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Is ISIL Islamic?

Is ISIL Islamic

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Yes I would say that they are the extremist, medieval, un-adopted to modern era, group of Islamic fighters, whom have tried their luck by force, to see how far they may go.
 
ecofarm said:
Wait a minute. Westboro being Christian and the Pope being Catholic are kinda different things.
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Kinda like Westboro and ISIL. ;)
 
Manc Skipper said:
Is the DPRK democratic?
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Good question.

No.

The difference is that democracy is succinctly defined, and politically, DPRK is clearly not democratic. On the other hand, Islam [or any religion for that matter] is not clearly defined as the warring factions constantly attempt to define it in their own terms.
 
ecofarm said:
Not at all. It's rather apparent that you take positions from IS and other terrorists. You believe anything they say.
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Anything! Everyone uses propaganda, everyone. But only the foolish would dismiss the reasons they give for hating us, and believe the reasons Bush gave instead. In fact how could Bush, or anybody else for that matter know?
 
ISIL/ISIS/IS is very obviously Islamic.



The fact that they kill Muslims not of their own type or movement is nothing new. THAT's been going on in droves for centuries.
 
Serenity said:
No, it's not. ISIL are extremists who promote/hide behind a radicalised version of Islam.
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I would agree that its radical, no doubt, but it is a part of the Quran, it's just that there are very few that follow those practices. Not unlike the very radical aspects of the Bible that very few practice today, and probably fewer.
 
nota bene said:
Kinda like Westboro and ISIL. ;)
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You also missed it?

Look, ISIS is not to Islam and Westboro to Christianity as the Pope is to Catholicism. I would think that's obvious.
 
Montecresto said:
Anything! Everyone uses propaganda, everyone. But only the foolish would dismiss the reasons they give for hating us, and believe the reasons Bush gave instead. In fact how could Bush, or anybody else for that matter know?
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Keep believing terrorists and regurgitating their narratives, I'm sure they will not lead you astray. Everyone knows they're honest and truthful.
 
upsideguy said:
LOL, he thinks Peter wasn't a pope....

List of popes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: List of Popes
St. Peter, First Pope - Saints & Angels - Catholic Online

Peter is widely considered to be the first Pope of the Catholic Church. Of course, if you are referring to this set of Popes,

http://www.thepopesofficialsite.com/

Then, surely Peter is not amongst them....
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Lol, only if you're Catholic. Peter was a Jew, he practiced Jewish law, kept the Biblical Holy Days, not Catholic holidays, he worshipped on the seventh day, Sabbath, not on the first day Sunday, kept the Biblical dietary laws, and so much more. The Catholic Church, something that didn't arise till long after Peter was dead and gone, would love to make such a claim, so as to place themselves at the starting line, and find legitimacy.
 
ecofarm said:
Keep believing terrorists and regurgitating their narratives, I'm sure they will not lead you astray. Everyone knows they're honest and truthful.
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Tell me hawk, why do terrorists that hate America, hate America. Sense you must be able to read their minds and determine that the many ways that they have articulated it, as recently as the statements in their last beheading, are not true.
 
Montecresto said:
Tell me hawk, why do terrorists that hate America, hate America. Sense you must be able to read their minds and determine that the many ways that they have articulated it, as recently as the statements in their last beheading, are not true.
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They're terrorists, that's why. Of course, you're free to eat their excuses and push their narrative; go head, trust them - that's clearly the smart thing to do.
 
ecofarm said:
They're terrorists, that's why. Of course, you're free to eat their excuses and push their narrative; go head, trust them - that's clearly the smart thing to do.
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I was hoping (against hope) for something profound. Should have known it would be empty. I would think, perhaps not, that you would do a better job articulating your grievances about a particular issue you have, then someone that doesn't know you. I also hoped you could enlighten me on your version of why terrorists hate us, but of course unless they tell you, you can't.
 
Goshin said:
ISIL/ISIS/IS is very obviously Islamic.

The fact that they kill Muslims not of their own type or movement is nothing new. THAT's been going on in droves for centuries.
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Yup. And as Greg Gutfeld said, the "I" in "ISIL/ISIS/IS" doesn't stand for "igloo."
 
nota bene said:
Yup. And as Greg Gutfeld said, the "I" in "ISIL/ISIS/IS" doesn't stand for "igloo."
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This leftist urge to pretend ISIS isn't Islamic reminds me of their similar attempt to pretend socialists aren't really socialists. Just as the ideology behind ISIS is obviously Islam, the ideology behind Hitler and Stalin and Mao et al was socialism. The same leftist silliness that believes no one mean is socialist seems to apply here as well.
 
