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Question about obama, the general and the thug

Well is it true

  • Yes and its offense

    Votes: 3 14.3%

  • Yes and I don't care

    Votes: 2 9.5%

  • No its right wing media hype

    Votes: 15 71.4%

  • No and if it were true it'd be ok with me.

    Votes: 1 4.8%
  • Total voters
    21
APACHERAT said:
The Washington Post helped put Obama in the White House and they have no choice but to protect their boy in the White House hoping maybe Obama might actually get something right.
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The Washington Post in a great and very successful paper both in print and online. How could it possibly get away with blatantly lying about the presence of certain individuals at a high ranking generals funeral?
 
falcata said:
The Washington Post in a great and very successful paper both in print and online. How could it possibly get away with blatantly lying about the presence of certain individuals at a high ranking generals funeral?
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The OP is about that Obama as CnC didn't attend the funeral and that those who were present were already expected to attend the funeral. Nobody from Obama's White House staff was present.

But Obama had no problem sending three members of the White House staff to the funeral of someone who was caught on tape committing a felony, a strong arm robbery.

Chuck Hagel, members of the Obama Executive Cabinet are not part of the White House staff.

Nobody expected Obama to attend Generals Green's funeral or did anyone expect Obama to send members of the White House staff in his place representing him. Those who were present at Gen. Green's funeral were expected to have attended. Not sure if Gen. Austin attended or not, he was third in the chain of command.

And for Snopes, they have just about as much credibility as Wikipedia. :lamo
 
SNOPES IS RUN BY A MAN AND A WOMAN WITH NO BACKGROUND IN INVESTIGATION USING GOOGLE.

>" Snopes.com has been considered the 'tell-all final word' on any comment, claim and email. Once negative article by them and people point and say, "See, I told you it wasn't true!" But what is Snopes? What are their methods and training that gives them the authority to decide what is true and what is not? For several years people have tried to find out who exactly was behind the website Snopes.com. Only recently did they get to the bottom of it. Are you ready for this? It is run by a husband and wife team - that's right, no big office of investigators scouring public records in Washington, no researchers studying historical stacks in libraries, no team of lawyers reaching a consensus on current caselaw. No, Snopes.com is just a mom-and-pop operation that was started by two people who have absolutely no formal background or experience in investigative research.

David and Barbara Mikkelson pictured above; are from San Fernando Valley of California. They started their website 'Snopes' about 13 years ago. After a few years it began gaining popularity as people believed it to be unbiased and neutral. But over the past couple of years people started asking questions when 'Snopes' was proven wrong in a number of their conclusions. There were also criticisms the Mikkelsons were not really investigating and getting to the 'true' bottom of various issues, but rather asserting their beliefs in controversial issues..."<

continue -> Accuracy In Politics: Snopes Got Snoped
 
You dislike it when "white" people call a thug a thug? Ask me if I care. And thug is not a racist term - only you make it a racist term. There are thugs of all races its a characteristic of one that imposes anti social and criminal actions upon others. Not a "black, Mexican, or white" thing at all - you can cry racism all you want that is what radical leftist like you hiding behind "moderate" tags do all day around here.

Objective Voice said:
I so dislike it when (White) people use the word "thug" to characterize a Black male. It's like you "I can't use the word 'Nigga', so I'll call him a 'thug' instead and stand behind the use of that word because of the unacceptable social behavior he exhibited".

I could get past this if White people would call a White kid a thug when such a person conducts himself in much the same way as the thug-label is clearly attributed to Black teen/adult males, but the use of this word is so one-sided. You can't tell me it's "the conduct of the person's character" that gives authority to using this label only against Blacks.

As to the poll question, SecDef Gen. Chuck Hagel did attend Gen. Harold Green's funeral.
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APACHERAT said:
If Snopes says it's false, it has to be false.

We all know a housewife who's not even an American citizen knows more about the difference between the White House and the Pentagon.

