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Which of these Indian mascot/team names do you believe to be offensive?

Which of these Indian mascot/team names do you believe to be offensive?

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The one that is a racial slur against the Native American population.
 
There was not an option for none so I did not vote...
 
americanwoman said:
I guess I have never really thought of that. My Native American friends do refer to themselves as Natives but the ones with Aztec ancestry always say Aztec Indian.
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You want to hear funny about fake outrage? I live in New Zealand and we teach a bit about the comparisons of European effects on the native Maori to the Native North American Indians... the Kiwis used to say just Indians until I got here 8 years ago, but that is no biggy... I was running a meeting of teachers in my room one day and had the Native North American Indians on the board for the next lesson and one teacher starts in on me about how they disrespectful and out of touch I am. How that is degrading to the Natives and how in fact it is actually insulting to call the Apache (for example) ... Apache since some times those names were bestowed upon them by their enemies and adopted by the white man ignorantly and how all NNAI's want to be referred to as First Americans, how that is PC. I tried talking a bit with him but he started getting angry!! Can you ****ing believe that ****? Some white New Zealand European descendant liberal asshole getting all up in arms about American Natives. I told him to take a hike and leave my room and some other teachers were shocked but smiled when I told him off. :lol:
 
lizzie said:
Well, I'm just waiting for a team to be named Fightin' Old White Bitches, and I'm buying the cap and the T-shirt.:2razz:
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Better yet, the team could spend half their salary cap to hire the best kickers in the known world, and name themselves the Punting C***s.
 
americanwoman said:
I would think out of any of them listed Redskins is the most offensive but it's really up to the Natives to determine what is offensive to them. So far, from what I've heard from friends is that they don't really care that much.
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This is what I was going to say -- it doesn't matter if we find it offensive. It's what they find offensive that matters.

Personally I don't see why any of it would be considered offensive. They've been called "red men" for as long as I've been alive, and only recently, in this "touchy, feely, everybody gets a trophy" world did they seem to become vocal over it. Could be a case of, "How dare those white devils call you this? You should be upset!!" 50 to 1, it started out with a lawyer. :lol:
 
Superfly said:
This is what I was going to say -- it doesn't matter if we find it offensive. It's what they find offensive that matters.

Personally I don't see why any of it would be considered offensive. They've been called "red men" for as long as I've been alive, and only recently, in this "touchy, feely, everybody gets a trophy" world did they seem to become vocal over it. Could be a case of, "How dare those white devils call you this? You should be upset!!" 50 to 1, it started out with a lawyer. :lol:
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Ya think? :lol:
 
Aztecs were a terrible lot. Let by their facist leader Montazuma (who thought he was a God) they set out to rule the known world. Besides having a sorry human rights record that gave no rights to women and allowed slavery, they would take many of their captured victims and cut their hearts out on top of their temples.

Now the Native tribes who were part of the current United States, weren't quite as offensive, but the Commanche were the most brutal, worse than the Apache and Yaqui.

Is it still PC to name helecoptors after Indians?
 
americanwoman said:
I would think out of any of them listed Redskins is the most offensive but it's really up to the Natives to determine what is offensive to them. So far, from what I've heard from friends is that they don't really care that much.
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I would agree. the only one which stands out as a pejorative is REDSKINS. They need to change that.
 
haymarket said:
I would agree. the only one which stands out as a pejorative is REDSKINS. They need to change that.
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But why? I don't get butthurt when somebody calls me white. Black people don't get butthurt when somebody calls them black. Hispanics don't get upset when somebody calls them brown. Why do Indians feel the need to be offended over something that only very recently started bothering them?

They are just looking for money, in my opinion. Which Nation is yelling the loudest? Are they a wealthier Nation, like the Oneidas who have opened Casinos, hotels, etc, or are they a poor Nation, like the Onondagas, who like to sit around and be jealous of everything the Oneidas worked hard for and built?
 
