldiers is a waste of resources, since if they have no leadership, no paycheck and understand that if they get promoted, they get killed, they'll fade back to their homes. What we could do is to start at the top and kill our way down the chain of command until the org. collapses and make it very public as we do it. Again, I'm not stating that we should do this, just that this is the only way to attack an org. like this.

Or just keep on supporting the militant Islamic groups, as we've done for decades, and ensure job security for the defense contractors and the bloated Pentagon!
 
Hey MMC, 100% in your poll against supporting and training the very untrustworthy militant Islamic groups in Syria! Now we just need that message to reach DC.
 
You know what they say, fool me once (Iraq) shame on you. Fool me twice (Lybia, Syria, Lebanon) shame on me. Though I'm surprised you didn't know this already, I changed my view on this around ... feels like a year ago or something. Oh well. *shrugs* I think in the past I had a much more optimistic view on humanity in general, and figured we all wanted sort of the same thing.



Further proof in the effectiveness of UN Peacekeepers...

Better late then never I suppose.
 
We, as a nation, must not fall into doing what Putin is doing - a coalition of nations fighting nations is far different than pretending that a war can be fought inside a nation but not against that nation. The Obama notion that terrorists can be "managed" (without a declaration of war) yet that we "lack resources" to even secure our own border is simply insane. If it takes 3K troops to fight 2K Ebola cases then it surely would take a lot more to fight 30K ISIS cases.

Yeah 30k in Iraq alone. 50k in Syria. Still its not just our fight. Its everyones. Even Russia and China. All need to be involved.

This could never be managed. These people have to be destroyed. It needs to be done in a way.....that will make them think about that martyrdom and how it doesn't allow them to achieve Paradise or their Heaven. Death by a woman and Death by Fire will assure this.
 
Hey MMC, 100% in your poll against supporting and training the very untrustworthy militant Islamic groups in Syria! Now we just need that message to reach DC.

You should have heard Harry Reid talking about how if thinks it needs to be done. How they have to be funded. It was on the Senate floor too.

Truly they do not even have a clue. Reid's remarks shows he is a Moron. Sounding like one on the Senate floor didn't help. He has no trouble throwing money at this problem.

Lets not forget that BO just gave these so called Rebels 600m back in June or July.
 
Yeah 30k in Iraq alone. 50k in Syria. Still its not just our fight. Its everyones. Even Russia and China. All need to be involved.

This could never be managed. These people have to be destroyed. It needs to be done in a way.....that will make them think about that martyrdom and how it doesn't allow them to achieve Paradise or their Heaven. Death by a woman and Death by Fire will assure this.

Hey MMC, 100% in your poll against supporting and training the very untrustworthy militant Islamic groups in Syria! Now we just need that message to reach DC.

The thing with Russia and China is that ISIS, at this time, isn't a threat to them. And it's not like the US is jumping into help with Russia or China's Islamic problems.

There is also one downfall in choosing not to support the rebels in Syria; if ISIS is going to be defeated, it won't be done by air power alone. There is going to have to be a ground component to this war and that doesn't leave the us a whole lot of options. In Iraq, despite the billions we've spent, it seems their military is not up to fighting ISIS. And in Syria, the only other option in fighting ISIS is to side with Assad, and well know how bad he is. Granted, I did say that it's better off to support dictators than the people in these situations, but history has also shown us what happens when we do this, a la the Shah of Iran. We supported a nasty government there and that came back to blow up in our face. What happens if the Syrian Rebels should eventually take over sometime down the road? Everyone will be (rightfully so) bitching about how we caused the anger towards us, just as we did with the Shah and to a lesser extent, Mubarak in Egypt.

Is it too late to just glass the entire ME?
 
The thing with Russia and China is that ISIS, at this time, isn't a threat to them. And it's not like the US is jumping into help with Russia or China's Islamic problems.

There is also one downfall in choosing not to support the rebels in Syria; if ISIS is going to be defeated, it won't be done by air power alone. There is going to have to be a ground component to this war and that doesn't leave the us a whole lot of options. In Iraq, despite the billions we've spent, it seems their military is not up to fighting ISIS. And in Syria, the only other option in fighting ISIS is to side with Assad, and well know how bad he is. Granted, I did say that it's better off to support dictators than the people in these situations, but history has also shown us what happens when we do this, a la the Shah of Iran. We supported a nasty government there and that came back to blow up in our face. What happens if the Syrian Rebels should eventually take over sometime down the road? Everyone will be (rightfully so) bitching about how we caused the anger towards us, just as we did with the Shah and to a lesser extent, Mubarak in Egypt.