This was Snopes sources, all from the internet. One has to wonder if West Hills, Ca. even has phone service ?

ibbons-Neff, Thomas. "U.S. General Killed in Afghanistan Was Key Figure in Training Effort."
The Washington Post. 5 August 2014.
Lamothe, Dan. "New Details Emerge About Death of Maj. Gen. Harold Greene."
The Washington Post. 6 August 2014.
Lin, C.J. "Maj. Gen. Harold Greene Receives Full Burial Honors at Arlington."
Stars and Stripes. 14 August 2014.
Siner, Emily. "U.S. Flags Lowered for Mandela, A Rare Honor for Foreign Leaders."
NPR. 6 December 2013.
York, Byron. "Twitter, Obama and the Gen. Harold Greene Funeral Hoax."
Washington Examiner. 18 August 2014.
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I know for a fact they don't. It was taken away when the residents were shown to be greedy by demanding the name change from Canoga Park to West Hills just to raise their property values.

Across Victory Blvd in Woodland Hills, they do have phone service.
 
I want to know if the White House sent three representatives from the White House expecially for the funeral or where they already there with Holder.

If they were already there it would have been seen as rude, at least, to not go to the funeral.

I would think that after 6 years in office Obama would have learned to stay out of local matters and only worry about matters of national consequence, but he hasn't.

This President definitely has a blind spot where race is concerned.
 
DaveFagan said:
I'm sure the General was a nice man. His death is a flagrant failure of the "Training" program he was in charge of . Does that make his death his own fault? I don't know.
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So if you befriend someone, then down the road they kill you. Is your death your fault?
 
APACHERAT said:
SNOPES IS RUN BY A MAN AND A WOMAN WITH NO BACKGROUND IN INVESTIGATION USING GOOGLE.

>" Snopes.com has been considered the 'tell-all final word' on any comment, claim and email. Once negative article by them and people point and say, "See, I told you it wasn't true!" But what is Snopes? What are their methods and training that gives them the authority to decide what is true and what is not? For several years people have tried to find out who exactly was behind the website Snopes.com. Only recently did they get to the bottom of it. Are you ready for this? It is run by a husband and wife team - that's right, no big office of investigators scouring public records in Washington, no researchers studying historical stacks in libraries, no team of lawyers reaching a consensus on current caselaw. No, Snopes.com is just a mom-and-pop operation that was started by two people who have absolutely no formal background or experience in investigative research.

David and Barbara Mikkelson pictured above; are from San Fernando Valley of California. They started their website 'Snopes' about 13 years ago. After a few years it began gaining popularity as people believed it to be unbiased and neutral. But over the past couple of years people started asking questions when 'Snopes' was proven wrong in a number of their conclusions. There were also criticisms the Mikkelsons were not really investigating and getting to the 'true' bottom of various issues, but rather asserting their beliefs in controversial issues..."<

continue -> Accuracy In Politics: Snopes Got Snoped
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I am certainly not saying Snopes is 100% factual, but they are at least as credible as the site you are using to discredit them. I am not aware of anything definitive showing Snopes to be misrepresenting themselves or trying to force political beliefs on people. I am sure like anything else, there is the possibility of them being incorrect on something but that article is just some writer being an ass from how i read it.
 
CRUE CAB said:
So if you befriend someone, then down the road they kill you. Is your death your fault?
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That would be a judgement call, don't you think?
 
Kreton said:
I am certainly not saying Snopes is 100% factual, but they are at least as credible as the site you are using to discredit them. I am not aware of anything definitive showing Snopes to be misrepresenting themselves or trying to force political beliefs on people. I am sure like anything else, there is the possibility of them being incorrect on something but that article is just some writer being an ass from how i read it.
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Hey Kreton.

Yesterday I actually e-mailed Snopes telling them they got it wrong. They actually contacted me in less than an hour standing by their claim that Chuck Hagel is part of the Obama White House staff.

Neither of the Mikkelsons have any knowledge how the military change of command works and who are staff and who are not. All of their research is done on the internet, usaully by googling. Basically they have no knowledge how to research.

For example you have an Army infantry division commanded by a Maj. General who has a staff. An Executive Officer, and Adjutant and a administrative officer S-1 , intelligence officer S-2, operation officer S-3, supply officer S-4, training officer and a communication officer. That's the Generals staff. Lets call the Maj. General Maj. Gen. Obama.

Next down the chain of command is the Regimental commander of a regiment who's commanded by a Colonel who happens to have his own staff comparable to the division commanders staff. That regimental commander is not a member of the Maj. Generals staff. Lets call the regimental commander Col. Chuck Hagel.

Snopes got snoped. They got it wrong, there were no members of the Obama White House staff present at General Green's funeral but there were three members of the Obama White House staff present at Brown's funeral.

Valleri Jarrett and Susan Rice are members of the White House staff, not Chuck Hagel.
 
