• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Which of these Indian mascot/team names do you believe to be offensive?

Which of these Indian mascot/team names do you believe to be offensive?

  • Total voters
    16
Cardinal said:
Unless I missed it, I didn't see in either of your links any kind of explanation for the shift in opinion, except for the possibly revealing tidbit that the original poll didn't include Hawaii and, particularly significantly, Alaska.
Click to expand...

What's your point there? I don't think I ever mentioned that they did. My whole point in this is that the native Americans magically went from not caring about this at all, to caring a whole bunch, in a decade!!
 
Cardinal said:
Public thought on things change all the time. I'm more interested in their reasons for that shift than yours, respectfully speaking.
Click to expand...

"All the Time" public thought goes from 91% for something to 68% against something, in ten years! Sorry, but, no it doesn't.
 
VanceMack said:
That would be alright...we would still KNOW...and the chants would still be the same. "Lets go, cracka's!!!"
Click to expand...

I always thought Honkeys would be cool, I love the way it rolls off the tongue and I've got some great ideas for merchandise! Just think of a stadium filled with 80,000 screaming fans in unison chanting HONKEY, HONKEY, HONKEY! I get chills just thinking about it.
 
Gringo allstar said:
I always thought Honkeys would be cool, I love the way it rolls off the tongue and I've got some great ideas for merchandise! Just think of a stadium filled with 80,000 screaming fans in unison chanting HONKEY, HONKEY, HONKEY! I get chills just thinking about it.
Click to expand...
I know who can host the post game party...

 
Montecresto said:
What's your point there? I don't think I ever mentioned that they did. My whole point in this is that the native Americans magically went from not caring about this at all, to caring a whole bunch, in a decade!!
Click to expand...

Montecresto said:
"All the Time" public thought goes from 91% for something to 68% against something, in ten years! Sorry, but, no it doesn't.
Click to expand...

Well, obviously the explanation isn't magical. Also, the original poll excluded Alaska and Hawaii, so I don't know what the real number would have been, but it would have been different. Point is, neither you nor I know the reason for the shift, and assuming the reason is money is presumptuous and built on ignorance.
 
Cardinal said:
Well, obviously the explanation isn't magical. Also, the original poll excluded Alaska and Hawaii, so I don't know what the real number would have been, but it would have been different. Point is, neither you nor I know the reason for the shift, and assuming the reason is money is presumptuous and built on ignorance.
Click to expand...

Who ever said they KNEW? It's my opinion that attorneys and money are behind this, when we began and still.
 
Montecresto said:
Who ever said they KNEW? It's my opinion that attorneys and money are behind this, when we began and still.
Click to expand...

Yes, I know that's what you've been saying. And so far you've provided nothing but your own conjecture for arriving at that theory.
 
You left out NONE

democrats.jpg
 
radcen said:
Which of these Indian mascot/team names do you believe to be offensive?

Aztecs
Blackhawks
Braves
Chiefs
Illini
Indians
Redskins
Seminoles
(Fighting) Sioux
Warriors

Please note that this thread and poll are asking for YOUR opinion. If you feel the need to defer to others and their opinions, then this thread is not a good match for you. You may choose multiple options.

"None" would mean not choosing any of them.
Click to expand...

The poll has no option for "none." That would have been my selection.

Mascots
[h=3] The 2,128 Native American Mascots People Aren’t Talking About [/h] By Hayley Munguia
 
Only the Redskins are on my list as seeing it reasonably offensive (it's hard to offend me)
From a intellectual level I'm kind of offended by "Indians", since that was Columbus being stupid and our own stubbornness refusing to correct it.
Next on my list would be all the teams named after an actual tribe, but not worth voting on.

The only ones I find to be completely devoid of any racial undertones would be the ones like the Warriors, Chiefs, Braves. Those are just jobs.
 
Cardinal said:
Yes, I know that's what you've been saying. And so far you've provided nothing but your own conjecture for arriving at that theory.
Click to expand...

