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Jennifer Lawrence Nude Photo Leak Who is responsible?

Who is responsible?


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You are continuing to put focus on the victim's responsibility, not the perpetrator's.

Until you can come to terms with this, you and I are just going to go round in circles.

You mean until YOU come to terms with it. The crime that the hackers committed is settled business. I don't think anyone here has argued they are blameless. YOU however seem to think these folks, who make their living having their lives be public business, have no responsibility to keep private what they want to be private. In an age where celebrities make sex tapes specifically to be "leaked", that's incredibly naïve.
 
What I honestly don't understand is why someone would want to look at the photos. I mean, you can easily just go on the internet and look at photos and videos of women consenting to have their sexual activities known. Why not just do that? Looking that those photos is just creepy.
 
And some other asshole would think it served you right for leaving your car out on the street.

Well I guess that just gets right back to my comment about the expectation of privacy and taking reasonable steps to preserve that privacy.
 
If everyone thought that using the internet with secure sites and such was going to burn them just like fire as you say, then no one would do online banking, send their taxes to the IRS via the internet, or even email anything to anyone.

If someone hacked her computer and/or accounts and took her tax information (if she used tax software) that she saved to her computer and transmitted over the internet, or if she banks online like many of us do, and somebody took that information. It would be a surprise to many people and it would be criminal behavior by the person that did that, and not just the nature of the beast of being rich and famous.

The average person does not live their lives in the public domain. AND you shouldn't do online banking if you think there is no chance of your private info getting out. It is not near 100% secure. If you haven't heard this many times by now, you're living under a rock somewhere.

ANYTHING you post online can be intercepted. There is no "private" and what you post persists. Welcome to the Worldwide Web 101A. It never was and the system wasn't designed for it, it was designed to share everything. You do know why the web was developed in the first place right? It didn't become commercial until later.
 
What I honestly don't understand is why someone would want to look at the photos. I mean, you can easily just go on the internet and look at photos and videos of women consenting to have their sexual activities known. Why not just do that? Looking that those photos is just creepy.

The forbidden, the hidden have always been major attractants. It's part of the curiosity that is written into us.
 
And some other asshole would think it served you right for leaving your car out on the street.

And they'd be right to say so ONLY is there was a known history of smashed car windows for anyone who parked on that street.
 
Well I guess that just gets right back to my comment about the expectation of privacy and taking reasonable steps to preserve that privacy.

Precisely!!

The questions are:

1) do people who put information on the internet have a reasonable expectation of privacy even though they know that it's possible for that information to be stolen?

2) Is putting that info in a place with security measure constitute "reasonable steps"?


What I see is a lot of people claiming that "everyone knows" that "anything you put on the internet can be accessed" (as if that were somehow different from something you keep in your home, or the car you park on the street (or you garage))

The fact is, nothing is absolutely secure. Does that mean nobody should ever do anything that might embarrass them? That would probaly be a good idea, but not a very realistic one.
 
Whoever stole the photos is guilty of a crime. That person isn't the only one responsible though.

The people who took those photos, and then trusted them to iCloud are responsible. Apple is responsible because clearly they aren't protecting the data they're storing well enough. And the hacker is responsible because he/she/they stole and distributed it.

What the hacker did was immoral and illegal, but I don't have a lot of sympathy for the people whose photos leaked. If you take naked pictures of yourself and send them to another person (or post them online), they're out of your control at that point, and you don't have much right to be offended if they become public. This goes double if you're famous.
 
Precisely!!

The questions are:

1) do people who put information on the internet have a reasonable expectation of privacy even though they know that it's possible for that information to be stolen?

2) Is putting that info in a place with security measure constitute "reasonable steps"?


What I see is a lot of people claiming that "everyone knows" that "anything you put on the internet can be accessed" (as if that were somehow different from something you keep in your home, or the car you park on the street (or you garage))

The fact is, nothing is absolutely secure. Does that mean nobody should ever do anything that might embarrass them? That would probaly be a good idea, but not a very realistic one.

OK.

If I park my car on the street in my neighborhood I would figure it would be pretty safe. I live in a good neighborhood and haven't even heard of a break in in the 12 years I've been there. However, if every week another car was being broken into I'd park in the garage. If someone doesn't know that the internet isn't particularly secure they have been living in a hole for way too long.
 
