Which of these Indian mascot/team names do you believe to be offensive?

[radcen]

Which of these Indian mascot/team names do you believe to be offensive?

Aztecs
Blackhawks
Braves
Chiefs
Illini
Indians
Redskins
Seminoles
(Fighting) Sioux
Warriors

Please note that this thread and poll are asking for YOUR opinion. If you feel the need to defer to others and their opinions, then this thread is not a good match for you. You may choose multiple options.

"None" would mean not choosing any of them.

 

[CanadaJohn]

There should be an option for none, otherwise how are you going to know how many people polled none?

My answer would be none.

BTW, are Aztecs Indians?

 

[Dittohead not!]

There should be an option for none, otherwise how are you going to know how many people polled none?

My answer would be none.

BTW, are Aztecs Indians?

They're native Americans, so sure, they're as much Indians as any of the rest of the people who inhabited the lands Columbus decided must be India.

I agree - none of them.

 

[Rainman05]

The Fighting Sioux simply because if you say it fast, you will end up saying the fighting sucks. Which would be correct, fighting does suck, but it makes no sense to name yourself like that.
It's not offensive, it's just a stupid name.

 

[americanwoman]

BTW, are Aztecs Indians?

I've heard them identify themselves as that.

 

[CanadaJohn]

They're native Americans, so sure, they're as much Indians as any of the rest of the people who inhabited the lands Columbus decided must be India.

I agree - none of them.

I thought the Aztecs were Mexican, but hey I'm just a lowly Canadian. Perhaps with so many Mexicans taking up residence in the US, you've also adopted their history.

 

[tres borrachos]

None of them.

 

[Dittohead not!]

I thought the Aztecs were Mexican, but hey I'm just a lowly Canadian. Perhaps with so many Mexicans taking up residence in the US, you've also adopted their history.

They were the original Mexicans, back before Cortez and his conquistadores.

 

[americanwoman]

I would think out of any of them listed Redskins is the most offensive but it's really up to the Natives to determine what is offensive to them. So far, from what I've heard from friends is that they don't really care that much.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

I've heard them identify themselves as that.

hmmm, that's interesting, not all native americans are the same in that regard. I guess a good amount have been so damn westernized that they call themselves Indians.

Well I hope they put red dots on their head.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

I would think out of any of them listed Redskins is the most offensive but it's really up to the Natives to determine what is offensive to them. So far, from what I've heard from friends is that they don't really care that much.

+1

My grandpa on my dad's side is Native American, my dad can give a flying **** and my grandpa doesn't even care about American football, never mind the names of the teams.

 

[americanwoman]

hmmm, that's interesting, not all native americans are the same in that regard. I guess a good amount have been so damn westernized that they call themselves Indians.

I guess I have never really thought of that. My Native American friends do refer to themselves as Natives but the ones with Aztec ancestry always say Aztec Indian.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

I guess I have never really thought of that. My Native American friends do refer to themselves as Natives but the ones with Aztec ancestry always say Aztec Indian.

I'm assuming by natives you mean the ones who were in USA or above (tribe-wise).

Latin America has treated natives and continues to treat natives 1000000X worse than we do here. They're treated like the untouchables in India, to be called Native American is to be insulted in some places.

My grandpa denies his ancestry, he would beat the **** out of you if you called him Native American (yet he is 100% Native American).

Aztecs were from Mexico and a little bit below, not too sure about them, not as worse as South America, but for all I know being native is still considered inferior.

As I revisit my statement in this thread maybe it isn't that some are westernized, but it's that they are in denial. To be called an indian would be better than to be called a Native American, at least in some countries.

 

[americanwoman]

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My grandpa denies his ancestry, he would beat the **** out of you if you called him Native American (yet he is 100% Native American).

How strange, maybe it's just the difference in tribes and how they perceive themselves. My native friends (yes from the US) are very into their culture, they do pow wows and spend alot of time on reservations so I wonder if it's location or tribe. Maybe I will ask them later what they think.

 

[DA60]

Ask natives, their opinion is the only one that counts to me in this matter.

Why on Earth would I care what some white guy (for example) thinks about the word 'Seminole'...it has nothing directly to do with him?

 

[Dittohead not!]

I'm assuming by natives you mean the ones who were in USA or above (tribe-wise).

Latin America has treated natives and continues to treat natives 1000000X worse than we do here. They're treated like the untouchables in India, to be called Native American is to be insulted in some places.

My grandpa denies his ancestry, he would beat the **** out of you if you called him Native American (yet he is 100% Native American).

Aztecs were from Mexico and a little bit below, not too sure about them, not as worse as South America, but for all I know being native is still considered inferior.

As I revisit my statement in this thread maybe it isn't that some are westernized, but it's that they are in denial. To be called an indian would be better than to be called a Native American, at least in some countries.

