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Does ISIS have a place in the 21st century?

Does ISIS have a place in the 21st century?

  • Im a right leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 1 5.9%

  • Im a left leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Im not American, yes.

    Votes: 1 5.9%

  • Im a right leaning American, no-send back em to the stone age.

    Votes: 5 29.4%

  • Im a left leaning American, no-send back em to the stone age.

    Votes: 4 23.5%

  • Im not American, no-send back em to the stone age.

    Votes: 1 5.9%

  • Im an American neither right nor left, yes.

    Votes: 1 5.9%

  • Im an American neither right nor left, no-send back em to the stone age.

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • Total voters
    17
US Conservative said:
I understand your hesitancy but how is this really like Iraq? There has been no recent 9/11, we already had Iraq and could have gone back in. Assad isn't going anywhere, so its not to boot him.

All thats changed is Obama left a playground for the terrorists and now has to clean it up. And agreed-in no case is there a good track record.
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So, the guy that left the mess is entrusted with cleaning it up?


All of that, no 911 etc. are all reasons to stay out. This is not about terrorism, but terrorist images are being used to "sell" the war.
 
Fearandloathing said:
So, the guy that left the mess is entrusted with cleaning it up?


All of that, no 911 etc. are all reasons to stay out. This is not about terrorism, but terrorist images are being used to "sell" the war.
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The guy who needs to clean it up is POTUS. We did this, we need to clean it up.
 
Their place is on or under the ground, room temperature.
 
Fearandloathing said:
You can guarantee it WILL get cleaned up?

And what does "cleaned up" look like? No military factions in Iraq?
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No guarantees ever, welcome to the world. Cleaned up means no terrorist state, and no people who behead children and commit genocide against entire kurdish groups as a start.

Think more like Iraq before Obama lost the peace.
 
US Conservative said:
Dont fall into the trap of forming an opinion based on those photos. We know who they are and what they do.

This is entirely irrelevant from the coming elections, though I think that will tend to favor republicans.

No wag the dog here, they are worse than AQ in that they are more violent, more fundamentalist, more diffuse, and have greater funding. And they are in Iraq because the US isn't.
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No wag the dog? Are you serious?

A group of 7-10,000 whackos with little artillery and ZERO air power and you are clearly terrified of them...despite the fact that America could wipe them out without setting one 'boot' on the ground if she wanted to.

They clearly want to provoke the U.S. and guess what, they have.

They are a gnat compared to America and look at all the threads here alone going on and on about how afraid you all are of them.

That is THE definition of wagging the dog.

'tail wagging the dog

(idiomatic) A minor or secondary part of something controlling the whole.'

tail wagging the dog - Wiktionary
 
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DA60 said:
No wag the dog? Are you serious?

A group of 7-10,000 whackos with little artillery and ZERO air power and you are clearly terrified of them...despite the fact that America could wipe them out without setting one 'boot' on the ground if she wanted to.

They clearly want to provoke the U.S. and guess what, they have.

They are a gnat compared to America and look at all the threads here alone going on and on about how afraid you all are of them.

That is THE definition of wagging the dog.

'tail wagging the dog

(idiomatic) A minor or secondary part of something controlling the whole.'

tail wagging the dog - Wiktionary


Man, the government/media says boo and you jump.
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Im not terrified, frankly it took much less to carry out 9/11. I say we send them to allah, like they wish.
 
US Conservative said:
Think more like Iraq before Obama lost the peace.
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Since when did the POTUS control Iraq?

You have this asinine notions of how much power the Executive office actually has.

And given the violence rates between 2003-2011, it was actually better under Obama than it was under Bush.

You really are here just to blame everything you possibly can, even if it requires you to engage in massive lies, on Democrats eh?
 
US Conservative said:
I have no doubt about what they could accomplish-but Marxism, Naziism, and even historic caliphates are simply oranges to this apple.

Now, certainly in the west ISIS has no place, I dont know what the islamic world thinks (i'd like to see a poll on that, actually) but this is evil incarnate, and needs to be destroyed.
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To be fair, I'm not saying that ISIS should have a place in the modern world.

I'm just saying that it's not beyond the realm of possibility to suggest that they might very be successful if no one stops them.

The world has suffered worse.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Once again, your word, no links.
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Been living under a rock lately?

Iraq confirms IS killed 500 Yazidis | Al Jazeera America

Syria: ISIS Summarily Killed Civilians | Human Rights Watch

And, if true how is that worse than AL Qaeda still operating in Afghanistan?
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More radical (according to Al Qaeda themselves), better funded, armed and with now a much better chance at overthrowing and taking an entire country for themselves.

How is this terror now more important than the Russian terror camped on Ukraine's border? You think Russians don't bayonet babies?
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Ukraine is winning their war. Russia still has much to gain from at least appearing to be a reasonable actor, and no, no recent Russian aggression positively pales in comparison to what these guys have managed in the past few weeks alone.

And isn't the"War on Terror" the slaughtering of religious and ethnic minorities?
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:roll:

Please supply something other than rhetoric and Official White House Policy as reason for another war in Iraq, especially after the last one where the world was assured by General Powell that Iraq was awash with WMD's and about to nuke everyone
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Another terrorist state in the Middle East? Bad. A terrorist state whose explicit goals include a caliphate and the elimination of religious and ethnic minorities in the region, and eventually attacks against Western interests and cities? Much worse. It shouldn't and likely won't be the US's fight alone, but it's certainly a cause worth fighting against.
 
joG said:
They have been noticed and obviously have a place in this century. This is true even, if they have to be eliminated.
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I am fairly confident that you are not that obtuse to the intent of the OP.
 
Nope, but then again, no religion has a place in the modern world. All of them need to grow up and go away.
 
a351 said:
Been living under a rock lately?

Iraq confirms IS killed 500 Yazidis | Al Jazeera America

Syria: ISIS Summarily Killed Civilians | Human Rights Watch



More radical (according to Al Qaeda themselves), better funded, armed and with now a much better chance at overthrowing and taking an entire country for themselves.



Ukraine is winning their war. Russia still has much to gain from at least appearing to be a reasonable actor, and no, no recent Russian aggression positively pales in comparison to what these guys have managed in the past few weeks alone.



:roll:



Another terrorist state in the Middle East? Bad. A terrorist state whose explicit goals include a caliphate and the elimination of religious and ethnic minorities in the region, and eventually attacks against Western interests and cities? Much worse. It shouldn't and likely won't be the US's fight alone, but it's certainly a cause worth fighting against.
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Still not one single link.
 
a351 said:
Slaughtering religious and ethnic minorities, children and non-combatants en masse?
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Apparently that's not enough for Fearandloathing.
 
ISIS has no place in the 21st century. The group needs to be eliminated before it can cause more chaos and suffering.
 
Fearandloathing said:
never mind, I guess saying something stands as fact in your world.
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Well, there were multiple links in the post you responded to, both of which you happened to miss. Which part did you take issue with?
 
This thread could generate better debates if it were not to appeal to emotions with such photos.
 
US Conservative said:
Obama referred to ISIS as a cancer. Does ISIS have a place in the 21st century?

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I don't really think they have a place in any century, but I suppose they would fit in best in this one or the last one.
 
US Conservative said:
Obama referred to ISIS as a cancer.
Does ISIS have a place in the 21st century
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We are living in the 21st century right now and ISIS exists.

That's a fact.



It may not exist in the future but right now ISIS is a very unpleasant fact for a lot of people.
 
No, they do not have a place. The same can be said of Netanyahu, who helps give these people ways to recruit people to their cause.
 
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