Montecresto said:
I was hoping (against hope) for something profound. Should have known it would be empty. I would think, perhaps not, that you would do a better job articulating your grievances about a particular issue you have, then someone that doesn't know you. I also hoped you could enlighten me on your version of why terrorists hate us, but of course unless they tell you, you can't.
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Do you not know what a terrorist is? I think they're motivations are rather clear. You can substitute whatever you want and pretend they're just normal people trying to get along, but that's ludicrous. It's clear from whom you get your marching orders. That's your choice, but don't expect others to respect it.
 
Fletch said:
This leftist urge to pretend ISIS isn't Islamic reminds me of their similar attempt to pretend socialists aren't really socialists. Just as the ideology behind ISIS is obviously Islam, the ideology behind Hitler and Stalin and Mao et al was socialism. The same leftist silliness that believes no one mean is socialist seems to apply here as well.
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IS practices a radical form of Islam that is indeed found in the Quran, but practiced by a very small minority of Muslims, in that SENSE, only, is IS not Islam. If there were a group of Christians (believers in Jesus, the messiah) practicing the very violent statutes, judgements and laws of the Old Testament, with the waring against pagans, not unlike radical Islamists war against the infidels, and the stoning to death of those caught in violation of such statutes, judgements and laws, the larger Christian community would flock to the declaration that this group, was in fact, not Christian. And they would be both wrong and right.
 
ecofarm said:
Do you not know what a terrorist is? I think they're motivations are rather clear. You can substitute whatever you want and pretend they're just normal people trying to get along, but that's ludicrous. It's clear from whom you get your marching orders. That's your choice, but don't expect others to respect it.
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Well first, I don't march. And second, if the terrorists motives are clear, articulate them for me. And third, quote me saying that terrorists are "just trying to get along". And fourth. There's very little respect at DP, or any political forum for opposing views, lol, did you think your position was respected here??
 
Montecresto said:
Well first, I don't march. And second, if the terrorists motives are clear, articulate them for me.
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I wouldn't lower myself. Good luck figuring out what motivates terrorists. Perhaps when you have, you'll stop taking marching orders from terrorists.
 
ecofarm said:
I wouldn't lower myself. Good luck figuring out what motivates terrorists. Perhaps when you have, you'll stop taking marching orders from terrorists.
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Aha, I knew you were incapable. Been wasting my time with you, good day Eco.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
1. Your reference says that "Islam means peace" - IIRC, Islam means "submission".

2. ISIL is every bit as Islamic as the Crusaders were mainstream "Christian".
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I would agree. It would seem that saying IS is not Islamic would be both right and wrong. Right in that they look nothing like the whole of Islam around the world, and wrong because what they adhere to, though not practiced by the very overwhelming majority of adherents to the Quran, can nevertheless be found in the Quran.
 
Montecresto said:
Lol, only if you're Catholic. Peter was a Jew, he practiced Jewish law, kept the Biblical Holy Days, not Catholic holidays, he worshipped on the seventh day, Sabbath, not on the first day Sunday, kept the Biblical dietary laws, and so much more. The Catholic Church, something that didn't arise till long after Peter was dead and gone, would love to make such a claim, so as to place themselves at the starting line, and find legitimacy.
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You are making the argument that he should not have been a Pope, not that he was not a Pope. To the Catholics (which I am not), who get to decide who is Pope and who is not, he is considered to be the Rock upon which the church was built; the first Pope. Pope has no meaning, except to Catholics... they created the function. It is an office created by a religion. The office, by definition, is the lineage of Peter, hence he is the first.

I can make an argument that the Rosenbergs should not have been executed for spying. I can not make an argument (well, if I do, it would be a ridiculous one) that they were not executed for spying. Similarly, you really can't make the argument that he wasn't a Pope....and, really what difference does it make? Why would you care if the Catholics consider him a Pope or not?

Of course Peter was a Jew, which was my original point: Peter, the who is widely acknowledged as the first Pope, was a Jew. What is a Christian anyway, but someone that believes that Christ is the Messiah and thus is either a completed Jew or was grafted onto God's promise for his chosen people.
 
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Salafi is an extreme interpretation - but an interpretation nonetheless . I'm not exactly sure what the difference is between Wahhabism ,
but here is a very good article if you care to explore.

It’s being argued that the homicidal operatives of the newly established Islamic State, IS, are an extension of the 18th century’s Saudi/Wahhabi religious and ethnic cleansing movement. Both claim that they are following in the 6th century “Dark Age” footsteps of Prophet Mohammed, “purifying” people by converting them to Salafi (original) Islam and eliminating those who refuse.
Given this history, how do those (Muslims and some non-Muslims) who continue to insist that Islam is a non-violent religion explain IS’s actions-the rampant enslavement and rape of mostly non-Muslim women and burying their husbands and sons alive-to those who argue that Islam has been a repressive and violent religion from its inception?
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Islamic State: Deviants or Extension of Wahhabism? | Sharnoff's Global Views

I like the way they all call each other "terrorists" in Syria ; everybody else is takfiri :roll:
 
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