APACHERAT said:
Hey Kreton.

Yesterday I actually e-mailed Snopes telling them they got it wrong. They actually contacted me in less than an hour standing by their claim that Chuck Hagel is part of the Obama White House staff.

Neither of the Mikkelsons have any knowledge how the military change of command works and who are staff and who are not. All of their research is done on the internet, usaully by googling. Basically they have no knowledge how to research.

For example you have an Army infantry division commanded by a Maj. General who has a staff. An Executive Officer, and Adjutant and a administrative officer S-1 , intelligence officer S-2, operation officer S-3, supply officer S-4, training officer and a communication officer. That's the Generals staff. Lets call the Maj. General Maj. Gen. Obama.

Next down the chain of command is the Regimental commander of a regiment who's commanded by a Colonel who happens to have his own staff comparable to the division commanders staff. That regimental commander is not a member of the Maj. Generals staff. Lets call the regimental commander Col. Chuck Hagel.

Snopes got snoped. They got it wrong, there were no members of the Obama White House staff present at General Green's funeral but there were three members of the Obama White House staff present at Brown's funeral.

Valleri Jarrett and Susan Rice are members of the White House staff, not Chuck Hagel.
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I think we should use the definition of White House Staff as somebody who works with Obama at the White House.

Does Hagel fit that description? I don't think so.

Did the three people sent to the Brown funeral fit that description?
 
Mason66 said:
I think we should use the definition of White House Staff as somebody who works with Obama at the White House.

Does Hagel fit that description? I don't think so.

Did the three people sent to the Brown funeral fit that description?
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Yes. I, for one, am outraged that Obama didnt send a few low level White House functionaries to the funeral (of course, they may have been there - it probably wasnt reported though), and instead sent a lowly Cabinet member.
 
Mason66 said:
I think we should use the definition of White House Staff as somebody who works with Obama at the White House.

Does Hagel fit that description? I don't think so.

Did the three people sent to the Brown funeral fit that description?
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Snopes believes that the Secretary of Defense must have an office in the White House.


But I digress, back to Browns funeral and who did Obama send to represent him.

Excerpts:

>" EDGARTOWN, Mass. • President Barack Obama is sending three White House aides to the funeral of Michael Brown,...">

>" Leading the White House group for Monday's service will be the chairman of the My Brother's Keeper Task Force, Broderick Johnson. My Brother's Keeper is an Obama initiative that aims to empower young minorities.

Also attending will be the deputy director of the White House Office of Public Engagement, Marlon Marshall, and an adviser for the office, Heather Foster..."<

White House aides to attend Michael Brown funeral : News
 
APACHERAT said:
Someone needs to brush up on the military chain of command and what the responsibilities are of each person who's in that chain of command.

Are you aware that the Joint Chiefs of Staff are no longer part of the U.S. military chain of command ? They haven't been since the passage of the Goldwater-Nichols Act in 1986.

There were only three individuals with in the chain of command before you got to Gen. Harold Green. The CnC Obama, Chuck Hagel and then Gen Mattis. Oh wait a second, that's right, Obama fired/purged Gen. Mattis and replaced him with Gen. Austin I believe, a damn good yes man.

So exactly where was Obama when Gen. Green was buried ? Playing golf ?
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Right! And since the person who died was a high-ranking member of our Armed Services AND the Secretary of Defense IS a White House official, i.e., a member of the President's Cabinet, it makes perfect sense to have the Secretary of Defense attend the funeral.

APACHERAT said:
Snopes believes that the Secretary of Defense must have an office in the White House.


But I digress, back to Browns funeral and who did Obama send to represent him.

Excerpts:

>" EDGARTOWN, Mass. • President Barack Obama is sending three White House aides to the funeral of Michael Brown,...">

>" Leading the White House group for Monday's service will be the chairman of the My Brother's Keeper Task Force, Broderick Johnson. My Brother's Keeper is an Obama initiative that aims to empower young minorities.

Also attending will be the deputy director of the White House Office of Public Engagement, Marlon Marshall, and an adviser for the office, Heather Foster..."<

White House aides to attend Michael Brown funeral : News
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And it was very fitting for each of those individuals to attend Michael Brown's funeral or did you miss the parts about "civil unrest, cultural diversity and community development" all being a part of the problem as to why the city of Ferguson, MO fell into social disorder?
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