OK.

If I park my car on the street in my neighborhood I would figure it would be pretty safe. I live in a good neighborhood and haven't even heard of a break in in the 12 years I've been there. However, if every week another car was being broken into I'd park in the garage. If someone doesn't know that the internet isn't particularly secure they have been living in a hole for way too long.

When was the last time nude pictures were stolen off of Apple's cloud?

I know, I know! "It's the Internet!" It happens regularly on the internet.

But the internet is a pretty big space. Your neighborhood?.....not so much.

Basically, I think people are bending over backwards as if this were different than any other theft because "It's the internet!!" Maybe I'm a bit jaded, but I think the internet is a lot like every other space.....creeps abound!

And then there's the "celebrity factor" too. That makes it easier for people to go in one direction or another.

Then throw in the sex, and we've got a trifecta
 
It is a crime and the hacker right now is responsible. What will be interesting to see is apparently a few of the pictures leaked were of an American gymnast who at the time the pictures were taken was underage. That technically makes the pictures child pornography which would be a crime to anyone who has the pictures of this woman.
 
When was the last time nude pictures were stolen off of Apple's cloud?

I know, I know! "It's the Internet!" It happens regularly on the internet.

But the internet is a pretty big space. Your neighborhood?.....not so much.

Basically, I think people are bending over backwards as if this were different than any other theft because "It's the internet!!" Maybe I'm a bit jaded, but I think the internet is a lot like every other space.....creeps abound!

Creeps do abound......which is a good reason not to keep naked selfies in the vicinity. The way I look at it is that hackers end up getting copies of whole movies even before they're released and they get credit card information from supposedly secure sources so if I happened to want to protect my images I simply wouldn't put them on the internet.
 
The average person does not live their lives in the public domain. AND you shouldn't do online banking if you think there is no chance of your private info getting out. It is not near 100% secure. If you haven't heard this many times by now, you're living under a rock somewhere.

ANYTHING you post online can be intercepted. There is no "private" and what you post persists. Welcome to the Worldwide Web 101A. It never was and the system wasn't designed for it, it was designed to share everything. You do know why the web was developed in the first place right? It didn't become commercial until later.

No ****, it is not 100% secure, nothing is. However there is a certain level of security that is expected from say, Amazon.com, online banking, IRS tax forms transmitted, and MANY MANY other things. To just shrug and say, "oh, well what do you expect you used the internet of course your stuff is going to be stolen" seems to ignore modern internet use of today...an internet that is used for almost everything. Amongst other things, when Target accounts are hacked and celebrities personal accounts are hacked, it is a reminder that we have everything on the internet now and thieves (/hackers) are trying to take advantage of that, and continuous upgrades on securing data is required. However, just because someone gets their account hacked...or car broken into, you don't say "oh, well what do you expect you drive a car of course it is going to be broken into" seems callous and silly.
 
Depends, if the owner of the photos or the person she sent them too uploaded them then that's a scandal. If someone physically hacked or took them from a device then that's stealing.
 
Jennifer Lawrence Nude Photo Leak Isn't A 'Scandal.' It's A Sex Crime.


Scandal or Crime?
Owner of the photographs responsible or leaker responsible?

Personally I can't believe the number of people that claim it's the owner of the photographs fault for taking them in the 1st place. They have a right to privacy.

Yeah, I can't believe it either. People just kinda lose their common sense when anything to do with sex/women is involved. What if these were personal financial documents that were stolen? You think people would be saying it was their own fault for keeping that on their computers?? Heck no! It is a crime. But a woman with sexuality is not deserving of any respect, protection, or privacy apparently :doh
 
Yeah, I can't believe it either. People just kinda lose their common sense when anything to do with sex/women is involved. What if these were personal financial documents that were stolen? You think people would be saying it was their own fault for keeping that on their computers?? Heck no! It is a crime. But a woman with sexuality is not deserving of any respect, protection, or privacy apparently :doh

Not exactly.

