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Date rate prevention nail polish

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Students develop nail polish to detect date-rape drugs - The Washington Post

To me, this seems like a great idea. It is a tool that can help women defend themselves against perverts who intend to use these kinds of drugs.

Others see it differently.
“Well-intentioned products like anti-rape nail polish can actually end up fueling victim blaming,” wrote Tara Culp-Ressler of Think Progress. “Any college students who don’t use the special polish could open themselves up to criticism for failing to do everything in their power to prevent rape.”
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Why would we want to prevent people from rating dates?


Oh...wait a minute.....date RAPE prevention. Yeah, that's probably a good thing.
 
I found it interesting that 4 guys created it. I don't know how many women would actually do that, but it's brilliant.
 
herenow1 said:
I found it interesting that 4 guys created it. I don't know how many women would actually do that, but it's brilliant.
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What's funny is the only person I actually personally know who has been slipped date rape drugs in their drink is a guy. When we were in Singapore, a friend of mine had some older Englishman slip something into his drink at the bar. He had to be taken almost immediately back to the ship and to medical, where they tested him for drugs and found one of these drugs in his system (not sure which, its been a while).
 
roguenuke said:
What's funny is the only person I actually personally know who has been slipped date rape drugs in their drink is a guy. When we were in Singapore, a friend of mine had some older Englishman slip something into his drink at the bar. He had to be taken almost immediately back to the ship and to medical, where they tested him for drugs and found one of these drugs in his system (not sure which, its been a while).
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My nephew got slipped something in Australia, got robbed and beaten severely.

Nasty stuff.
 
This is why you don't accept alcohol from strangers and why you never lose sight of your drink.

Srsly, this is like, basic stuff. Whenever I left a glass on a table for a prolonged time, even in company I knew (unless like, long-time pals), I had made a judgement to abandon that drink. Pretend like it's not mine. I "abandoned" countless drinks this way. This is srsly basic stuff.

Anyway, good invention. I hope it serves a lot of girls well and I hope that it leads to getting a lot of people who use date-rape drugs caught. It is a felony, right?
 
Great. Now I can tell when one of my asshole friends is planning on harvesting my other kidney, but I have to be a cross-dresser to use it. At least I won't be changing my usual attire!
 
Jesse Booth said:
Great. Now I can tell when one of my asshole friends is planning on harvesting my other kidney, but I have to be a cross-dresser to use it. At least I won't be changing my usual attire!
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Not if you go to the right bar
 
Women are already expected to work hard to prevent themselves from becoming the victims of sexual assault. They’re told to avoid wearing revealing clothing, travel in groups, make sure they don’t get too drunk, and always keep a close eye on their drink. Now, remembering to put on anti-rape nail polish and discreetly slip a finger into each drink might be added to that ever-growing checklist — something that actually reinforces a pervasive rape culture in our society.
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That way, rape isn’t just controlling me while I’m actually being assaulted — it controls me 24/7 because it limits my behavior. Solutions like these actually just recreate that. I don’t want to ****ing test my drink when I’m at the bar. That’s not the world I want to live in.”
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But I really wish that people were funneling all of this ingenuity and funding and interest into new ways to stop people from perpetrating violence, as opposed to trying to personally avoid it so that the predator in the bar rapes someone else.”
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So some inginuitive scientifically gifted people figure out this useful means of dealing with the REALITY of the world we live in, and that's a bad thing because it "promotes rape culture" and because they spent their time doing this instead of finding a way to "stop people from perpetrating violence" (I guess through some sort of mind control, since these were science students and not sociologists?).

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Kreton said:
Students develop nail polish to detect date-rape drugs - The Washington Post

To me, this seems like a great idea. It is a tool that can help women defend themselves against perverts who intend to use these kinds of drugs.

Others see it differently.
“Well-intentioned products like anti-rape nail polish can actually end up fueling victim blaming,” wrote Tara Culp-Ressler of Think Progress. “Any college students who don’t use the special polish could open themselves up to criticism for failing to do everything in their power to prevent rape.
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Talk about doom and gloom. This lady is bat **** crazy.
 
beefheart said:
My nephew got slipped something in Australia, got robbed and beaten severely.

Nasty stuff.
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I just realized how that might be taken, but I didn't really mean that as "funny, ha ha", more as in it certainly happens to women more, particularly to rape plus the nail polish really wouldn't work for most men.

Just wanted to clear that up (not necessarily to you, but..)
 
roguenuke said:
I just realized how that might be taken, but I didn't really mean that as "funny, ha ha", more as in it certainly happens to women more, particularly to rape plus the nail polish really wouldn't work for most men.

