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Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 11.4%

  • No

    Votes: 73 55.3%

  • Yes and no

    Votes: 28 21.2%

  • Something else

    Votes: 16 12.1%
  • Total voters
    132
US Conservative said:
I think he nailed it. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to learn its just another reason Obama loathes Churchill.
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Ya'mean because his father was tortured in a British occupied prison?
 
radcen said:
Is Islam a "Religion of Peace"?

Yes?
No?
Yes and no?
Something else?

Please give some thoughts behind your conclusion.

Bonus question: In your opinion, why did Bush II go out of his way to refer to it as such after 9/11? Do you think he actually believed it? Do you think he was trying to keep people (us and them) calm?
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Now that GW Bush (whom you call Bush 2) is no longer POTUS you should ask him again if he really thinks Islam is a "religion of peace."
 
Bodhisattva said:
This is the best and most apt part:

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die: but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.
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We should start another Crusade, collect up all their Qurans, and burn them.

We can pass out Bibles at the same time.

Some of the parts of the Bible they will recognize.

The 10 Commandments including "thou shalt not murder" will be new to them however.

And there is nothing in the Bible about 72 virgins.
 
Riveroaks said:
We should start another Crusade, collect up all their Qurans, and burn them.

We can pass out Bibles at the same time.

Some of the parts of the Bible they will recognize.

The 10 Commandments including "thou shalt not murder" will be new to them however.

And there is nothing in the Bible about 72 virgins.
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Maybe we should just burn all of the religious books and stop people from believing imaginary BS.
 
Cephus said:
Maybe we should just burn all of the religious books and stop people from believing imaginary BS.
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Buddhists are fairly pacifistic and their religion is a benefit to society.

Hindus are somewhat similar, and it is lucky for Pakistan that India is this way. Hindusim is also a benefit to society.

Christianity emphasizes charity and as such it is a benefit to society.

If you want to make an argument for getting rid of all the other of the world's religions, you can do so. Feel free.
 
Riveroaks said:
Buddhists are fairly pacifistic and their religion is a benefit to society.
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Sure, tell that to the Muslims they murder regularly in Myanmar.

Hindus are somewhat similar, and it is lucky for Pakistan that India is this way. Their religion is also a benefit to society.
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You mean Hindus who promote the caste system in India, perhaps one of India's biggest social problems?

Christianity emphasizes charity and as such it is a benefit to society.
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Only insofar as they can use charity to get more adherents. Christianity is full of "charities" that refuse to actually help anyone unless they profess belief in their god or are willing to sit through a sermon. In reality, a lot of so-called Christian charity is a means to recruit, not to help.

If you want to make an argument for getting rid of all the other of the world's religions, you can do so. Feel free.
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You didn't have a problem arguing that we should burn all the Qur'ans and passing out Bibles. You, fine sir, are a horrible hypocrite.
 
Cephus said:
Sure, tell that to the Muslims they murder regularly in Myanmar.



You mean Hindus who promote the caste system in India, perhaps one of India's biggest social problems?



Only insofar as they can use charity to get more adherents. Christianity is full of "charities" that refuse to actually help anyone unless they profess belief in their god or are willing to sit through a sermon. In reality, a lot of so-called Christian charity is a means to recruit, not to help.



You didn't have a problem arguing that we should burn all the Qur'ans and passing out Bibles. You, fine sir, are a horrible hypocrite.
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The Islamists and the Shintos deserve to have their holy books collected and burned and their religions banned.

The evidence is overwhelming.

The Shintos can claim a reprieve because since December 7 1941 and a few years following, they have not attacked anybody or buried anybody alive.

For the Islamists there is no excuse however.
 
Riveroaks said:
The Islamists and the Shintos deserve to have their holy books collected and burned and their religions banned.

The evidence is overwhelming.

The Shintos can claim a reprieve because since December 7 1941 and a few years following, they have not attacked anybody or buried anybody alive.

For the Islamists there is no excuse however.
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And you continue to be a hypocrite. I guess nobody is surprised at all.
 
Riveroaks said:
And there is nothing in the Bible about 72 virgins.
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There's nothing in the Koran about it, either. But thank you for putting your sheer, unadulterated ignorance on display for all of us to see.
 
Riveroaks said:
The Islamists and the Shintos deserve to have their holy books collected and burned and their religions banned.

The evidence is overwhelming.

The Shintos can claim a reprieve because since December 7 1941 and a few years following, they have not attacked anybody or buried anybody alive.

For the Islamists there is no excuse however.
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How, pray tell, are you supposed to "ban" Islam (or Shintoism, which is a ludicrous proposition)? Who is going to enforce this "ban"?
 