CanadaJohn said:
I thought the Aztecs were Mexican, but hey I'm just a lowly Canadian. Perhaps with so many Mexicans taking up residence in the US, you've also adopted their history.
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"Mexican" is the term given to the Christian mestizo culture that was created with the merging of spanish and native influences. Aztecs are native Indians. The mascot was probably shosen because San Diego is close to the Mexican border.
 
radcen said:
Which of these Indian mascot/team names do you believe to be offensive?

Aztecs
Blackhawks
Braves
Chiefs
Illini
Indians
Redskins
Seminoles
(Fighting) Sioux
Warriors

Please note that this thread and poll are asking for YOUR opinion. If you feel the need to defer to others and their opinions, then this thread is not a good match for you. You may choose multiple options.

"None" would mean not choosing any of them.
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Out of curiosity, do the Native Americans those team names reference think they're racist?
 
Superfly said:
But why? I don't get butthurt when somebody calls me white. Black people don't get butthurt when somebody calls them black. Hispanics don't get upset when somebody calls them brown. Why do Indians feel the need to be offended over something that only very recently started bothering them?

They are just looking for money, in my opinion. Which Nation is yelling the loudest? Are they a wealthier Nation, like the Oneidas who have opened Casinos, hotels, etc, or are they a poor Nation, like the Onondagas, who like to sit around and be jealous of everything the Oneidas worked hard for and built?
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It is an obvious difference that I see. If you do not see it - or if you opt not to see it - that is your right.
 
haymarket said:
It is an obvious difference that I see. If you do not see it - or if you opt not to see it - that is your right.
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I asked you why. Can you answer to me why it is offensive? If it is so obvious, it shouldn't be that difficult to explain to my why.
 
DA60 said:
Ask natives, their opinion is the only one that counts to me in this matter.

Why on Earth would I care what some white guy (for example) thinks about the word 'Seminole'...it has nothing directly to do with him?
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If a bunch of white people got together and agreed that "kike" wasn't racist, I'd say "Thanks, but your opinion is uninformed, irrelevant and dismissed."
 
Superfly said:
I asked you why. Can you answer to me why it is offensive? If it is so obvious, it shouldn't be that difficult to explain to my why.
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because its an obvious reference to skin color and the defining nature of skin color.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I thought the Aztecs were Mexican, but hey I'm just a lowly Canadian. Perhaps with so many Mexicans taking up residence in the US, you've also adopted their history.
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More appropriately...SOME mejicans are of Azteca descent...but there was no mejico. Most mejicans are a bi-product of Spanish conquest of the natives.

Shocking...right? Those bastards!!!!
 
haymarket said:
because its an obvious reference to skin color and the defining nature of skin color.
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So? Like I said, calling me white doesn't bother me. Calling someone black if they are black doesn't bother them.

Why do the Native Americans get to be bothered by this? Because someone told them they should. That's why. Pathetic attempt at a money grab.
 
Most Indians would say 'none'. The handful that find the Redskins nickname offensive would say (have said) ALL of them and their plan is to sue everyone until they are changed.
 
Cryptic said:
"Mexican" is the term given to the Christian mestizo culture that was created with the merging of spanish and native influences. Aztecs are native Indians. The mascot was probably shosen because San Diego is close to the Mexican border.
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'Merging"...that sounds so much more sanitary than 'conquered'.
 
VanceMack said:
'Merging"...that sounds so much more sanitary than 'conquered'.
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There was both conquering, and merging.

For example, during the destruction of the Aztec capital, there were more native Mexicans in Cortez's army than there were Spaniards. Likewise, after the defeat of the Aztecs alot of their former vassal tribes were merged. Some probably more willingly than others.
 
Whether a term is a slur or not should be dependent on whether it is being used as such. Not on what any one group thinks currently. If someone went and made a team called Crackers and did so because they like cracking heads I sure has heck wouldn't get offended. If someone made the team name Crackers just to take a shot at whites in a degrading term then yes, I'd find it offensive.

We research history for two reasons. One is to just simply know. We are curious creatures that simply like to know everything that we can. Second is to not repeat past mistakes. Unfortunately that second part there is often ignored and is instead used to place blame and condemnation on groups of people. As such it overrides any type of intelligent thought and progress.

PS: The answer to the poll question for me is "None".
 
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