Just wanted to clear that up (not necessarily to you, but..)
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No, he was doing a semester overseas in college. Robbers figured he had money, so that is how they got it.
 
"RAPE CULTURE" because "War On Women'" isn't raising money anymore.
 
Zyphlin said:
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So some inginuitive scientifically gifted people figure out this useful means of dealing with the REALITY of the world we live in, and that's a bad thing because it "promotes rape culture" and because they spent their time doing this instead of finding a way to "stop people from perpetrating violence" (I guess through some sort of mind control, since these were science students and not sociologists?).

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It's the continued debate as to whether or not prevention techniques for the potential victim reinforce the power structure for perpetrators. Abstractly, yes, it does give some amount of reinforcement for criminality (in this case, an attack on a woman). Nevertheless, that does not somehow mean that on an individual basis, engaging in certain protections won't be useful for possible victims. It just might.

That's often why I feel that persons are overly "wowed" by abstraction. It is certainly good and useful to be aware of how power works, but that does not inherently mean that to have this abstract awareness means one should automatically reject anything which may constitute as a reinforcement of said power structure, because at the end of the day, you are in a situation which probably will not change through a public's "increased awareness."

But, and here's some amount of insight:
"Any college students who don’t use the special polish could open themselves up to criticism for failing to do everything in their power to prevent rape.”
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. If the prevention method becomes expectation rather than a fortunate preventative measure, does this place more emphasis on what the victim should do to prevent criminality than promote unequivocal denunciation of criminal behavior?
 
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beefheart said:
No, he was doing a semester overseas in college. Robbers figured he had money, so that is how they got it.
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Oh, I understand. I meant how my comment earlier might be taken.

I realize that "date rape drugs" aren't always used for that intention.
 
You know, what's kind of messed up about this is that I can see both sides of it.

We have many things designed to protect people from certain kinds of infringements, not just rape. And for the most part, no one blames the victim if they get robbed and they don't have a taser, or whatever. None of us are perfect all the time, not everyone knows what their options are, and at the end of the day, it's the criminal's fault, not yours. And we know that. We don't have this stuff to pretend it's not the criminal's fault. We have this stuff because the world is imperfect.

But people really do blame rape survivors for what they did or didn't do during their assault. We do.

If they were out after 10, if they wore a skirt, if they had even one drink -- whatever -- we blame them as a culture for being raped. Some of the more disgusting people even trying to guilt them for "ruining" their rapists lives if they press charges.

But I'd much rather have this nail polish than some of the "rape undies" I've seen lately -- glorified chastity belts. The message that sends just makes me want to cry. I actually really like the idea of a sly and intelligent way to outsmart dosers.

But let's not pretend there isn't a real issue of rape culture here, and that are our culture might not blame a woman for not having this nail polish on her, or whatever, because it HAS and it DOES.

So what are we going to do about that?

roguenuke said:
What's funny is the only person I actually personally know who has been slipped date rape drugs in their drink is a guy. When we were in Singapore, a friend of mine had some older Englishman slip something into his drink at the bar. He had to be taken almost immediately back to the ship and to medical, where they tested him for drugs and found one of these drugs in his system (not sure which, its been a while).
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This actually just happened to me as well a couple weeks ago (well, around me).

My next door neighbor got slipped something while he was out with his girlfriend. I think the dickhead was aiming for her and got him, or maybe both of them so he could rob him and do... whatever... to her.

Because he's a horse of a man, he was able to kind of stumble around for a few hours, but he has no idea what happened. Lost his keys, his phone, his wallet, and didn't know where his girlfriend was. Showed up at the complex at 3 in the morning and rang my doorbell in desperation. He was really freaked out.

I don't know if the drugger got her too or what, but he did eventually find her. I let him know I was around if he needed anything, but I don't know what happened after that. Scary as hell.

Sometimes guys get hit by accident, sometimes on purpose for the purposes of mugging or just torture, but it certainly happens.

Like others here, I never leave my drink. If I MUST leave it out of sight, it goes behind the counter, unless I'm out with one of about 3 people I trust to pay attention to it. Otherwise it gets ditched.

I've just dragged too many incapacitated people out of bars, men and women both.
 
Rainman05 said:
This is why you don't accept alcohol from strangers and why you never lose sight of your drink.

Srsly, this is like, basic stuff. Whenever I left a glass on a table for a prolonged time, even in company I knew (unless like, long-time pals), I had made a judgement to abandon that drink. Pretend like it's not mine. I "abandoned" countless drinks this way. This is srsly basic stuff.

