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Basic Truths

Basic truths we all agree on (feel free to vote on more than one truth)

  • Criminals need to go to jail and serve their time.

    Votes: 16 51.6%
  • Once we are born, life has undeniably begun

    Votes: 24 77.4%
  • Nukes should be used as a last option, if an option at all.

    Votes: 23 74.2%
  • The national debt is rising, and should be falling

    Votes: 19 61.3%
  • Earth is important, and destroying it should be avoided.

    Votes: 26 83.9%
  • People who are capable of working (mentally, physically) should be working or trying to find work.

    Votes: 21 67.7%

  • Total voters
    31
There are no "truths" there...opinions only.

and "once we are born, life has begun"? What are you trying to say? That a fetus is not "living"?

my friend, fruit continues to live long after it has been picked, and there is "life" in a chicken egg.

"The inference is 'doesn't begin until'"

If that is your position, than I don't see it as rational. It strikes more of fear, but fear of what is not clear to me. It was a simple sentence that you are somehow afraid of acknowledging as true. The others are subjective, but this one is so blatantly obvious you have to spend a lot of time transmogrifying it to interpret is as some kind of assertion that life count not begin sooner than birth.

But hey, it takes all kinds...

So if I don't agree with you, it's just contrariness, not because of any rational reasons? :catapult:

Id like to clarify if i can. I simply mean that no matter your belief, when you are born, you are alive. If you are alive before that is certainly up to debate but once you are born you are a living, breathing human being. The reason i posted this is (as most of you guessed) as a base line for abortion, but more specifically an article i read about doctors suggesting post-birth abortions (they preferred that term to infanticide) based on the technicality that the children were both not fully developed and were basically identical to a fetus so they could still be considered not alive. This article was 2 years old when i found it so it is certainly not a new idea but it did shock me. This of course defies my logic of birth being the very basis of life however i wanted to see if people agreed with me. That might sound opinion-based of me, and i will accept that perhaps part of it is.
 
On a less philosophical note, the national debt needs to come down from where it is now, but it definitely should not come down to zero.
 
The last one is too vague for me to agree on.

Capable of work can mean anything. A 15 year old is able to work, doesn't mean they should have to. Neither should stay-at-home wives or senior citizens. Working is based on "need" and that alone. If the individual doesn't need to, then they're free leave that position open for someone that is in the opposite situation.
 
criminals - much is wrong with our justice system, including sentencing

once we are born - criteria for what constitutes life is not precisely know. Some exit the womb without a heartbeat are effectively "born dead," and some of those are saved

national debt falling - the cut backs and impact on our lives, access to education, retirement, medicare, the military, all would be quite severe if a serious attempt was made to bring it to 0

people who are capable of working - if someone wants to opt out of the rat race, that is their choice and it's no business of mine to tell others how to live
 
The last one is too vague for me to agree on.

Capable of work can mean anything. A 15 year old is able to work, doesn't mean they should have to. Neither should stay-at-home wives or senior citizens. Working is based on "need" and that alone. If the individual doesn't need to, then they're free leave that position open for someone that is in the opposite situation.

Definitely not true. A number of billionaires still do quite a bit of work, even though they certainly don't have to.
 
Where's the option for "none of the above"? This is because that the only basic truth is: we will all agree to disagree. ;)

I disagree with that statement!
 
Definitely not true. A number of billionaires still do quite a bit of work, even though they certainly don't have to.

I was speaking in terms of normal people, billionaires (and millionaires) are a whole different ball game, but you are correct.
 
None of those are truths...
 
I was speaking in terms of normal people, billionaires (and millionaires) are a whole different ball game, but you are correct.

Billionaires are normal people... they are not normal wealth.
 
...but correct.

No, normal people are not capable of building billion dollar fortunes.

You were incorrect from the start, it's not complicated. If you want to keep making it complicated though, that's on you.
 
No, normal people are not capable of building billion dollar fortunes.

You were incorrect from the start, it's not complicated. If you want to keep making it complicated though, that's on you.

That is the problem with your argument... they are normal people. They are not normal at aquiring wealth. Normal people has nothing to do with wealth until you make wealth the point of the argument.
 
People who are capable of working (mentally, physically) should be working or trying to find work.

In the 2015 American economy, one must also be employable and this is where is gets complicated. Tragically there are some people who simply cannot get a job.

- Ex-offenders. This includes those who were never convicted of crimes as simply having an arrest record with charges dropped can keep someone from getting hired, let alone those who were actually guilty, served time and are trying to turn their lives around. For this reason I support laws that make most criminal records private once time has been served unless the job requires candidates need a squeaky clean past like dealing with kids, handling money, etc. and the employer only needs to verify particular criminal pasts related to the position.

- Under-educated. Face it, some people come from screwed up homes growing up and this dysfunction is manifest in some kids having an inferior education because their parents did not offer the needed home environment for the kid to do well in school. Employers want to and have the right to hire the best qualified applicant. This means some people will never get hired.

- In adequate socialization. See above. Some people don't get the fact that volatile tempers, a lack of respect for authority, not realizing there's a time and place for everything can lead to sexual harassment complaints, being on time matters, etc. can keep you from maintaining a job.
 
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