Indio, Spanish for Indian, is a pejorative term in South America. They prefer to be called "cholitos", at least in Bolivia. As for the treatment of the natives there, check out Evo Morales and the changes he's made in that country.

His account pays less attention to another reason for the government’s popularity: the “refounding” of Bolivia as a plurinational state that for the first time in its 200-year history constitutionally recognises the languages and cultures of the indigenous peoples, the majority of its population, as well as the self-governing autonomy of its leading ethnic communities. He does indicate, however, some of the ways in which this “political revolution” has resulted in a profound “substitution of political elites” that has shifted the hegemonic balance of forces in Bolivia more to the side of the subaltern classes.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Indio, Spanish for Indian, is a pejorative term in South America. They prefer to be called "cholitos", at least in Bolivia. As for the treatment of the natives there, check out Evo Morales and the changes he's made in that country.

You're not equating Bolivia, one of the smallest countries, with all of South America yes? As for Native treatment in South America, they were treated like ****. The last time anyone in my family was there was a little over a decade ago, who knows, maybe something changed.

However, my father would tell me the stories of the Native Americans who were treated like dirt up until old age. They were forced to act as mules, carrying extremely heavy things uphill, and when they were finished, their backs became permanently bent, destroyed by the inhumane labour that was essentially forced upon them.

He is Ecuadorian, and this was Ecuador, I cannot say much for Bolivia, but across Latin America in general, Natives were never liked.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Which of these Indian mascot/team names do you believe to be offensive?

Aztecs
Blackhawks
Braves
Chiefs
Illini
Indians
Redskins
Seminoles
(Fighting) Sioux
Warriors

Please note that this thread and poll are asking for YOUR opinion. If you feel the need to defer to others and their opinions, then this thread is not a good match for you. You may choose multiple options.

"None" would mean not choosing any of them.

None of them is an "Indian" title or even a word.

The term "Indian" comes from a sailor who was lost at sea and rescued by dark skinned people, He thought he was 15,000 miles away from where he really was...and thus every native discovered in the Americas was thought to be "Indian"

An offensive "Indian" name would be the "Punjabi's" or even more humiliating "The Paki's" as it refers to people from Pakistan.


Here is my question...is the name "Scalphunters" an offense to American Fist Nations?

 

[gdgyva]

none of the above

why is that not a choice?

 

[Beaudreaux]

None of them.

 

[Van Basten]

I thought the Aztecs were Mexican, but hey I'm just a lowly Canadian. Perhaps with so many Mexicans taking up residence in the US, you've also adopted their history.

They were the indigenous peoples of central Mexico.

They were to Mexico what the Cherokee and so on are to the USA.

I say "were" since they're effectively gone. Their descendants still exist though across Mexico, but that's a distant relation and nothing more. In 2000, there was an estimated 1.5 million that spoke the Aztec language of Nahuatl. Quite a big number, but I'm sure it's considerably less now. Anyway, I wouldn't buy any living person's moaning as speaking for the Aztecs though.

 

[Ockham]

None. :shrug:

 

[Dittohead not!]

You're not equating Bolivia, one of the smallest countries, with all of South America yes? As for Native treatment in South America, they were treated like ****. The last time anyone in my family was there was a little over a decade ago, who knows, maybe something changed.

However, my father would tell me the stories of the Native Americans who were treated like dirt up until old age. They were forced to act as mules, carrying extremely heavy things uphill, and when they were finished, their backs became permanently bent, destroyed by the inhumane labour that was essentially forced upon them.

He is Ecuadorian, and this was Ecuador, I cannot say much for Bolivia, but across Latin America in general, Natives were never liked.

No, they weren't. They have been looked down on and discriminated against for a long time now.
The Spanish term "indio" is much like the N word in the USA, a pejorative term. In one nation, however, (Bolivia) a popular Aymara president is making some changes.

In the rest of South America, not much has changed in that regard.

 

[molten_dragon]

Which of these Indian mascot/team names do you believe to be offensive?

Aztecs
Blackhawks
Braves
Chiefs
Illini
Indians
Redskins
Seminoles
(Fighting) Sioux
Warriors

Please note that this thread and poll are asking for YOUR opinion. If you feel the need to defer to others and their opinions, then this thread is not a good match for you. You may choose multiple options.

"None" would mean not choosing any of them.

I don't find any of them offensive, but I'm also not a native american.

 

[Montecresto]

Which of these Indian mascot/team names do you believe to be offensive?

Aztecs
Blackhawks
Braves
Chiefs
Illini
Indians
Redskins
Seminoles
(Fighting) Sioux
Warriors

Please note that this thread and poll are asking for YOUR opinion. If you feel the need to defer to others and their opinions, then this thread is not a good match for you. You may choose multiple options.

"None" would mean not choosing any of them.

But I didn't see "none" as an option, which is how I would have voted.