Kobie said:
How, pray tell, are you supposed to "ban" Islam (or Shintoism, which is a ludicrous proposition)? Who is going to enforce this "ban"?
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I am all for banning or abolishing any religious roots, including Christianism, Judaism, etc. How though, remains a good question.
 
DDD said:
I am all for banning or abolishing any religious roots, including Christianism, Judaism, etc. How though, remains a good question.
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I'm not. I believe people are free to follow their religions, as misguided as I find them.

Actions should be punished. Not beliefs.
 
OrphanSlug said:
The answer is no. Submission to an ideology is not peace, and any objective review of the history of Islam from inception up to current times shows plenty of division, disagreement, splinter of faith, hatred, cruelty, loss of life, warfare, barbarianism punishments for lack of submission, outright sexism, pockets of pedophilia, strict social controls, etc.

You cannot even pretend Islam has anything to do with peace.

A core tenet of Islam is believing every single word of the Quran being the literal word of God. Go read it, take it as literal, and come back with some argument that the text of the Quran is all about peace.
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There is nothing there you could not claim about Christianity.

If Islam itself is the problem how is it possible the more than 2.5 million Muslims in the US have committed the least amount of attacks in the US?
 
guru03 said:
The teachings of Islam and the Koran are violent and/or advocate violence. However, there are peaceful and violent Muslims. Not all Muslims are violent.
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What is your basis for making such an allegation and where have you studied Islam?
 
Brischera said:
There is nothing there you could not claim about Christianity.

If Islam itself is the problem how is it possible the more than 2.5 million Muslims in the US have committed the least amount of attacks in the US?
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Who keeps telling you that the actions of one system of belief get another off the hook? (And I'll remind you that moving the goal posts in the other thread with this exact same question did not work there at all, what makes you think it will work here?)
 
OrphanSlug said:
Who keeps telling you that the actions of one system of belief get another off the hook? (And I'll remind you that moving the goal posts in the other thread with this exact same question did not work there at all, what makes you think it will work here?)
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My question never got answered and it was simply dodged as people are dodging it here as well.

You cannot claim Islam is inherently violent and ignore Muslims in the US cause the least amount of terrorist attacks. In fact, most of our terrorist attacks come from non muslim caucasians yet I dont see you claiming caucasians are inherently terrorists.
 
Brischera said:
My question never got answered and it was simply dodged as people are dodging it here as well.

You cannot claim Islam is inherently violent and ignore Muslims in the US cause the least amount of terrorist attacks. In fact, most of our terrorist attacks come from non muslim caucasians yet I dont see you claiming caucasians are inherently terrorists.
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Actually I can. It does not matter how many times you try to reduce the playing field, or move the goal posts around, we are still back to the point of this thread. Islam is either a religion of peace or it is not, and why. Some of us have provided how Islam cannot be a religion of peace, until you offer a good argument (and again, I even gave you a hint as to how to do that) to the contrary we are still done here. It is rather asinine of you to suggest others dodge when you refuse to put up an argument as to how Islam can be a religion of peace.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Actually I can. It does not matter how many times you try to reduce the playing field, or move the goal posts around, we are still back to the point of this thread. Islam is either a religion of peace or it is not, and why. Some of us have provided how Islam cannot be a religion of peace, until you offer a good argument (and again, I even gave you a hint as to how to do that) to the contrary we are still done here. It is rather asinine of you to suggest others dodge when you refuse to put up an argument as to how Islam can be a religion of peace.
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For the last time: You cannot claim Islam is inherently violent while ignoring the fact the 2.5+ million Muslims in the US are not responsible for any level of crime in any area.

Nobody is changing the goal posts. You just dont like it when people can prove your claim is wrong.
 
Brischera said:
For the last time: You cannot claim Islam is inherently violent while ignoring the fact the 2.5+ million Muslims in the US are not responsible for any level of crime in any area.

Nobody is changing the goal posts. You just dont like it when people can prove your claim is wrong.
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For the last time, there are a whole lot more Muslims about than the "2.5+ million in the US." Your efforts to reduce the playing field are a joke, come up with a better argument that Islam is a religion of peace or admit you cannot craft such an argument. It is really very simple.
 
Brischera said:
My question never got answered and it was simply dodged as people are dodging it here as well.

You cannot claim Islam is inherently violent and ignore Muslims in the US cause the least amount of terrorist attacks. In fact, most of our terrorist attacks come from non muslim caucasians yet I dont see you claiming caucasians are inherently terrorists.
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How are you counting terrorist attacks? Not all of "our" terrorist attacks happened on our soil. Not by a long shot.
 
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