Of course it's been my opinion, and you, have you offered up anything other? It most certainly is my opinion that the about face is outside groups and individuals influencing the Indians about this. Its fact that in the time of a decade, they went from not caring at all, to caring a whole hell of a lot. That IS suspicious to me.
 
Superfly said:
But why? I don't get butthurt when somebody calls me white. Black people don't get butthurt when somebody calls them black. Hispanics don't get upset when somebody calls them brown.
Click to expand...

.... Different words have different meanings. Go figure.
 
radcen said:
Which of these Indian mascot/team names do you believe to be offensive?

Aztecs
Blackhawks
Braves
Chiefs
Illini
Indians
Redskins
Seminoles
(Fighting) Sioux
Warriors

Please note that this thread and poll are asking for YOUR opinion. If you feel the need to defer to others and their opinions, then this thread is not a good match for you. You may choose multiple options.

"None" would mean not choosing any of them.
Click to expand...

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks, unless he is Indian. Only a minority or ethnicity or race can determine what is offensive to that minnority, ethnicity or race.

What is this fixation that sports followers have with Indian names? What's the big deal about it? It's just a name of a sports team. Nothing important.
 
CanadaJohn said:
There should be an option for none, otherwise how are you going to know how many people polled none?

My answer would be none.

BTW, are Aztecs Indians?
Click to expand...

Aztecs (the people) are of the Indian race. Not sure if they're considered Native American, since they originated and lived in South or Central America. I think of Native American as a term we use for the Indian race in America.
 
Luftwaffe said:
I'm assuming by natives you mean the ones who were in USA or above (tribe-wise).

Latin America has treated natives and continues to treat natives 1000000X worse than we do here. They're treated like the untouchables in India, to be called Native American is to be insulted in some places.

My grandpa denies his ancestry, he would beat the **** out of you if you called him Native American (yet he is 100% Native American).

Aztecs were from Mexico and a little bit below, not too sure about them, not as worse as South America, but for all I know being native is still considered inferior.

As I revisit my statement in this thread maybe it isn't that some are westernized, but it's that they are in denial. To be called an indian would be better than to be called a Native American, at least in some countries.
Click to expand...

"Indian" is one of the races. So there's nothing offensive about that. Indian, caucasian, negro (or black), Asian. Are those all the races? I think so.

"Native American" is a term we in America use for the race & ethnicity of those who are descended from the original inhabitants of North America, I believe. Their race is "Indian" or mainly Indian.

Aztecs were of the Indian race and originated in South or Central America, and mixed with the Spanish, which is why Central and South American hispanics are darker and shorter than hispanics from Spain and other areas.

That's my understanding, anyway.
 
Superfly said:
This is what I was going to say -- it doesn't matter if we find it offensive. It's what they find offensive that matters.

Personally I don't see why any of it would be considered offensive. They've been called "red men" for as long as I've been alive, and only recently, in this "touchy, feely, everybody gets a trophy" world did they seem to become vocal over it. Could be a case of, "How dare those white devils call you this? You should be upset!!" 50 to 1, it started out with a lawyer. :lol:
Click to expand...

As for why the complaints are only recent (if they are only recent), it reminds me of when I was a child in the segregated deep south. I could see that blacks were discriminated against, couldn't get good jobs, had to sit at back of the buses, couldn't eat at the diners, etc. I wondered why they didn't say something about it. My child's brain deduced that the blacks must agree with it, and it must be true that they are rightly segregated, or they would say something.

How silly a child's brain is.
 
JumpinJack said:
"Indian" is one of the races. So there's nothing offensive about that. Indian, caucasian, negro (or black), Asian. Are those all the races? I think so.

"Native American" is a term we in America use for the race & ethnicity of those who are descended from the original inhabitants of North America, I believe. Their race is "Indian" or mainly Indian.

Aztecs were of the Indian race and originated in South or Central America, and mixed with the Spanish, which is why Central and South American hispanics are darker and shorter than hispanics from Spain and other areas.

That's my understanding, anyway.
Click to expand...

It's not that Indian is offensive, it's just moronic to use it for people who aren't from India.

Again, does it look like we have red dots on our head?

No, Indians come from India.
 