Is it too late to just glass the entire ME?


Well, General Dempsey told Congress and BO it may require troops on the ground in Iraq. Thats even with the Kurds and Iraqis fighting them. Let Assad deal with whats in Syria. These Syrian Rebels were just about to be finished. Then they would be out and its Assad taking on ISIS. Anything gets to be to much for Assad. He can have Russia and China come and help him out.

The Coalition can mop them up in Iraq and then The Border to Syria needs to be covered.
 
Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

No, we shouldn't. History has shown none of these tribal groups can be trusted. It's the history of their people. They would sell their Mothers into prostitution if it got the right return on their investment. I certainly don't understand such a mindset, but it certainly seems to be the case.

If we train and arm the rebels, they will most certainly be our enemies down the road. Not sure how many more examples we need to understand this reality.

A campaign of annihilation via our superior technology is the only thing I can see that should be used against this I-bola plague.



Mornin 515. :2wave: Whats worse is BO and his teaming knowing that over half of the Syrian Rebels Pledged against the us. Which they did this Right after BO peep was elected. In December of 2012. So BO acting like he doesn't know anything and asking for money for them.....is a crock of ****.
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Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group
Rebel groups across Syria are defying the United States by pledging their allegiance to a group that Washington will designate today a terrorist organization for its alleged links to al-Qaeda
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A total of 29 opposition groups, including fighting "brigades" and civilian committees, have signed a petition calling for mass demonstrations in support of Jabhat al-Nusra, an Islamist group which the White House believes is an offshoot of al-Qaeda in Iraq.

The petition is promoting the slogan "No to American intervention, for we are all Jabhat al-Nusra" and urges supporters to "raise the Jabhat al-Nusra flag" as a "thank you". Although Jabhat al-Nusra remains separate from the Free Syrian Army, many FSA leaders now recognise its strength and order their forces to cooperate with it.....snip~

Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group - Telegraph
 
Well, General Dempsey told Congress and BO it may require troops on the ground in Iraq. Thats even with the Kurds and Iraqis fighting them. Let Assad deal with whats in Syria. These Syrian Rebels were just about to be finished. Then they would be out and its Assad taking on ISIS. Anything gets to be to much for Assad. He can have Russia and China come and help him out.

The Coalition can mop them up in Iraq and then The Border to Syria needs to be covered.

What's sad is that I feel like this was an opportunity for Obama to do something extraordinary, a rare oppurtunity for a turning point in our relations with the ME. When I heard about the coalition, I imagined the US forming an alliance between former adversaries Syria and Iran, together with Iraq, and perhaps even adding in Russia (support of Syria) to crush ISIS. It would be a chance to build some bridges between former enemies to go out and take on the greater threat that we all share. I'm an idealist though, an optimist, and probably that was too much to ask for. If we are going to be fighting ISIS, to me, it only makes sense for us to not be weakening out Strategic Partner in Syria by forcing them to continue to fight on two fronts.
 
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Mornin 515. :2wave: Whats worse is BO and his teaming knowing that over half of the Syrian Rebels Pledged against the us. Which they did this Right after BO peep was elected. In December of 2012. So BO acting like he doesn't know anything and asking for money for them.....is a crock of ****.
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Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group
Rebel groups across Syria are defying the United States by pledging their allegiance to a group that Washington will designate today a terrorist organization for its alleged links to al-Qaeda
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10:03PM GMT 10 Dec 2012 <<<<< !


A total of 29 opposition groups, including fighting "brigades" and civilian committees, have signed a petition calling for mass demonstrations in support of Jabhat al-Nusra, an Islamist group which the White House believes is an offshoot of al-Qaeda in Iraq.

The petition is promoting the slogan "No to American intervention, for we are all Jabhat al-Nusra" and urges supporters to "raise the Jabhat al-Nusra flag" as a "thank you". Although Jabhat al-Nusra remains separate from the Free Syrian Army, many FSA leaders now recognise its strength and order their forces to cooperate with it.....snip~

Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group - Telegraph

Good morning my friend

My "address" to the country would have been very different than BO. About 3-4 minutes. Basically, ISIL, you're over. Stick your head above the sand, it will be vaporized. Wave a flag, you're a new crater. Supporters of ISIL? You're done. Get your affairs in order, the camel train is leaving the oasis with you in baskets, or in jars. Countries supporting ISIL? Have a nice life, we're done with you. Innocents? Kill ISIL, or please accept our apologies for you and your families deaths. We tried to avoid you, but crap happens. Countries objecting to our actions? Too bad. We're the US, it pays to be a badass superpower.
God bless America, wave bye-bye ISIL.