Anyway, good invention. I hope it serves a lot of girls well and I hope that it leads to getting a lot of people who use date-rape drugs caught. It is a felony, right?
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You don't have to leave the table to slip it in a drink. Anyone could slip it in when someone turns their head or starts talking to so someone,or looks down while digging through your purse. Hopefully nobody makes a nail polish where it turns to a roofie when you stir it, lol.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
You know, what's kind of messed up about this is that I can see both sides of it.

We have many things designed to protect people from certain kinds of infringements, not just rape. And for the most part, no one blames the victim if they get robbed and they don't have a taser, or whatever. None of us are perfect all the time, not everyone knows what their options are, and at the end of the day, it's the criminal's fault, not yours. And we know that. We don't have this stuff to pretend it's not the criminal's fault. We have this stuff because the world is imperfect.

But people really do blame rape survivors for what they did or didn't do during their assault. We do.

If they were out after 10, if they wore a skirt, if they had even one drink -- whatever -- we blame them as a culture for being raped. Some of the more disgusting people even trying to guilt them for "ruining" their rapists lives if they press charges.

But I'd much rather have this nail polish than some of the "rape undies" I've seen lately -- glorified chastity belts. The message that sends just makes me want to cry. I actually really like the idea of a sly and intelligent way to outsmart dosers.

But let's not pretend there isn't a real issue of rape culture here, and that are our culture might not blame a woman for not having this nail polish on her, or whatever, because it HAS and it DOES.

So what are we going to do about that?



This actually just happened to me as well a couple weeks ago (well, around me).

My next door neighbor got slipped something while he was out with his girlfriend. I think the dickhead was aiming for her and got him, or maybe both of them so he could rob him and do... whatever... to her.

Because he's a horse of a man, he was able to kind of stumble around for a few hours, but he has no idea what happened. Lost his keys, his phone, his wallet, and didn't know where his girlfriend was. Showed up at the complex at 3 in the morning and rang my doorbell in desperation. He was really freaked out.

I don't know if the drugger got her too or what, but he did eventually find her. I let him know I was around if he needed anything, but I don't know what happened after that. Scary as hell.

Sometimes guys get hit by accident, sometimes on purpose for the purposes of mugging or just torture, but it certainly happens.

Like others here, I never leave my drink. If I MUST leave it out of sight, it goes behind the counter, unless I'm out with one of about 3 people I trust to pay attention to it. Otherwise it gets ditched.

I've just dragged too many incapacitated people out of bars, men and women both.
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We can actually get in trouble if we pop on a drug test for a date rape drug without having reported like my friend did. It really is a bad policy I believe. It means that someone might have avoided being raped or robbed or whatever just to get kicked out of the military because they didn't realize they had been drugged rather than just tipsy or drunk.

I've always thrown away my drinks if I leave it alone without someone I trust watching it. I don't have to worry about it much anymore, since I always go out with people I trust. I used to go out alone though before I met my husband, while living in Hawaii. I definitely didn't drink anything I left then. I almost always just took my drinks with me or simply figured it wasn't worth it. Probably one of the reasons I drank a lot of water and soda. Cheaper and I knew what I was supposed to feel like at the end of the night.
 
roguenuke said:
We can actually get in trouble if we pop on a drug test for a date rape drug without having reported like my friend did. It really is a bad policy I believe. It means that someone might have avoided being raped or robbed or whatever just to get kicked out of the military because they didn't realize they had been drugged rather than just tipsy or drunk.

I've always thrown away my drinks if I leave it alone without someone I trust watching it. I don't have to worry about it much anymore, since I always go out with people I trust. I used to go out alone though before I met my husband, while living in Hawaii. I definitely didn't drink anything I left then. I almost always just took my drinks with me or simply figured it wasn't worth it. Probably one of the reasons I drank a lot of water and soda. Cheaper and I knew what I was supposed to feel like at the end of the night.
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Yeah, that's definitely a bad policy.

My neighbor wasn't sure what had happened. Like a lot of guys, he didn't expect to get dosed. But he only remembers having 2 drinks, and being almost 6 and a half feet tall, that's barely enough for a buzz, much less a 6-hour blackout. And he was out to relax, not at a party getting blitzed. He really had no clue what happened.

But he looked pretty straight to me and didn't really smell of alcohol at all. I came to the conclusion pretty fast, given the combination of lack of intoxication and that his girlfriend was missing and his valuables were gone but his clothes looked otherwise untouched. And he went white as a ghost once he realized that was the most likely explanation.

I've actually never been dosed. I got lucky for about a year, until I saw it enough times to get paranoid about it. Still makes my heart sink every time.
 
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