In the case of someone like Kate Upton her body is her primary asset. From a purely business perspective she should take any and all reasonable actions to preserve her image...just like Warren Buffet should protect his financial documents. Yeah, she got hacked and the hacker took something of value from her so he (presumably a "he") should be held accountable if caught but she should also be more cautious about what she does with imagery that might negatively impact her marketability.
 
Jennifer Lawrence Nude Photo Leak Isn't A 'Scandal.' It's A Sex Crime.
Scandal or Crime?
Owner of the photographs responsible or leaker responsible?

Personally I can't believe the number of people that claim it's the owner of the photographs fault for taking them in the 1st place. They have a right to privacy.
It's scandal for the public and a crime for the courts.

As far as responsibility? Apple is responsible for creating a vulnerable environment, the photo takers are responsible for putting their pictures in that environment and the hacker is responsible for taking advantage of Apple and the photo takers vulnerability. Overall, the hacker - and nobody else - is responsible for the leak. The other plays in this scandal made poor choices, but their choices did not force the hacker to break the law and violate people's privacy.
 
Speaking strictly in terms of laws being broken, the leaker would be responsible for both breaking into iCloud and for any legal privacy violations.

However, the logical trail of responsibility is longer, in order of precedence:
1. The leaker is foremost responsible for the leak
2. Apple is responsible for allowing the security breach
3. Lawrence is responsible for putting pictures on the internet of a sensitive nature
4. Lawrence is responsible for having the pictures taken

That being said, #4 is pretty inconsequential. I'm certainly not suggesting she shouldn't have had the pictures taken, but obviously they couldn't have been leaked if they'd never been taken... so in a logical paper trail, it must be mentioned for completeness sake.

#3 is what I'd scold her over. As I would scold anyone who puts anything on the internet they consider to be private. Even if Apple (or whatever other company) ensures your privacy, you shouldn't trust them. Obviously they can't guarantee with absolute certainty that what they store will remain private. No internet company can. If their machines are on the net, the possibility exists that hackers can make it through. Or the tl;dr version: assume anything you upload or post will be seen by the world. Never trust the middlemen. This is also true when talking on the phone and texting.
 
Yeah, I can't believe it either. People just kinda lose their common sense when anything to do with sex/women is involved. What if these were personal financial documents that were stolen? You think people would be saying it was their own fault for keeping that on their computers?? Heck no! It is a crime. But a woman with sexuality is not deserving of any respect, protection, or privacy apparently :doh
Been known to bring down governments.
 
Speaking strictly in terms of laws being broken, the leaker would be responsible for both breaking into iCloud and for any legal privacy violations.

However, the logical trail of responsibility is longer, in order of precedence:
1. The leaker is foremost responsible for the leak
2. Apple is responsible for allowing the security breach
3. Lawrence is responsible for putting pictures on the internet of a sensitive nature
4. Lawrence is responsible for having the pictures taken

That being said, #4 is pretty inconsequential. I'm certainly not suggesting she shouldn't have had the pictures taken, but obviously they couldn't have been leaked if they'd never been taken... so in a logical paper trail, it must be mentioned for completeness sake.

#3 is what I'd scold her over. As I would scold anyone who puts anything on the internet they consider to be private. Even if Apple (or whatever other company) ensures your privacy, you shouldn't trust them. Obviously they can't guarantee with absolute certainty that what they store will remain private. No internet company can. If their machines are on the net, the possibility exists that hackers can make it through. Or the tl;dr version: assume anything you upload or post will be seen by the world. Never trust the middlemen. This is also true when talking on the phone and texting.

Assuming she was aware that her photos were being stored by Apple (its not clear to me that she did) I'd tend to agree though I also believe companies who offer storage on their servers have a responsibility to insure the security of your data to the point where there should be legal liability if they don't.

That said the worst you can say is she was careless. That in no way excuses the theft - not suggesting you're saying that but the point needs to be made.
 
Assuming she was aware that her photos were being stored by Apple I'd tend to agree though I also believe companies who offer storage on their servers have a responsibility to insure the security of your data to the point where there should be legal liability if they don't

Then they would never store anything, imo.

Info is almost always hackable eventually. And a company could face genormous lawsuits if it assumed legal responsibility for the safe storage of all the millions/billions of pics/vids they could theoretically store.


The solution is simple - never put sensitive photos/videos in the Cloud.
 
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