Anything short of the above is a farce in my opinion. I've read a number of books authored by veterans from the war in Afghanistan and Iraq, and their accounts prove to me that there is no honor among thieves. These are people from a galaxy far away, a land that time forgot. We need to tell them to keep their efforts to accept evolutions plan effort to removed from the gene pool to themselves, or we will give mother nature a hand.
 
What's sad is that I feel like this was an opportunity for Obama to do something extraordinary, a rare oppurtunity for a turning point in our relations with the ME. When I heard about the coalition, I imagined the US forming an alliance between former adversaries Syria and Iran, together with Iraq, and perhaps even adding in Russia (support of Syria) to crush ISIS. It would be a chance to build some bridges between former enemies to go out and take on the greater threat that we all share. I'm an idealist though, an optimist, and probably that was too much to ask for. If we are going to be fighting ISIS, to me, it only makes sense for us to not be weakening out Strategic Partner in Syria by forcing them to continue to fight on two fronts.



Russia's planes to Iraq have helped the Iraqis. They are slow moving and designed to take on ground troops. Already they have been used and are hurting ISIS. Then there is the Air Strikes by us.

Already the one main branch of the Syrian Rebels and with the most fighters 25k. (alleged and greatly reduced) Has now made an Alliance with ISIS. Yet this is who BO wants to give weapons too.

Also in this Coalition BO has given arms to Lebanon. Hellfire Missiles.....this to, is a major mistake. Now Hezbollah will use hellfire missiles on Israel. Not to mention Iran will get one.....so that it can be reversed engineered. Big time mistake by BO and his Team.

I can understanding wanting a coalition. But not giving to a government that arms terrorists.
 
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Good morning my friend

My "address" to the country would have been very different than BO. About 3-4 minutes. Basically, ISIL, you're over. Stick your head above the sand, it will be vaporized. Wave a flag, you're a new crater. Supporters of ISIL? You're done. Get your affairs in order, the camel train is leaving the oasis with you in baskets, or in jars. Countries supporting ISIL? Have a nice life, we're done with you. Innocents? Kill ISIL, or please accept our apologies for you and your families deaths. We tried to avoid you, but crap happens. Countries objecting to our actions? Too bad. We're the US, it pays to be a badass superpower.
God bless America, wave bye-bye ISIL.

Anything short of the above is a farce in my opinion. I've read a number of books authored by veterans from the war in Afghanistan and Iraq, and their accounts prove to me that there is no honor among thieves. These are people from a galaxy far away, a land that time forgot. We need to tell them to keep their efforts to accept evolutions plan effort to removed from the gene pool to themselves, or we will give mother nature a hand.


As you can see.....BO has known about them for quite some time. Now he wants to give money to these madmen. Both Democrats and Repubs want to fund them caring only about removing Assad.

The Sunni want Syria.....that's the bottomline. Syrian Rebels, means nothing. As the other Syrians aren't to interested in Sunni Rule and Governance.
 
The thing with Russia and China is that ISIS, at this time, isn't a threat to them. And it's not like the US is jumping into help with Russia or China's Islamic problems.

There is also one downfall in choosing not to support the rebels in Syria; if ISIS is going to be defeated, it won't be done by air power alone. There is going to have to be a ground component to this war and that doesn't leave the us a whole lot of options. In Iraq, despite the billions we've spent, it seems their military is not up to fighting ISIS. And in Syria, the only other option in fighting ISIS is to side with Assad, and well know how bad he is. Granted, I did say that it's better off to support dictators than the people in these situations, but history has also shown us what happens when we do this, a la the Shah of Iran. We supported a nasty government there and that came back to blow up in our face. What happens if the Syrian Rebels should eventually take over sometime down the road? Everyone will be (rightfully so) bitching about how we caused the anger towards us, just as we did with the Shah and to a lesser extent, Mubarak in Egypt.

Is it too late to just glass the entire ME?

Glassing the entire ME has NEVER been an option! Defeating the Islamic State, is not truly desired, or possible. President Assad allowed a certain amount of Western culture and was quite tolerant of Christians. Just still waiting for rational policy in the ME.
 
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