JumpinJack said:
As for why the complaints are only recent (if they are only recent), it reminds me of when I was a child in the segregated deep south. I could see that blacks were discriminated against, couldn't get good jobs, had to sit at back of the buses, couldn't eat at the diners, etc. I wondered why they didn't say something about it. My child's brain deduced that the blacks must agree with it, and it must be true that they are rightly segregated, or they would say something.

How silly a child's brain is.
Click to expand...

Redskin isn't offensive, only for the moron Natives who squabble over that rather than realize the atrocity that is the treatment of Native Americans in South America and the terrible issues plaguing Native populations in the USA (like gambling, alcohol abuse, sex abuse rates).
 
radcen said:
Which of these Indian mascot/team names do you believe to be offensive?

Aztecs
Blackhawks
Braves
Chiefs
Illini
Indians
Redskins
Seminoles
(Fighting) Sioux
Warriors

Please note that this thread and poll are asking for YOUR opinion. If you feel the need to defer to others and their opinions, then this thread is not a good match for you. You may choose multiple options.

"None" would mean not choosing any of them.
Click to expand...

Eh. "Redskin" would be the only one that comes anywhere close.

Frankly, however, I don't think it's anywhere near an offensive enough slur to warrant removing the name.

Now, if you wanted to name a Basketball team "The N*****s," on the other hand... :lol:
 
Actually, where is the option for "people need to grow up and stop being offended at stupid things"? You know... sticks and stones and all that?
 
Montecresto said:
Of course it's been my opinion, and you, have you offered up anything other? It most certainly is my opinion that the about face is outside groups and individuals influencing the Indians about this. Its fact that in the time of a decade, they went from not caring at all, to caring a whole hell of a lot. That IS suspicious to me.
Click to expand...

I haven't offered up an opinion because there's no information to base any such opinion on. If I don't like the taste of a pot pie, I know I don't like it because it leaves an unpleasant sensation on my taste buds. So while my opinion of said pot pie may be just my opinion, it's an opinion that comes from something. Your opinion, however, is completely ****ing retarded, because it comes from nothing at all.
 
NONE-why would anyone name a sports team with an insult

people name sports teams after the fierce, the skillful or the brave

ever heard of a HS team called the

WIMPS

Fairies

Cupcakes

Nerds

weenies

tinkerbelles

picking Native American names was a compliment to them
 
Dave Mittner said:
Only the Redskins are on my list as seeing it reasonably offensive (it's hard to offend me)
From a intellectual level I'm kind of offended by "Indians", since that was Columbus being stupid and our own stubbornness refusing to correct it.
Next on my list would be all the teams named after an actual tribe, but not worth voting on.

The only ones I find to be completely devoid of any racial undertones would be the ones like the Warriors, Chiefs, Braves. Those are just jobs.
Click to expand...
Philadelphia/San Francisco/Golden State Warriors used to use Indian imagery, hence their inclusion. They dropped the imagery 10-15 years ago.
 
radcen said:
Philadelphia/San Francisco/Golden State Warriors used to use Indian imagery, hence their inclusion. They dropped the imagery 10-15 years ago.
Click to expand...

Well, mascots weren't explained in the poll options so I voted just based on names.
I have little doubt that at least a few of the mascots or other merchandise could easily cross the threshold into offensive, even when the team names do not.
 
radcen said:
Which of these Indian mascot/team names do you believe to be offensive?

Aztecs
Blackhawks
Braves
Chiefs
Illini
Indians
Redskins
Seminoles
(Fighting) Sioux
Warriors

Please note that this thread and poll are asking for YOUR opinion. If you feel the need to defer to others and their opinions, then this thread is not a good match for you. You may choose multiple options.

"None" would mean not choosing any of them.
Click to expand...

Names only? Redskins. The Cleveland Indians logo is pretty offensive but the name isn't.
Bottom line is, if you're not Native American you're not entitled to an opinion. If the old guy across the lane told you he didn't like the term, 'wop', would you say that it's not offensive and call him a wop anyway? Even if you're Italian you need to respect his sensibilities.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom